Reader Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 Hey all, I was thinking about the team and how much the draft is depended on. I thought about players in the 2nd round as many have been polarizing players and would be curious as to others' opinions of these players especially as some were great for a short amount of time, while others were consistently okay (some would argue better and some worse). You'll note that I am omitting players who I consider to be either busts (Hardy, Troup, etc) or home runs (Schobel, Woods, Glenn, etc). How would you rank the following players in terms of how good of players they are/were? Josh Reed Chris Kelsay Roscoe Parrish Jairus Byrd Aaron Williams Kiko Alonso (I'm not sure how he compares from a talent perspective. If I rank him guided by emotion he would be last) Roald Darby Reggie Ragland Zay Jones Dion Dawkins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 Josh Reed: Meh Chris Kelsay: hung around for a long time. Never a high impact guy, but decent career. Roscoe Parrish: Great punt returner. Never a high impact offensive player. Decent career. Jairus Byrd: Home run pick. Great player(with the Bills) Aaron Williams: Was developing into a solid safety. Unfortunate ending. Kiko Alonso: Very solid pick regardless of how you feel about him personally Ronald Darby: Excellent pick Reggie Ragland: Meh Zay Jones: Looks like a poor draft choice right now, but still has a chance to improve and contribute. Dion Dawkins: Looks like a solid pick. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reader Posted January 10, 2019 Author Share Posted January 10, 2019 1 minute ago, LSHMEAB said: Josh Reed: Meh Chris Kelsay: hung around for a long time. Never a high impact guy, but decent career. Roscoe Parrish: Great punt returner. Never a high impact offensive player. Decent career. Jairus Byrd: Home run pick. Great player(with the Bills) Aaron Williams: Was developing into a solid safety. Unfortunate ending. Kiko Alonso: Very solid pick regardless of how you feel about him personally Ronald Darby: Excellent pick Reggie Ragland: Meh Zay Jones: Looks like a poor draft choice right now, but still has a chance to improve and contribute. Dion Dawkins: Looks like a solid pick. I think Byrd is most interesting to me, as for his rookie contract he was by far the best, but then got injured and never seemed to recover. I'm curious if a 4 year great player is better than a 10 year okay player like Kelsay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianb386 Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 Ragland would definitely be last as he did absolutely nothing for us and was traded for a 4th after being drafted in the second. I want to say Aaron Williams is #1 on that list but there is serious consideration for Byrd who had some good years for us before his less than awesome final year and departure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 Just now, Reader said: I think Byrd is most interesting to me, as for his rookie contract he was by far the best, but then got injured and never seemed to recover. I'm curious if a 4 year great player is better than a 10 year okay player like Kelsay. I would say the Bills got more out of Byrd's 4 years than they did out of Kelsay's 10. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reader Posted January 10, 2019 Author Share Posted January 10, 2019 Jairus Byrd was a Probowl player Dion Dawkins almost immediate started Chris Kelsay seemed always good enough to start Roald Darby same as Kelsey Kiko Alonso I mean, he is starting.... Reggie Ragland -???? Aaron Williams All four of these guys needed some time or change of positioning to be successful and even then were decent to good Zay Jones Josh Reed Roscoe Parrish 3 minutes ago, brianb386 said: Ragland would definitely be last as he did absolutely nothing for us and was traded for a 4th after being drafted in the second. I want to say Aaron Williams is #1 on that list but there is serious consideration for Byrd who had some good years for us before his less than awesome final year and departure. Williams is interesting to me. For a while he seemed like a bust as CB and needed time to become good. I'm hoping Zay is similar to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 I just hope the current FO does better than the average second rounder on that list! