Game of Thrones - And Now Our Watch Has Ended!

[K-9]

3 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

 

They know the end is near and they rushed it.    They may already be working on the prequel where people have no expectations based on an unfinished 7 book novel 

They've been rushing it since season 2. Perfectly understandable given the constraints of episodic tv story telling. IMO, fans have been rushing it far more, though, with their own versions of how the story should go. 

[Deranged Rhino]

3 minutes ago, stony said:

So how many survivors total are we thinking? 500? 1,000? 3,000? 5,000? 

 

It'll be interesting going forward to see who else joins the North/Dany.  The cowards at House Glover remain unscathed and should join back up (maybe).  Perhaps the Tully's, they never sent any men.  Does Dorne come back into play?

 

I know there's two dragons still, but they're going to need some bodies.  

 

Howland Reed is the only living person who can verify Jon's patronage... I'm thinking we'll see him and his daughter before the final three. 

[PIZ]

Shady mentioned this back a few pages, but did Dany throw Jorah into the sword that killed him?  Sure looked that way.

 

Also, what in the world was Bran doing the whole time?  He warged into a crow for what reason?  Just fly around and do nothing?  I thought for sure he was going to warg into the WW Dragon and eat the Night King.  He seemed kind of pointless.  It would have made more sense for the NK to just kill everyone alive first, and then worry about Bran.

 

Arya killing the NK had my wife hollering like I do when Josh Allen scores TDs.

 

 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

1 minute ago, stony said:

So how many survivors total are we thinking? 500? 1,000? 3,000? 5,000? 

 

It'll be interesting going forward to see who else joins the North/Dany.  The cowards at House Glover remain unscathed and should join back up (maybe).  Perhaps the Tully's, they never sent any men.  Does Dorne come back into play?

 

I know there's two dragons still, but they're going to need some bodies.  

 

I alluded to this earlier .... 

The Tulleys / Riverun, whats left or the Twins and what of the Reeds and the Crannogmen?  

 

White Harbor, and House Manderly's 

[SDS]

6 minutes ago, jkeerie said:

It does make me question why they wanted to limit the final season to just 6 episodes.  Perhaps more could have been done had they not done so.

 

There is a finite budget. If you don't want the big battle scenes, then sure - they could have done 10 episodes. It's a TV series.

[stony]

1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Howland Reed is the only living person who can verify Jon's patronage... I'm thinking we'll see him and his daughter before the final three. 

I was excited for this but rumor has it, he wasn't on the casting for this season.  

[GoBills808]

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

6 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Howland Reed is the only living person who can verify Jon's patronage... I'm thinking we'll see him and his daughter before the final three. 

True ....  Still a friend of the Starks ....   Maybe not enough fro Dany

3 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

 

I don't get it???  

 

\never mind ... I stumbled across a pic Arya Stark > Damian Lillard

 

Edited April 29, 2019 by ShadyBillsFan

[Rico]

2 minutes ago, PIZ said:

Shady mentioned this back a few pages, but did Dany throw Jorah into the sword that killed him?  Sure looked that way.

 

Also, what in the world was Bran doing the whole time?  He warged into a crow for what reason?  Just fly around and do nothing?  I thought for sure he was going to warg into the WW Dragon and eat the Night King.  He seemed kind of pointless.  It would have made more sense for the NK to just kill everyone alive first, and then worry about Bran.

 

Arya killing the NK had my wife hollering like I do when Josh Allen scores TDs.

 

 

Bran already knew what was going to happen, he was just killing time waiting for the NK to show up.

[stony]

3 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

 

I alluded to this earlier .... 

The Tulleys / Riverun, whats left or the Twins and what of the Reeds and the Crannogmen?  

 

White Harbor, and House Manderly's 

Gotcha.  I'm assuming the Manderlays fought.  I don't remember them refusing the 'call.'  Could've missed it, I'm usual hitting the pinot by 9pm.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

Heaven's watch party 

 

 

 

[section122]

8 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Howland Reed is the only living person who can verify Jon's patronage... I'm thinking we'll see him and his daughter before the final three. 

