Game of Thrones - And Now Our Watch Has Ended!

[stony]

49 minutes ago, Rico said:

Anyone think that Dany may try to kill Jon Snow now? Can't wait for tonight!

 

Last show was just GREAT, I just loved seeing all those characters together before the end & STRONGLY disagree that it was bad television.

Not yet.  But if she fell off her dragon, it wouldn't bother me too much.  

[/dev/null]

Just finished watching episode 2 a second time.  

 

i understand why so many people thought this was a bad episode.  everyone is expecting an epic battle with dragons and ice zombies. 

 

take away that expectation, and this was an excellent episode

[Boca BIlls]

2 minutes ago, /dev/null said:

Just finished watching episode 2 a second time.  

 

i understand why so many people thought this was a bad episode.  everyone is expecting an epic battle with dragons and ice zombies. 

 

take away that expectation, and this was an excellent episode

So a bunch of talking? Couple naked women?

[/dev/null]

6 minutes ago, Boca BIlls said:

So a bunch of talking? Couple naked women?

only one scene with a naked woman, and i fast forwarded thru because it was kinda creepy

[Deranged Rhino]

I don't like predicting who is doomed... but here's who I think will survive and why: 

 

The four obvious--

Arya: (Basing this on her being a survivor but also the fact she's one of Martin's favorites/won't kill list imo)

Jon: (His story's not done yet, plus the Martin's favorite/won't kill list)

Dany: (Her story's not done yet, plus the Martin's favorite/won't kill list)

Tyrion: (His story's not done yet, plus the Martin's favorite/won't kill list)

 

The rest/less obvious -- 

The Hound: (He can't die until we get the Clegane Bowl)

Jamie: (His story's not done yet / his death has to involve his sister or Bronn)

Sansa: (I think in the books she may not survive, but the TV show operates slightly differently here)

Sam: (He's the one to chronicle the events, plus I think? he's on Martin's favorite/won't kill list)

Davos: (This one's just a hunch... dude never seems to die)

Missandei: (Figure Grayworm is likely toast -- but she'll survive it)

[/dev/null]

Episode 3 will be 82 minutes so you know sh*t gonna happen tonite

[Doc Brown]

2 hours ago, /dev/null said:

Just finished watching episode 2 a second time.  

 

i understand why so many people thought this was a bad episode.  everyone is expecting an epic battle with dragons and ice zombies. 

 

take away that expectation, and this was an excellent episode

I'm rewatching it now and like it a lot more than last week.  To set up a great battle sequence you have to care about the characters in it.  Otherwise it's just Transformers.  It served that purpose and was a great nostalgia episode.

[Boca BIlls]

Did the battle happen? Who died?

[DC Tom]

They actually managed to make a fight between dragons boring.  That's incredible.

[Doc Brown]

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

Not today.  

 

When Arya went “missing” for that short time.  

 

When the MK was about to draw I said COME ON Arya. 

 

And in she leaped. 

 

Epic episode.  

[CommonCents]

2 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

Not today.  

 

When Arya went “missing” for that short time.  

 

When the MK was about to draw I said COME ON Arya. 

 

And in she leaped. 

 

Epic episode.  

Bleh. 

 

Predictable ending to an impossible scene. I can’t imagine making a zombie army is an easy task. The remaining  episodes should be far more epic...unless....

Edited April 29, 2019 by CommonCents

[DC Tom]

Just now, ShadyBillsFan said:

Not today.  

 

When Arya went “missing” for that short time.  

 

When the MK was about to draw I said COME ON Arya. 

 

And in she leaped. 

 

Epic episode.  

 

Even though I knew it was coming, it took me by surprise.  That was extremely well-shot.  

 

And a nice call-back to her fight scene with Brienne, switching hands with the dagger.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

Just now, CommonCents said:

Bleh. 

 

Predictable ending to an impossible scene. I can’t imagine making a zombie army is an easy task. The remaining  episodes should be far more epic...unless....

Lets agree to disagree 

 

In my opinion it was an EPIC EPISODE!!!!!

[Doc Brown]

That's the 3rd time when all hope was lost there was a last second game changer.  Drogon saving the day in the fighting pit, Sansa with the Knights of the Vale in Battle of the Bastards, and Arya making it almost worth it watching her train for a whole season.  I'm sensing a pattern.

[jkeerie]

4 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

Not today.  

 

When Arya went “missing” for that short time.  

 

When the MK was about to draw I said COME ON Arya. 