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maine-iac Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 9 minutes ago, Reader said: Hey all, I was thinking about the team and how much the draft is depended on. I thought about players in the 2nd round as many have been polarizing players and would be curious as to others' opinions of these players especially as some were great for a short amount of time, while others were consistently okay (some would argue better and some worse). You'll note that I am omitting players who I consider to be either busts (Hardy, Troup, etc) or home runs (Schobel, Woods, Glenn, etc). How would you rank the following players in terms of how good of players they are/were? Josh Reed Chris Kelsay Roscoe Parrish Jairus Byrd Aaron Williams Kiko Alonso (I'm not sure how he compares from a talent perspective. If I rank him guided by emotion he would be last) Roald Darby Reggie Ragland Zay Jones Dion Dawkins Mind you I'm answering these all with my own opinion. Take it for what you will. Reed sucked. All the drops of Zay but with less athleticism. Kelsay sucked. I have no idea why they kept him around but our defense was lousy almost the entire time he was here. Parrish was a poor mans Tavon Austin. Byrd played well here and then injuries derailed him. Williams was drafted as a corner and actually played corner and safety at different times. Moved to and took Byrd's spot and looked like he was going to be great unil the injuries. Alonso is a good he got injured and McCoy trade. Darby is good but I think with our current defense there is less focus on man and thus Darby was expendable. Ragland looked (in camp) like a winner but got injured and moved on to KC. Showed flashes last year but the KC defense hasn't exactly been shutting people down this year. Zay got better this year. Did he peak or is he going to continue on and be a decent receiver? The drops are what makes you pull your hair out. Dawkins seems like an absolutely solid pick. He just needs to stay healthy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st pete gogolak Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 OK. So who is the Bills best 2nd round pick of all-time? Was Thurman a 2nd round pick? In fact, that would be a fun thread. Who's the best #1st round, #2nd round, etc. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillies Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 Big fan of Darby. Wish he was opposite Tre right now. Can't forgive Byrd for his "foot" BS Kiko's a marked man league-wide now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corta765 Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 1. Jairus Byrd- Dude was all pro caliber until injury 2. Aaron Williams- pro bowl caliber until injury. Sad to write that twice 3. Dion Dawkins- Has played 2 years at LT from rookie on and for the most part has looked the part. That is incredibly tough especially for that position. Still very high on him. 4. Ronald Darby- When he is not injured he is very good and has pro bowl talent 5. Kiko Alonso- Pro Bowl talent mixed with not much in the brain makes a solid but flawed LB. But still solid LB 6. Chris Kelsay- Productive player who you would be okay getting a career from. On a better team he is probably a great rotational player 7. Roscoe Parrish- His numbers are not far off from Reed and his return skills were dominant by comparison. Wasn't worth a 2nd in my eyes but still solid and injuries make him a big what if. 8. Josh Reed- Talent was there never completely put it together but he last for a while. 9. Zay Jones- One atrocious year and one year he played OK. Some good some bad 2019 season will be big in his future. Truthfully I think he is WR4 after Foster, FA addition, and draft pick. Not enough for 2nd round. 10. Reggie Ragland- Bleacher report named him worst player on Chiefs in 2018. He is player which the game passed him by and knee injury may have torpedoed whatever he had. Never liked the trade at the time and it's amazing we got anything for him. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maine-iac Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 Kelsay in particular everyone seemed to like but the guy couldn't set the edge, he couldn't pass rush, and they paid him like he was great. Him and Denny both were the picture of mediocre and the stuck around for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st pete gogolak Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, Maine-iac said: Kelsay in particular everyone seemed to like but the guy couldn't set the edge, he couldn't pass rush, and they paid him like he was great. Him and Denny both were the picture of mediocre and the stuck around for years. At least he was a half-way respectable DE. Remember when they tried to turn him into a 3-4 OLB? Hilariously bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 Cyrus- man I HATED that pick! And don't get me started on John Parrella Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 27 minutes ago, Reader said: Hey all, I was thinking about the team and how much the draft is depended on. I thought about players in the 2nd round as many have been polarizing players and would be curious as to others' opinions of these players especially as some were great for a short amount of time, while others were consistently okay (some would argue better and some worse). You'll note that I am omitting players who I consider to be either busts (Hardy, Troup, etc) or home runs (Schobel, Woods, Glenn, etc). How would you rank the following players in terms of how good of players they are/were? Josh Reed Chris Kelsay Roscoe Parrish Jairus Byrd Aaron Williams Kiko Alonso (I'm not sure how he compares from a talent perspective. If I rank him guided by emotion he would be last) Roald Darby Reggie Ragland Zay Jones Dion Dawkins Of that group I would say Darby was the best. Byrd had