JESSEFEFFER Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 Don't think this video has been linked previously. He is definitely impressed by what Josh has shown. These clips mostly feature what Josh did when the protection broke down. Why-Josh-Allen-is-an-elite-athlete-at-QB 2 9 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 Discussing Allen's "athleticism" is code for "he's not a very good passer." Who the hell talks about Brady, Manning, Rodgers, or Brees in terms of "athleticism" ??? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JESSEFEFFER Posted January 15, 2019 Author Share Posted January 15, 2019 That's not his take. He is showing how that athleticism allowed him to beat defenses when the protection failed. How he made great throws from tough circumstances. But you do you. 15 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fr. Jerk Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 I'm glad my last name isn't Baldinger. Ball dinger... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 I love the "keeping Josh Allen in the pocket is like squeezing a hand full of jello" 36 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: Discussing Allen's "athleticism" is code for "he's not a very good passer." Who the hell talks about Brady, Manning, Rodgers, or Brees in terms of "athleticism" ??? Actually watch that clip or just checking stats there? He talked about how his "athleticism" made it capable for him to complete passes or not take sacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 34 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: Discussing Allen's "athleticism" is code for "he's not a very good passer." Who the hell talks about Brady, Manning, Rodgers, or Brees in terms of "athleticism" ??? Actually, Rogers’ athleticism is frequently talked about. The other three, while having elite pocket presence, don’t have a level of athleticism worth talking about. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyWhiteShows Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 39 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: Discussing Allen's "athleticism" is code for "he's not a very good passer." Who the hell talks about Brady, Manning, Rodgers, or Brees in terms of "athleticism" ??? Bills fans will always find the opposite of the a silver lining. This was actually a compliment to Allen 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 He is. You want to look at it as a back handed compliment sure. With the oline, running game and wrs I dont think there is a drop back qb who could have gone .500 with this team. His progress after his apparent. I'm firmly in the thinking of get him some help and he will carry this team to big heights. He carried the offense the last half of the season. Buffalo has not had a Qb who was able to do that with an once of a running game in my adult life. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 41 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: Discussing Allen's "athleticism" is code for "he's not a very good passer." Who the hell talks about Brady, Manning, Rodgers, or Brees in terms of "athleticism" ??? That's just not a true statement. And people never talked about Brady, Manning, or Brees' athleticism because they possess none (Brady, Manning) or very little (Brees). Commentators have been noting Rodgers's athleticism for a long time. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GRHater69 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 Discussing Allen's "athleticism" is code for "he's not a very good passer." Not at all....watch the video. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 2 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: Actually, Rogers’ athleticism is frequently talked about. The other three, while having elite pocket presence, don’t have a level of athleticism worth talking about. Factually true. He's not capable of putting up the rushing yards that Allen puts up, but people definitely talk about his athleticism. The important thing is to use that athleticism to buy time and find your targets as opposed to tucking and running. I'd be pretty discouraged if Allen was running for even 40 yards a game next season. Not a good long term approach. Ideally, you use that athleticism like Rodgers/Mahomes/Wilson more in the passing game than actually taking off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 3 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said: Factually true. He's not capable of putting up the rushing yards that Allen puts up, but people definitely talk about his athleticism. The important thing is to use that athleticism to buy time and find your targets as opposed to tucking and running. I'd be pretty discouraged if Allen was running for even 40 yards a game next season. Not a good long term approach. Ideally, you use that athleticism like Rodgers/Mahomes/Wilson more in the passing game than actually taking off. I don't disagree but they show how most of the receivers, other than Zay against Miami, run their routes and just look back. Buying time doesn't matter if your receivers don't move after they hit their mark. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 2 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said: Factually true. He's not capable of putting up the rushing yards that Allen puts up, but people definitely talk about his athleticism. The important thing is to use that athleticism to buy time and find your targets as opposed to tucking and running. I'd be pretty discouraged if Allen was running for even 40 yards a game next season. Not a good long term approach. Ideally, you use that athleticism like Rodgers/Mahomes/Wilson more in the passing game than actually taking off. Agreed, I don’t want Allen running the ball in the future like he did this year, and I would like to see him use that athleticism to find open targets. However, in his defense, a lot of his runs were the right decision (and he actually kept looking to throw as long as he could on many of those runs). He’ll get better with experience and receivers who actually understand how to adjust their routes to help out their QB when he is flushed from the pocket. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lieutenant Aldo Raine Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 10 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said: Factually true. He's not capable of putting up the rushing yards that Allen puts up, but people definitely talk about his athleticism. The important thing is to use that athleticism to buy time and find your targets as opposed to tucking and running. I'd be pretty discouraged if Allen was running for even 40 yards a game next season. Not a good long term approach. Ideally, you use that athleticism like Rodgers/Mahomes/Wilson more in the passing game than actually taking off. Why? As long as he continues to improve in the passing game - why would you want to take that ability away from him. If the defense is going to give up lanes where he can gain critical first downs and big chunks, take what the defense is giving you. We all agree we want him to become a more complete passer, but don't take that part of his game away. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 1 minute ago, billsfan1959 said: Agreed, I don’t want Allen running the ball in the future like he did this year, and I would like to see him use that athleticism to find open targets. However, in his defense, a lot of his runs were the right decision (and he actually kept looking to throw as long as he could on many of those runs). He’ll get better with experience and receivers who actually understand how to adjust their routes to help out their QB when he is flushed from the pocket. Also didn't take many hits, which is important. Russell Wilson almost never gets hit, which is why he's able to stay healthy despite putting up solid rushing numbers. I don't want Allen to stop running entirely because it's an asset. Just prefer to see it less. And the team obviously has to acquire better offensive talent so he has more viable options. We'll be able to more adequately assess his play once the overall talent is upgraded. 1 minute ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said: Why? As long as he continues to improve in the passing game - why would you want to take that ability away from him. If the defense is going to give up lanes where he can gain critical first downs and big chunks, take what the defense is giving you. We all agree we want him to become a more complete passer, but don't take that part of his game away. I don't want to take it away. Just prefer to see less of it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 7 minutes ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said: Why? As long as he continues to improve in the passing game - why would you want to take that ability away from him. If the defense is going to give up lanes where he can gain critical first downs and big chunks, take what the defense is giving you. We all agree we want him to become a more complete passer, but don't take that part of his game away. Don’t take it AWAY, but curtail it to a significant degree. I almost threw up a few times as he got bent backwards taking hits downfield. The guy must have Gumby knees! Be smart....QB first and foremost, run as the rare exception. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lieutenant Aldo Raine Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 1 minute ago, LSHMEAB said: I don't want to take it away. Just prefer to see less of it. I understand where you are coming from, but I think that is what makes him special. There will be games where he rushes for 10 yds and games where he rushes for close to 100. I don't have an issue as long as he does it when necessary and protects himself as best he can. Having a guy who can gain critical first downs or extend plays with his legs is a nice weapon to have. I think with better weapons and another year of tutelage will change the ratio in favor of using his arm more. I follow the Chargers too and while Rivers is a good passer, nothing more frustrating than seeing all the yards he leaves on the field or non-conversions because he is so immobile. Nice to develop a QB who can hopefully master both. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said: I understand where you are coming from, but I think that is what makes him special. There will be games where he rushes for 10 yds and games where he rushes for close to 100. I don't have an issue as long as he does it when necessary and protects himself as best he can. Having a guy who can gain critical first downs or extend plays with his legs is a nice weapon to have. I think with better weapons and another year of tutelage will change the ratio in favor of using his arm more. I follow the Chargers too and while Rivers is a good passer, nothing more frustrating than seeing all the yards he leaves on the field or non-conversions because he is so immobile. Nice to develop a QB who can hopefully master both. He's gonna have to continue to run without taking hits, which he does seems particularly good at. Very good slider(I think he had to have played baseball), gets out of bounds, etc. Carson Wentz started getting really run happy before his injury at Los Angeles. He's better than Wentz at avoiding contact, but in a perfect world, he finds an intermediate streaker as opposed to taking off. The receiving group as a whole will have to get better at "staying alive." Don't think we're that far apart here. Edited January 15, 2019 by LSHMEAB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 1 hour ago, Nextmanup said: Discussing Allen's "athleticism" is code for "he's not a very good passer." Who the hell talks about Brady, Manning, Rodgers, or Brees in terms of "athleticism" ??? They used to talk about Steve Young's and Jim Kelly's athleticism. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 I think for a long time he's going to be a guy that will punish you if you give him to much space and take easy 1st downs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swill Merchant Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 He may look like a meathead, but Baldinger is a smart guy who knows how to break down what he's watching. If he's impressed with Allen we should consider it encouraging. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Nextmanup said: Discussing Allen's "athleticism" is code for "he's not a very good passer." Who the hell talks about Brady, Manning, Rodgers, or Brees in terms of "athleticism" ??? Brees and Rodgers Athleticism was discussed plenty when they were younger and as for the other two, they would have to be athletic to discuss it. Youre probably one of those guys who ignores all the positives concerning Allen. There are plenty as a passer. Edited January 15, 2019 by formerlyofCtown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 1 hour ago, Nextmanup said: Discussing Allen's "athleticism" is code for "he's not a very good passer." Who the hell talks about Brady, Manning, Rodgers, or Brees in terms of "athleticism" ??? It's actually a code phrase for, "He made plays when his own teammates weren't doing much of anything to help out." Clips should offensive linemen not maintaining protection and wide receivers not demonstrating the awareness to come back to the ball when protection broke down. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, JESSEFEFFER said: Don't think this video has been linked previously. He is definitely impressed by what Josh has shown. These clips mostly feature what Josh did when the protection broke down. Why-Josh-Allen-is-an-elite-athlete-at-QB Thanks for providing the link! I found the video to be highly complimentary to Allen, especially his passing game. I suspect that as more of these guys take the time to actually watch the games Allen played in after his injury they will have similar conclusions as Baldy did - that this kid is a special talent on the verge of exploding onto the NFL scene. Edited January 15, 2019 by CincyBillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 22 minutes ago, Limeaid said: They used to talk about Steve Young's and Jim Kelly's athleticism. Jim Kelly and athleticism? Never heard those two words put together, but I wasn't really around for the 80's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 2 hours ago, Nextmanup said: Discussing Allen's "athleticism" is code for "he's not a very good passer." Who the hell talks about Brady, Manning, Rodgers, or Brees in terms of "athleticism" ?? People talk about Rodgers and his athleticism all the time. Because he is athletic. Brady, Manning, and Brees aren't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 46 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said: Jim Kelly and athleticism? Never heard those two words put together, but I wasn't really around for the 80's. That's because athleticism doesn't mean a persons ability to run. I feel like you are thinking that Allen being able to run is athleticism and it's only a part of it. Kelly would shake tackles and hang tough in the pocket looking downfield all while being hit by guys and still making a play. That's what they mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 1 hour ago, LSHMEAB said: Jim Kelly and athleticism? Never heard those two words put together, but I wasn't really around for the 80's. Jim Kelly was good enough to be recruited to play LB and LBU (Pittsburgh) but choose to go to University of Miami (North Cuba) because he wanted to play QB. He was not a running QB but could move well enough to dodge players until knee injuries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 3 hours ago, Nextmanup said: Discussing Allen's "athleticism" is code for "he's not a very good passer." Who the hell talks about Brady, Manning, Rodgers, or Brees in terms of "athleticism" ??? Congratulations, you just won First Prize for Making it Totally Obvious You Never Clicked on the Link. 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 Just now, Limeaid said: Jim Kelly was good enough to be recruited to play LB and LBU (Pittsburgh) but choose to go to University of Miami (North Cuba) because he wanted to play QB. He was not a running QB but could move well enough to dodge players until knee injuries. Yeah. I didn't really start watching NFL football until 89 and I never thought of him as even remotely athletic. I'm sure he was much more spry in his early years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 32 minutes ago, The Wiz said: That's because athleticism doesn't mean a persons ability to run. I feel like you are thinking that Allen being able to run is athleticism and it's only a part of it. Kelly would shake tackles and hang tough in the pocket looking downfield all while being hit by guys and still making a play. That's what they mean. And in fact one of Baldy's first examples is JA hanging tough in the pocket for a 45 yd pass play to Foster when he's about to get gob-smacked into a sandwich. Very reminiscent of Jim Kelly Tough. 