 

And in she leaped. 

 

Epic episode.  

When Mellisandre said "and blue eyes " you knew it would be Arya that got him!  But what a way to do it!  My heart was in my throat that entire episode!

[Rico]

I would say Endgame’s final fight was definitely more overall epic, but the end of the Night King blew it away. What an incredible visual, I replayed that scene about 10x. 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

1 minute ago, DC Tom said:

 

Even though I knew it was coming, it took me by surprise.  That was extremely well-shot.  

 

And a nice call-back to her fight scene with Brienne, switching hands with the dagger.

For a second I was worried about Arya but then she is a bad ass.  

 

This episode is is what I expected 

 

lots and lots of fighters dying 

coming to the edge of no escape.   

[Virgil]

I can see why the actors hating shooting it.  It was impossible to see what was happening in the first half.  That made it kinda boring for me.  Then, once the fight came inside the wall, it got good.  

 

I don’t know how half of the main characters survived. 

 

Arya made Jon her B word.  She stole this episode and the last two seasons honestly.  I love what they’ve made her.  Jon was just surviving.  

 

The dragon stuff was a let down, but I felt that was the Night King’s strategy. 

 

Either way, tough to beat the battle of the bastards. 

4 minutes ago, Rico said:

I would say Endgame’s final fight was definitely more overall epic, but the end of the Night King blew it away. What an incredible visual, I replayed that scene about 10x. 

 

Only 5 replays for me 

 

 

Also, who’s even left of the army to fight Cersei?

Edited April 29, 2019 by Virgil

[Rico]

Just now, Virgil said:

I can see why the actors hating shooting it.  It was impossible to see what was happening in the first half.  That made it kinda boring for me.  Then, once the fight came inside the wall, it got good.  

 

I don’t know how half of the main characters survived. 

 

Arya made Jon her B word.  She stole this episode and the last two seasons honestly.  I love what they’ve made her.  Jon was just surviving.  

 

The dragon stuff was a let down, but I felt that was the Night King’s strategy. 

 

Either way, tough to beat the battle of the bastards. 

She needs to be the last one standing, Jon Snow just isn’t worthy.

[DC Tom]

3 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

Lets agree to disagree 

 

In my opinion it was an EPIC EPISODE!!!!!

 

I disagree.  It was like a 90-minute of the worst kind of Walking Dead episode.  Buncha people hacking away at ice zombies.  

 

There was no real drama or tension to it, just spectacle.  

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

Oh. Jon’s dragon took a fall.  

 

Did he survive?   The preview seemed to show only 1 dragon.  

 

 

Edit. Never mind I rewatched the preview again and saw two

 

the fast rewind on DTR was awesome as the NK shattered 

 

over and over and over 

Edited April 29, 2019 by ShadyBillsFan

[Rico]

It was just too dark to overcome HBO’s terrible picture quality as broadcast. The 4K UHD will be much better.

[DC Tom]

Did Arya kill the Night King with Littlefinger's dagger that was used in the assassination attempt against Bran in Season 1?

[stony]

Wowza

1 minute ago, DC Tom said:

Did Arya kill the Night King with Littlefinger's dagger that was used in the assassination attempt against Bran in Season 1?

Yes

[DC Tom]

Just now, Rico said:

It was just too dark to overcome HBO’s terrible picture quality as broadcast. The 4K UHD will be much better.

 

It looked like they filmed large parts of it on a sound stage, and used lighting and smoke to hide that fact.

 

Which they did very well, and additionally is likely an accurate representation of that sort of battle (not being able to see *****, having a personal horizon that doesn't extend farther than arm's reach.)  But it doesn't make for very viewable television.

[zevo]

5 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

I disagree.  It was like a 90-minute of the worst kind of Walking Dead episode.  Buncha people hacking away at ice zombies.  

 

There was no real drama or tension to it, just spectacle.  

Nailed it

[jkeerie]

12 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

I disagree.  It was like a 90-minute of the worst kind of Walking Dead episode.  Buncha people hacking away at ice zombies.  

 

There was no real drama or tension to it, just spectacle.  

No tension???? Seriously?????

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

11 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

Did Arya kill the Night King with Littlefinger's dagger that was used in the assassination attempt against Bran in Season 1?

I believe so.  

 

 

Again other than who I thought would die the episode went as I expected it. 

[frostbitmic]

It was difficult to see, I'm hoping the rest of it takes place during the day.