a few very good years. Same as AW23 Zay- Not good so far Kiko- Average Ragland- Mediocre Dawkins- Looks descent and I like the potential Kelsay- Carved out a descent career. Average to slightly above Parrish- Mediocre Josh Reed- Descent feisty career Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 ***** Kelsay. Just an absolute waste of payroll and space. Guy skirted by his entire career just by getting close to the call. One of my most disliked Bills players of the past decade 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 The only 2 players that played to a 2nd round value were Byrd & Williams. Dawkins has a shot to join that list if he improves or moves to RT. The rest are just average low impact NFL players. Tragically I had high hopes for James Hardy. And how Kelsay lasted as long as he did is Buffalo lore.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maine-iac Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, st pete gogolak said: At least he was a half-way respectable DE. Remember when they tried to turn him into a 3-4 OLB? Hilariously bad. One of those two caught a fake kick .............. I think that might have helped people remember them as being better. I swear our defenses were awful for years. Hell even Schobel. We had LB sized DL players and midgets behind them (Coy Wire and London Fletcher ect.) We got run on week in and week out for 3 or 4 seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reader Posted January 10, 2019 Author Share Posted January 10, 2019 1 minute ago, Maine-iac said: One of those two caught a fake kick .............. I think that might have helped people remember them as being better. I swear our defenses were awful for years. Hell even Schobel. We had LB sized DL players and midgets behind them (Coy Wire and London Fletcher ect.) We got run on week in and week out for 3 or 4 seasons. Schobel managed to at least get pressure on QB's. He usually showed up for NE games so I probably remember him as better than he was. Denney caught a fake kick, Kelsay blocked a Dallas throw and caught it in the endzone for a touchdown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 59 minutes ago, Maine-iac said: Kelsay in particular everyone seemed to like but the guy couldn't set the edge, he couldn't pass rush, and they paid him like he was great. Him and Denny both were the picture of mediocre and the stuck around for years. I used to refer to them as Dennelsay. Decent depth ends that had no business playing a prominent role. We always had a crap pass rush during those years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epstein's Mother Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 Kiko Alonso - Best second round pr!ck in Bill's history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lacoy38 Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 Reed- was solid unspectacular slot guy- not really a hit or miss Kelsay- drew my ire quite a bit but overall he was a hit - solid starter for a decade Parrish- injury problems robbed him of what could’ve been- still he’ll of a return man Byrd and Williams- exactly the same - both were awesome (took Aaron s bit longer) but injuries ruined them young Kiko- screw him ! He’s so overrated based off September 2013- did get us Shady though Darby- good Ragland- still don’t know why we traded him - reminds me of Kelvin Shepard not really sure in a good or bad way Zay- I think he can be pretty good Dawkins - same as ZAy but s little ahead right now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 30 minutes ago, lacoy38 said: Reed- was solid unspectacular slot guy- not really a hit or miss Kelsay- drew my ire quite a bit but overall he was a hit - solid starter for a decade Parrish- injury problems robbed him of what could’ve been- still he’ll of a return man Byrd and Williams- exactly the same - both were awesome (took Aaron s bit longer) but injuries ruined them young Kiko- screw him ! He’s so overrated based off September 2013- did get us Shady though Darby- good Ragland- still don’t know why we traded him - reminds me of Kelvin Shepard not really sure in a good or bad way Zay- I think he can be pretty good Dawkins - same as ZAy but s little ahead right now You strike me as a glass half full kinda guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 Byrd may have been the luckiest player in Bills history. Many of his INTs seem to be terribly thrown balls where Byrd wasn't even in good position to make a play on the WR. But he is still the best of the list. AW was ok at safety. A bit overrated. Parrish was dangerous at times. Dawkins regressed this year but is still solid. Darby will be an interesting story to play out. He was given away for a rent for a year WR that was terrible. He has played well for Philadelphia though injured twice. I was ok with the trade because I thought Darby played fairly poorly in year two with Rex but then again so did the entire defense. Rest are awful. What a terrible track record of drafts. And then add in all the picks given away to move up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Joe Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 40 minutes ago, lacoy38 said: snip Ragland- still don’t know why we traded him - reminds me of Kelvin Shepard not really sure in a good or bad way snip The only good way I can remember Kelvin Shepard is that he is now Jerry Hughes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 1 hour ago, lacoy38 said: Ragland- still don’t know why we traded him You mean you "don't know why we drafted him."