45 minutes ago, MJS said: People talk about Rodgers and his athleticism all the time. Because he is athletic. Brady, Manning, and Brees aren't. Brady and Manning aren't/weren't. Brees....he doesn't tuck it and run much but he's one hella slippery little mutha to tackle. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmur66 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 Josh Allen is armed and dangerous 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 And unlike some QBs (Allen is like Kelly in that way) he did not curl up in a ball before contact. Plenty of times he would block for a RB or as part of reverse or some other trickery. He hated players who intercepted his balls as Anthony Phillips learned and would tackle as well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 33 minutes ago, The Wiz said: That's because athleticism doesn't mean a persons ability to run. I feel like you are thinking that Allen being able to run is athleticism and it's only a part of it. Kelly would shake tackles and hang tough in the pocket looking downfield all while being hit by guys and still making a play. That's what they mean. You're referring to strength, which is part of athleticism. Kind of like a Big Ben. It's also been said that Tom Brady is the most elusive QB in the NFL because he's so adept as sliding around perfectly in the pocket to find the right launch spot. I guess it depends on your definition of athleticism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: And in fact one of Baldy's first examples is JA hanging tough in the pocket for a 45 yd pass play to Foster when he's about to get gob-smacked into a sandwich. Very reminiscent of Jim Kelly Tough. Exactly. I haven't seen a QB in a long time try has hard as Kelly did to make a play. Granted he has made some bad ones but I'd rather have a guy trying to make a play rather than seeing no one is opened and laying down on the field. Just now, LSHMEAB said: You're referring to strength, which is part of athleticism. Kind of like a Big Ben. It's also been said that Tom Brady is the most elusive QB in the NFL because he's so adept as sliding around perfectly in the pocket to find the right launch spot. I guess it depends on your definition of athleticism. Brady never gets touched and if he does a flag is thrown. Him moving around in the pocket is elusiveness. When was the last time you saw him dive head first into a LB or shake off a tackle (a tackle that the tackler didn't give up on anyways). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 3 hours ago, Nextmanup said: Discussing Allen's "athleticism" is code for "he's not a very good passer." Who the hell talks about Brady, Manning, Rodgers, or Brees in terms of "athleticism" ??? Sure- you keep believing that. Josh has some work to do, but he has a cannon and with the right coaching etc we all may be pleasantly surprised. His last 6 games of the season were pretty damn good for a rook with no run game, brutal o line and the worst receiving corps in the NFL. I wont try and assess him fully until the end of year 3. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 18 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Congratulations, you just won First Prize for Making it Totally Obvious You Never Clicked on the Link. I just watched the video, and that just got funnier. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 All watching that did at first was piss me off as I watched play after play where Miller and Mills slowly evolved out of their stances, managed to get tangled up with each other blocking/holding the same guy while other pass rushers blew by them. Miller was horrifying, and at least Boettger when they finally made the switch seemed to lock onto his guy, moved his feet, and sometimes got some push which allowed Mills to focus solely on not getting beat on the outside every play. Against the Fins (I know - the run for the bus was on) they almost looked respectable in pass-pro. The kid grew over the season with the playing time he received, needs a bit more support around him to really shine and settle into his role but I think we have a keeper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Things Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 Good stuff! Thanks for posting this. Can't wait to see what next year brings. 6 hours ago, Nextmanup said: Discussing Allen's "athleticism" is code for "he's not a very good passer." Who the hell talks about Brady, Manning, Rodgers, or Brees in terms of "athleticism" ??? Gimme a break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 3 hours ago, LSHMEAB said: You're referring to strength, which is part of athleticism. Kind of like a Big Ben. It's also been said that Tom Brady is the most elusive QB in the NFL because he's so adept as sliding around perfectly in the pocket to find the right launch spot. I guess it depends on your definition of athleticism. Tom Brady usually has a pocket to slide around in...like a nice safe kiddy pool surrounded by the best o-line. Josh's pocket is more like getting a single coat of saran wrap then being dropped into a shark tank. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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