 

I'm guessing going forward they win the battle at Kings Landing and Cersei is killed by Jaime.

 

Dany kills Jon Snow because she wants the throne that badly. Dany will be killed by Arya who will take over the throne.

Edited April 29, 2019 by frostbitmic

[Greybeard]

1 minute ago, frostbitmic said:

It was difficult to see, I'm hoping the rest of it takes place during the day.

 

I'm guessing going forward they win the battle at Kings Landing and Cersei is killed by Jaime.

 

Dany kills Jon Snow because she wants the thrown that badly. Dany will be killed by Arya who will take over the thrown.

          From what I saw, other than the stars, there can't be too many of the northern army left.   So it should be interesting how they are going to work out the Kings Landing battle.

[Reed83HOF]

So, it was a good episode, tons of action and such but it fell flat. Think of The Force Awakens and Snoke, the whole movie he is like this huge badass. The Last Jedi he is pulling the strings and then unceremoniously killed like an unnamed storm trooper. No nothing. That's how I feel now. What you can kill the leader of the army of the dead and then spend 3 damn episodes on Cersi? Meh, such a wasted opportunity. Why are people behind epic shows like this and movies afraid the make big choices that could create something really special and lasting and then fall flat like that

[LB3]

4 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

So, it was a good episode, tons of action and such but it fell flat. Think of The Force Awakens and Snoke, the whole movie he is like this huge badass. The Last Jedi he is pulling the strings and then unceremoniously killed like an unnamed storm trooper. No nothing. That's how I feel now. What you can kill the leader of the army of the dead and then spend 3 damn episodes on Cersi? Meh, such a wasted opportunity. Why are people behind epic shows like this and movies afraid the make big choices that could create something really special and lasting and then fall flat like that

What's your idea of a special ending here? 

[Reed83HOF]

8 minutes ago, LBSeeBallLBGetBall said:

What's your idea of a special ending here? 

 

There needed to be more with him and Bran, the fan theories were infinitely better. It was like his whole arc of the Night King and the army of the dead, this entire build up, just a quick stab and he's dead. Just Hollywood shock and awe, there was no depth; the night king was a basic zombie. I'm not a writer, but there was no depth or overall purpose for this fight or why he wanted Bran given. Perhaps that will be gone over later, but he was defeated way to easily and basically only seemed like a way to unite characters to go fight Cersei now.

 

Now that the suspense and everything has faded a way, it feels like a Michael Bay movie

Edited April 29, 2019 by Reed83HOF

[Warcodered]

13 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

So, it was a good episode, tons of action and such but it fell flat. Think of The Force Awakens and Snoke, the whole movie he is like this huge badass. The Last Jedi he is pulling the strings and then unceremoniously killed like an unnamed storm trooper. No nothing. That's how I feel now. What you can kill the leader of the army of the dead and then spend 3 damn episodes on Cersi? Meh, such a wasted opportunity. Why are people behind epic shows like this and movies afraid the make big choices that could create something really special and lasting and then fall flat like that

That kind of sounds like one of the themes on the show that anyone can get snuffed out without warning no matter who they are.

[jkeerie]

35 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

 

There needed to be more with him and Bran, the fan theories were infinitely better. It was like his whole arc of the Night King and the army of the dead, this entire build up, just a quick stab and he's dead. Just Hollywood shock and awe, there was no depth; the night king was a basic zombie. I'm not a writer, but there was no depth or overall purpose for this fight or why he wanted Bran given. Perhaps that will be gone over later, but he was defeated way to easily and basically only seemed like a way to unite characters to go fight Cersei now.

 

Now that the suspense and everything has faded a way, it feels like a Michael Bay movie

Through 7 seasons they never really developed the Night King.  The only way you can understand the motivation of a character is through dialogue.   You never get that with the Night King.  He was created by the Children of the Forest (was it part of their war against men?)  As I recall, didn't they regret creating him and the white walkers?   So I don't know what you could have expected in the scene with Bran.  I have not read the books so I'm just going with what I remember from earlier episodes.  With the other characters there has been dialogue and intrigue.   With the Night King all we've gotten to create any "drama or tension" is "Winter is coming."