 

6 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

 

I alluded to this earlier .... 

The Tulleys / Riverun, whats left or the Twins and what of the Reeds and the Crannogmen?  

 

White Harbor, and House Manderly's 

 

I did find myself wondering where in the heck was Meera Reed?  I thought for sure she would have been there to protect Bran one last time but I didn't see any Reeds when they called all the northern lords at the start of episode 2.  Are they not technically in the North?

 

5 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

\never mind ... I stumbled across a pic Arya Stark > Damian Lillard

 

Moreso it was after Lillard hit the series clinching shot and didn't smile/celebrate just a cold blooded assassin which is why Arya's face is so perfect there.

[Deranged Rhino]

1 minute ago, section122 said:

I did find myself wondering where in the heck was Meera Reed?  I thought for sure she would have been there to protect Bran one last time but I didn't see any Reeds when they called all the northern lords at the start of episode 2.  Are they not technically in the North?

 

I forget when it was said, last season or this, but they made a point of noting that the Reeds were staying in their castle. (That'st their rep in the books too). They're definitely of the North. 

[section122]

Just now, Deranged Rhino said:

 

I forget when it was said, last season or this, but they made a point of noting that the Reeds were staying in their castle. (That'st their rep in the books too). They're definitely of the North. 

 

I remember Meera saying she had to go be with her family during this time but didn't know that about the books  (will only read them after they are all released - the tv show has given me enough blue balls lol).

 

Wonder if we will see them again...

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

4 minutes ago, section122 said:

 

 

I did find myself wondering where in the heck was Meera Reed?  I thought for sure she would have been there to protect Bran one last time but I didn't see any Reeds when they called all the northern lords at the start of episode 2.  Are they not technically in the North?

 

 

Moreso it was after Lillard hit the series clinching shot and didn't smile/celebrate just a cold blooded assassin which is why Arya's face is so perfect there.

Yes.  to the north and west neat the coast (I'm a geek)  

 

[section122]

Just now, ShadyBillsFan said:

Yes.  to the north and west neat the coast (I'm a geek)  

 

 

And the dead came through Eastwatch right?  I figured they were as there would be no other reason for Howland Reed to be at the Tower of Joy with Ned but appreciate the info.

[DrDawkinstein]

Great theory on Bran's true role laid out here:

 

 

[TPS]

31 minutes ago, section122 said:

 

As an aside I highly recommend watching this show with Closed Caption on.  There are a lot of subtleties and quiet dialogue that I would have missed throughout.  I started watching all tv with sub titles after my daughter was born and I have just left them on.  GOT they are fantastic and helped me understand so much more (imo).

I always watch it the second time on my iPad using subtitles as I always miss things in the first go, then we'll watch the previous episode as it leads into the new one.

[TPS]

26 minutes ago, stony said:

So how many survivors total are we thinking? 500? 1,000? 3,000? 5,000? 

 

It'll be interesting going forward to see who else joins the North/Dany.  The cowards at House Glover remain unscathed and should join back up (maybe).  Perhaps the Tully's, they never sent any men.  Does Dorne come back into play?

 

I know there's two dragons still, but they're going to need some bodies.  

Cersei's army is made up of mercenaries from across the sea.  I don't know if it will come into play, but there are over a million people in Kings landing, very few of which like the current seat holder....

[Rockpile233]

Every Bran theory has likely been incorrect. Still time left though. I like a lot of those points.

 

I’ve argued for several years that Jon is already dead. There was clear justification in the books that, like Beric , he was reanimated to play out his part. That has always led me to the thought that, like Beric, he would be dead at the end of the story. 

 

 

 

[stony]

2 minutes ago, TPS said:

Cersei's army is made up of mercenaries from across the sea.  I don't know if it will come into play, but there are over a million people in Kings landing, very few of which like the current seat holder....

Very interesting. 

 

I read a large portion of the Golden Company is made up of Targaryen exiles who were on the wrong side of a civil war.  Curious if this comes into play.  So many things...so little time...    

[Cripple Creek]

56 minutes ago, Logic said:

Yeah. How dare people have their own opinions about a television show. The nerve.