...... It was obvious why we traded him. A fourth-round pick this year, whatever we get will be an improvement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Romes Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 Woods was not considered a home run when he was here. Just so so. Played injured his last year in Buffalo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 5 hours ago, Reader said: Hey all, I was thinking about the team and how much the draft is depended on. I thought about players in the 2nd round as many have been polarizing players and would be curious as to others' opinions of these players especially as some were great for a short amount of time, while others were consistently okay (some would argue better and some worse). You'll note that I am omitting players who I consider to be either busts (Hardy, Troup, etc) or home runs (Schobel, Woods, Glenn, etc). How would you rank the following players in terms of how good of players they are/were? Josh Reed Chris Kelsay Roscoe Parrish Jairus Byrd Aaron Williams Kiko Alonso (I'm not sure how he compares from a talent perspective. If I rank him guided by emotion he would be last) Roald Darby Reggie Ragland Zay Jones Dion Dawkins Aaron Williams all day long!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 5 hours ago, Reader said: Hey all, I was thinking about the team and how much the draft is depended on. I thought about players in the 2nd round as many have been polarizing players and would be curious as to others' opinions of these players especially as some were great for a short amount of time, while others were consistently okay (some would argue better and some worse). You'll note that I am omitting players who I consider to be either busts (Hardy, Troup, etc) or home runs (Schobel, Woods, Glenn, etc). How would you rank the following players in terms of how good of players they are/were? Josh Reed Chris Kelsay Roscoe Parrish Jairus Byrd Aaron Williams Kiko Alonso (I'm not sure how he compares from a talent perspective. If I rank him guided by emotion he would be last) Roald Darby Reggie Ragland Zay Jones Dion Dawkins We did pretty good in round 2, probably better than in round 1 A. Williams Ronald Darby Jairus Byrd Kiko Alonso Dion Dawkins Chris Kelsay Zay Jones Reggie Ragland The Bills Legend? Josh Reed 1 hour ago, Charles Romes said: Woods was not considered a home run when he was here. Just so so. Played injured his last year in Buffalo. Some of us realised he was a homerun when he was here. You know the ones that can actually evaluate with based on things other than stats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 We definitely did better in the 2nd round from Kelly's rookie year to the Music City miracle. There were some busts though. Thurman Thomas Nate Odomes Phil Hansen Marcelus Wiley Peerlice Price Carwell Gardner Sam Cowart Lonnie Johnson Gabe Northern Todd Collins Bucky Brooks John Parella James Patton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TC in St. Louis Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 14 hours ago, Pete said: Cyrus- man I HATED that pick! And don't get me started on John Parrella Parella became a stud for San Diego. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo86 Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 (edited) What about Cordy Glenn? He was the first decent LT we had since Peters left. Edit: Oops, just reread the OP. My bad. Edited January 11, 2019 by Buffalo86 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corta765 Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 16 hours ago, Maine-iac said: Kelsay in particular everyone seemed to like but the guy couldn't set the edge, he couldn't pass rush, and they paid him like he was great. Him and Denny both were the picture of mediocre and the stuck around for years. For second round picks they were OK value. On a better team he is a solid rotational player which would maximize what he can do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 1 hour ago, TC in St. Louis said: Parella became a stud for San Diego. because he didn't want to play for Buffalo, the team that drafted him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 On how good they were at their prime (or how I see their prime panning out) 1-4 are home run 2nds. Rags, Dawkins, and Zay i don't really know. The rest.. meh 1. Ronald Darby 2. Jairus Byrd 3. Aaron Williams 4. Kiko 5. Rags (he's doing well at KC.. last I checked a year ago) 6. Dawkins 7. Zay 8. Roscoe 9. Reed 10. Kelsay Let's just stick to secondary in the 2nd. That's what I've learned today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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