Edited April 29, 2019 by jkeerie

[Reed83HOF]

14 minutes ago, jkeerie said:

Through 7 seasons they never really developed the Night King.  The only way you can understand the motivation of a character is through dialogue.   You never get that with the Night King.  He was created by the Children of the Forest (was it part of their war against men?)  As I recall, didn't they regret creating him and the white walkers?   So I don't know what you could have expected in the scene with Bran.  I have not read the books so I'm just going with what I remember from earlier episodes.  With the other characters there has been dialogue and intrigue.   With the Night King all we've gotten to create any "drama or tension" is "Winter is coming."

 

Bran was the target, he was coming for him.What was the point of Bran being marked? Why was he the target? He also knew Arya would kill the night king, he gave her the dagger in the same spot she killed him.

 

What about the Prince that was promised? The Night King always let's Jon live? What was the point of that? The point of Craster and the baby scrifices? Absolutely everything they put into the army of the dead and the night king, the nuance, the mystery was wasted.

 

All of last season - the army of the dead is coming, winter is coming we have to team up to stop them. It's been the second leading build up besides Cersei's cunning power grab. He was just another zombie; the fan theories are way better than what the show writers gave us. It's not Seinfeld ending bad, but it doesn't sit well when you think it thorough. It feels like a mechanism to get people together to go after Cersei. They could have done much more with the whole white walker and NK arc. The army of the dead might have well been the Frays.

 

Edited April 29, 2019 by Reed83HOF

[Doc Brown]

1 hour ago, DC Tom said:

Did Arya kill the Night King with Littlefinger's dagger that was used in the assassination attempt against Bran in Season 1?

Yup.  Littlefinger gave it back to Bran last season. Bran gave it to Arya knowing she'd use it to kill the Night King being as Bran's able to see into the future and explains why he's so calm throughout the whole ordeal.  Unfortunately, since Bran knows how everything will play out he can't give any warnings about what's to come or they won't happen.  He knew Theon was going to die hence the "you're a good man Theon" dialogue.

Edited April 29, 2019 by Doc Brown

[jkeerie]

7 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

 

Bran was the target, he was coming for him.What was the point of Bran being marked? Why was he the target? He also knew Arya would kill the night king, he gave her the dagger in the same spot she killed him.

 

What about the Prince that was promised? The Night King always let's Jon live? What was the point of that? The point of Craster and the baby scrifices? Absolutely everything they put into the army of the dead and the night king, the nuance, the mystery was wasted.

 

All of last season - the army of the dead is coming, winter is coming we have to team up to stop them. It's been the second leading build up besides Cersei's cunning power grab. He was just another zombie; the fan theories are way better than what the show writers gave us. It's not Seinfeld ending bad, but it doesn't sit well when you think it thorough. It feels like a mechanism to get people together to go after Cersei. They could have done much more with the whole white walker and NK arc. The army of the dead might have well been the Frays.

 

I understand what you're asking.   The problem with fan theories is though they're interesting,  in many instances it's wishful thinking.   Bran was the target of the NK because Bran is the three eyed raven.   Remember the NK got the original TER (Max von Sydow).  The greenseer power was transferred to Bran.  I don't recall why there was this link between the NK and the TER.  I'm wondering if it was explained in the books.  Was it because the NK knew the TER, being all knowing would know how to defeat him?

As to letting Jon live...just because Jon didn't die at the hands of the wights I wouldn't say he "let" him live.

 

We have to take the original books into account with respect to the writers and the direction of the story.  This may compel me to read them.

 

 

[JoPar_v2]

15 minutes ago, jkeerie said:

I understand what you're asking.   The problem with fan theories is though they're interesting,  in many instances it's wishful thinking.   Bran was the target of the NK because Bran is the three eyed raven.   Remember the NK got the original TER (Max von Sydow).  The greenseer power was transferred to Bran.  I don't recall why there was this link between the NK and the TER.  I'm wondering if it was explained in the books.  Was it because the NK knew the TER, being all knowing would know how to defeat him?

As to letting Jon live...just because Jon didn't die at the hands of the wights I wouldn't say he "let" him live.

 

We have to take the original books into account with respect to the writers and the direction of the story.  This may compel me to read them.

 

 

 

Absolutely. 99% of fan fic (the good fan fic) is very entertaining but can’t achieve what the showrunners are ultimately trying to do. Fan fic is selective, by its very nature. No fan, no matter how big, agrees with everything and everywhere the story is going. So they pick and choose. Problem is inherent in that picking and choosing you’re changing things, ignoring things. No long running show (or movie franchise ?) has perfect continuity anyways, but they are trying to keep it at least a little consistent. Catering to fan theories and fan fic is folly. Although some of it is very good.