There are opinions, then there's incessant whining because things didn't go your way.

[Deranged Rhino]

15 minutes ago, TPS said:

Cersei's army is made up of mercenaries from across the sea.  I don't know if it will come into play, but there are over a million people in Kings landing, very few of which like the current seat holder....

 

Also, Daario stayed behind to join up with the mercs... we've already seen him take over one mercenary army to help Dany before. I'm thinking he makes an unexpected appearance to help turn the tide at some point. 

[Cripple Creek]

5 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Also, Daario stayed behind to join up with the mercs... we've already seen him take over one mercenary army to help Dany before. I'm thinking he makes an unexpected appearance to help turn the tide at some point. 

In the back of my mind too.

[snafu]

Was there no one here who wanted to see Sansa kill reanimated, headless Ned Stark (or Rob even) when they were down in the crypts?

 

Edit:  Better yet -- Tyrion kills reanimated Ned.  Keeps the Lannister/Stark wheel rolling.

 

 

 

Edited April 29, 2019 by snafu

[Reed83HOF]

Just now, snafu said:

Was there no one here who wanted to see Sansa kill reanimated, headless Ned Stark (or Rob even) when they were down in the crypts?

 

IIRC, Rob was tossed in a river somewhere and there are only Ned's bones. I was hoping for Leanna personally...

[Logic]

18 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said:

There are opinions, then there's incessant whining because things didn't go your way.

I'm sorry to hear that you feel that opinions contrary to your own all represent "incessant" whining. Here I thought we were in a discussion forum, meant to discuss. How silly of me to have an opinion critical of the show and to express it in a thread dedicated to discussing said show and our opinions of it. 

If my opinion represents "incessant whining", yours represents an inability to tolerate criticism of your favorite pop culture thing. It's okay for people to have different opinions, you know.

[section122]

34 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

Great theory on Bran's true role laid out here:

 

 

 

 

I read that this morning and thought with all the evidence laid out wouldn't Melisande actually be a better lord of light?  If everything has an antithesis as the post states (very Matrix of them lol) then wouldn't her disappearing after serving her purpose of helping defeat the NK be exactly that?  If Bran was the lord of light he should have died when the NK did.  

 

On a side note I love this series and guessing about it but man there are some fans that do a ton of work with their theories.  It has made being a fan so fun.  This post was so well done even if it led me to a different conclusion.  It is one thing people that watch this show after it is done will miss out on.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

48 minutes ago, section122 said:

 

And the dead came through Eastwatch right?  I figured they were as there would be no other reason for Howland Reed to be at the Tower of Joy with Ned but appreciate the info.

Eastwatch  I believe is correct.  

 

 

Edited April 29, 2019 by ShadyBillsFan

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

 

 

[Cripple Creek]

29 minutes ago, Logic said:

I'm sorry to hear that you feel that opinions contrary to your own all represent "incessant" whining. Here I thought we were in a discussion forum, meant to discuss. How silly of me to have an opinion critical of the show and to express it in a thread dedicated to discussing said show and our opinions of it. 

If my opinion represents "incessant whining", yours represents an inability to tolerate criticism of your favorite pop culture thing. It's okay for people to have different opinions, you know.

You shouldn't make assumptions. My favorite pop culture thing?  What gives you that idea? It's a TV show and I derive some entertainment value from it.  I'd suggest that you are the one too fully invested.

[jkeerie]

Can't we all just get along?  ?

[GoBills808]

Does anyone know how the whitewalker army got so large? It seems like you can't reanimate a 'dead' whitewalker, and there can't have been all that many people living up above the Wall...plus it seemed like someone w/ Valeryian steel or dragonglass could take out a good 5-10 of em before getting killed...how tf did they get so many people in that army?

[Rockpile233]

1 minute ago, GoBills808 said:

Does anyone know how the whitewalker army got so large? It seems like you can't reanimate a 'dead' whitewalker, and there can't have been all that many people living up above the Wall...plus it seemed like someone w/ Valeryian steel or dragonglass could take out a good 5-10 of em before getting killed...how tf did they get so many people in that army?

The NK could keep reanimating the dead, as we saw even last night. The majority of the dead army was wildlings/men of the watch.

 

We don’t know the amount, but the actual WWs to my understanding are mostly Crastors sons that were given to the NK. It didn’t seem that there were many of these. They rarely joined the fighting.

 

 

[GoBills808]

3 minutes ago, Rockpile233 said:

The NK could keep reanimating the dead, as we saw even last night. The majority of the dead army was wildlings/men of the watch.

 

We don’t know the amount, but the actual WWs to my understanding are mostly Crastors sons that were given to the NK. It didn’t seem that there were many of these. They rarely joined the fighting.

 

 

 

But he can only reanimate the ones who got killed by the WW, right? You can't reanimate a former WW killed by dragonglass or special steel...I'm thinking with those constraints he'd have a hard time increasing his numbers in perpetuity

. 

[DrDawkinstein]

53 minutes ago, section122 said:

 

I read that this morning and thought with all the evidence laid out wouldn't Melisande actually be a better lord of light?  If everything has an antithesis as the post states (very Matrix of them lol) then wouldn't her disappearing after serving her purpose of helping defeat the NK be exactly that?  If Bran was the lord of light he should have died when the NK did.  

 

On a side note I love this series and guessing about it but man there are some fans that do a ton of work with their theories.  It has made being a fan so fun.  This post was so well done even if it led me to a different conclusion.  It is one thing people that watch this show after it is done will miss out on.

 

That was the same thing with LOST, which was also a huge TBD board favorite. The discussion and "investigations" between episodes was almost more entertaining than the show itself (and the show was awesome). Agreed that folks who didnt get to experience it in real time will miss out on the best part. When my wife watched LOST for the first time, I tried limiting it to only 1 or 2 episodes a day so she could get a chance to form her own theories and bounce them off of me.

8 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

 

But he can only reanimate the ones who got killed by the WW, right? You can't reanimate a former WW killed by dragonglass or special steel...I'm thinking with those constraints he'd have a hard time increasing his numbers in perpetuity

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That's right. Everyone he re-animated towards the end were recently killed "good guys". The Dothraki, etc. He could not reanimate any of his own army who were killed with dragonglass or Valarian steel.

[Rockpile233]

11 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

 

But he can only reanimate the ones who got killed by the WW, right? You can't reanimate a former WW killed by dragonglass or special steel...I'm thinking with those constraints he'd have a hard time increasing his numbers in perpetuity

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Yes, but up until this point there wasn’t wide use of dragonglass. Everything he accumulated north of the wall was mostly intact.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

22 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Does anyone know how the whitewalker army got so large? It seems like you can't reanimate a 'dead' whitewalker, and there can't have been all that many people living up above the Wall...plus it seemed like someone w/ Valeryian steel or dragonglass could take out a good 5-10 of em before getting killed...how tf did they get so many people in that army?

 

All of the population North of the wall.   Who knows how many 1000s of free folk were left behind.   

[GoBills808]

Also...can LIVING people killed by Valeryian steel become WW? Wasn't Eddard Stark beheaded with his own sword, and I dunno if he was buried in that crypt or not but would he have been reanimated?

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

18 minutes ago, Rockpile233 said:

The NK could keep reanimating the dead, as we saw even last night. The majority of the dead army was wildlings/men of the watch.

 

We don’t know the amount, but the actual WWs to my understanding are mostly Crastors sons that were given to the NK. It didn’t seem that there were many of these. They rarely joined the fighting.

 

 

 

13 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

 

But he can only reanimate the ones who got killed by the WW, right? You can't reanimate a former WW killed by dragonglass or special steel...I'm thinking with those constraints he'd have a hard time increasing his numbers in perpetuity

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I think he can only animate those not killed by dragonglass...  possible Valerian steel.  Did anyone see Ned Stark in the crypts?  Was he killed with an ax or his won sword?

1 minute ago, GoBills808 said:

Also...can LIVING people killed by Valeryian steel become WW? Wasn't Eddard Stark beheaded with his own sword, and I dunno if he was buried in that crypt or not but would he have been reanimated?

 

LOL