CommonCents Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001007337/article/qb-index-patrick-mahomes-leads-yearend-rankings Allen at 32nd. Scattershot accuracy How could Jackson be higher than Allen as he runs and doesn’t pass well? I hope Josh stays motivated and crushes it next year. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnycage46 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 (edited) 15 minutes ago, CommonCents said: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001007337/article/qb-index-patrick-mahomes-leads-yearend-rankings Allen at 32nd. Scattershot accuracy How could Jackson be higher than Allen as he runs and doesn’t pass well? I hope Josh stays motivated and crushes it next year. Not that anything the writer said about Allen is totally false...BUT if you look at Rosen's blurb below Allen its clear the writer of that article is biased against Allen. If think a lot of these subjective rankings will always reflect the bias of the writer (i.e. all the folks who hated Allen coming out will always have him ranked low based on this or that). Its not to say that Allen is NOT the 32nd ranked QB based on some metrics...but rather it seems that some in the media/twitterverse really just want to prove they were "right" about this guy or that guy. At the end of the day, I honestly would take Allen over all current QBs except maybe 6 or 7 for the future (Mahomes, Luck, Watson, Mayfield, etc.). If I needed a QB for one post-season run, that would be a different story (Brady, Rodgers, Wilson, Brees, etc.) but for long-term future, I feel good about Allen as the "32nd ranked QB" with supposed "scatter-shot accuracy" (from that term alone I assume the writer of the article never even watched an entire Allen game this season!). Edit: I just googled "Gregg Rosenthal Josh Allen"...the dude hates Allen lol. Not surprised by his unbiased rankings. Edited January 4, 2019 by Johnnycage46 10 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemma Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 Russ Lande thought Ryan Nassib was the #1 player going into the 2013 Draft. Once these guys get something stuck in their head, it'll stay there for awhile. 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessAccepted Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 1000% there are teams higher on this guys list that would do a straight QB trade for Allen. If I were creating a ranking list of Sports Analysts I rank Greg Rosenthal somewhere on the tail end of the list between Sully and the drunk bozo in the Patriots bar. 2 5 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RalphWilson'sNewWar Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 He sums it and my thoughts on Allen up pretty well. i think the really good QBs are able to: - make the mundane plays regularly - the key plays at end of games - Have ability to make WOW plays Allen has 1/3 so far. Let’s see where it goes in 2019. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 Allen will never be a favorite of Rosenthal or those of his ilk. Doesn’t mean a thing now and it won’t when the Bills start winning games. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeginnersMind Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 Names I know: Josh Allen Names I don't know: Greg something. 2 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 Greg Rosenthal is a Patriots fan. I’m sure he thinks the bills a laughing stock (probably with some merit) and gives them no credit. The scary thing is that he’s the best commentator on the Around the NFL podcasts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D521646 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 12 minutes ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said: He sums it and my thoughts on Allen up pretty well. i think the really good QBs are able to: - make the mundane plays regularly - the key plays at end of games - Have ability to make WOW plays Allen has 1/3 so far. Let’s see where it goes in 2019. I totally disagree, not sure what you're seeing, bud. Makes mundane plays of oh I dunno 20 yards down field more regular than any of the other rookies, and on a rope! Wow plays, check! Key plays at the end of the game.. Well, notwithstanding Clays drop, we really didn't have a chance to see any of that this year, but I bet dollars to donuts we see it all next year! I have Mayfield as the best more productive rookie this year, well deserved, he earned it, and I have Darnold and Allen with about the same weapons and equal in terms of showing. I think next year we see separation from the top three and I suspect it will be Allen taking the lead! Tim- 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 The Bills need to study what the Bears did for Trubisky in his 2nd season. I think they are similar style QBs. But Trubisky does have some very good players around him and a big play defense to support the O. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 (edited) First this guy clearly dislikes Allen as a QB. I'm still amazed that Allen can bring out so much venom from these folks. They seem to take the possibility that he might be good personal. My guess is that someone like Allen, not being recruited out of HS and not getting a shot after Jr College and making a mockery of their analytics, threatens their rice bowl. These guys make a living trying to convince us they know what they're talking about and if Allen succeeds it's the equivalent to them of a turd in their punch bowl. Second, guys like this use way to much SUBJECTIVE information so why don't we try this little mental exercise: if Buffalo offered to trade Allen even up for another teams current starting QB how many teams would not take the offer? I'm confident in saying it would be a lot less then 31. I'm guessing it might be as low as 10. Maybe lower. IMO that would be a better gauge of where Allen's performance this year has placed him among NFL QB's. As an aside, one reason Jackson has decent passing numbers is the impact of the Ravens outstanding run game. For Baltimore the play action actually means something. Opposing defenses MUST respect the run on a play action pass. This opens up all sorts of opportunities down the field. Edited January 4, 2019 by CincyBillsFan 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 Rosenthal is an excellent analyst who perhaps overprioritizes accuracy (which, to be fair, is an incredibly important trait). Re: his ranking of Allen, it's fair because he's not simply ranking him based on the last few games. The early season debacles get factored in equally as well. He's not saying he won't improve. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 7 minutes ago, zow2 said: The Bills need to study what the Bears did for Trubisky in his 2nd season. I think they are similar style QBs. But Trubisky does have some very good players around him and a big play defense to support the O. we have the D … 2019 preseason will be all about giving JA help on O. Lot of holes to fill, but if can get some line help and at least one bona fide #1 receiver, maybe also a TE, I think there will be many haters eating crow this time next year. 1 minute ago, dave mcbride said: Rosenthal is an excellent analyst who perhaps overprioritizes accuracy (which, to be fair, is an incredibly important trait). Re: his ranking of Allen, it's fair because he's not simply ranking him based on the last few games. The early season debacles get factored in equally as well. He's not saying he won't improve. if you actually watched the games, ranking Rosen above Allen is insane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 These analysts are making fools of themselves because they won’t admit they are wrong. I was not a fan of Allen predraft, but he played very well in the senior bowl and that made me question my e v a l. If they are not questioning their e v a l by now they will never get rid of their bias. Allen played better than Rosen and equal to Darnold as a rookie. Jackson is a different case. I think he will be good as long as his athletic ability is around. He could be RG3 or Kap, or he could be Vick. That is hard to predict. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS said: we have the D … 2019 preseason will be all about giving JA help on O. Lot of holes to fill, but if can get some line help and at least one bona fide #1 receiver, maybe also a TE, I think there will be many haters eating crow this time next year. if you actually watched the games, ranking Rosen above Allen is insane. He didn't rank Rosen above Allen! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 5 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said: First this guy clearly dislikes Allen as a QB. I'm still amazed that Allen can bring out so much venom from these folks. They seem to take the possibility that he might be good personal. My guess is that someone like Allen, not being recruited out of HS and not getting a shot after Jr College and making a mockery of their analytics, threatens their rice bowl. These guys make a living trying to convince us they know what they're talking about and if Allen succeeds it's the equivalent to them of a turd in their punch bowl. Second, guys like this use way to much SUBJECTIVE information so why don't we try this little mental exercise: if Buffalo offered to trade Allen even up for another teams current starting QB how many teams would not take the offer? I'm confident in saying it would be a lot less then 31. I'm guessing it might be as low as 10. Maybe lower. IMO that would be a better gauge of where Allen's performance this year has placed him among NFL QB's. As an aside, one reason Jackson has decent passing numbers is the impact of the Ravens outstanding run game. For Baltimore the play action actually means something. Opposing defenses MUST respect the run on a play action pass. This opens up all sorts of opportunities down the field. Good point Allen played well despite have an anemic rushing game outside of himself. He had to carry the offence every week and he handled that well for a rookie. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RalphWilson'sNewWar Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 16 minutes ago, D521646 said: I totally disagree, not sure what you're seeing, bud. Makes mundane plays of oh I dunno 20 yards down field more regular than any of the other rookies, and on a rope! Wow plays, check! Key plays at the end of the game.. Well, notwithstanding Clays drop, we really didn't have a chance to see any of that this year, but I bet dollars to donuts we see it all next year! I have Mayfield as the best more productive rookie this year, well deserved, he earned it, and I have Darnold and Allen with about the same weapons and equal in terms of showing. I think next year we see separation from the top three and I suspect it will be Allen taking the lead! Tim- Players that make the mundane regularly...don’t end up with almost sub 50 completion percentages. Key plays at end outside of Miami...he did have the opportunity against the Jets at home. That ended in an INT. but he’s a rookie with a chance to improve! Bring on 2019. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 (edited) 15 minutes ago, zow2 said: The Bills need to study what the Bears did for Trubisky in his 2nd season. I think they are similar style QBs. But Trubisky does have some very good players around him and a big play defense to support the O. I think Allen is a much better prospect than Trubisky. Edited January 4, 2019 by billspro 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 (edited) Why must every metric/analysis of Allen that isn't gushing be met with such disdain? People are not out to get Allen. He didn't p*** in anyone's Cheerios. The sheer passing numbers don't paint a pretty picture. There is context as the supporting cast isn't great and Allen got markedly better as the year progressed. I suppose they could have added a disclaimer that the Bills offense was the Little Giants. That would have made everyone feel better. This particular writer places Allen ahead of Rosen. We took the right Josh. Isn't that a good thing? Edited January 4, 2019 by LSHMEAB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 Don't know who this guy is. He did say he based it upon his admittedly subjective analysis. So it's just some guy with an opinion. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 5 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: He didn't rank Rosen above Allen! Ah, 2 for the Ravens. I do feel better now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 (edited) 24 minutes ago, zow2 said: The Bills need to study what the Bears did for Trubisky in his 2nd season. I think they are similar style QBs. But Trubisky does have some very good players around him and a big play defense to support the O. Yep. Very similar QB's. Get Allen some guys with speed/large catch radius and we could see a huge leap next year. Bears added Gabriel and Robinson and drafted Anthony Miller. We've also got to address the line but have plenty of resources to do it. Not Bills related, but how the hell did Nick Mullens rush for -16 yards this season? This isn't college where sacks are rushing yards. That's just an odd thing. Edited January 4, 2019 by LSHMEAB 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Bills fans are way too easily offended as it relates to Josh Allen. Not every national pundit needs to give him a glowing review. It's fine. We're all excited about Allen, sure, but it's not the end of the world that non-Bills fans need more convincing. Who cares? Let the kid change their minds with his play on the field. The amount of hurt feelings and persistent pestering I see from Bills fans on Twitter and elsewhere any time someone gives Allen anything but praise is just crazy to me. Ease up. Breathe. It'll all be okay! 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 4 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said: Why must every metric/analysis of Allen that isn't gushing be met with such disdain? People are not out to get Allen. He didn't p*** in anyone's Cheerios. The sheer passing numbers don't paint a pretty picture. There is context as the supporting cast isn't great and Allen got markedly better as the year progressed. I suppose they could have added a disclaimer that the Bills offense was the Little Giants. That would have made everyone feel better. This particular writer places Allen ahead of Rosen. We took the right Josh. Isn't that a good thing? I don't feel like I need to defend Allen against every analyst and critic. I do feel I need to defend Allen against "fans" who want him to be a bust. In the end, only JA winning games will change minds. He will. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RalphWilson'sNewWar Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 4 minutes ago, Logic said: I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Bills fans are way too easily offended as it relates to Josh Allen. Not every national pundit needs to give him a glowing review. It's fine. We're all excited about Allen, sure, but it's not the end of the world that non-Bills fans need more convincing. Who cares? Let the kid change their minds with his play on the field. The amount of hurt feelings and persistent pestering I see from Bills fans on Twitter and elsewhere any time someone gives Allen anything but praise is just crazy to me. Ease up. Breathe. It'll all be okay! One of the lingering effects of nearly 20 years of being an awful sports franchise. Left it’s fans so desperate for anything that anything that might even resemble being good to latched on with unhealthy grip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racketmaster Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 At least he begrudgingly ranked Allen just ahead of Rosen. Rosen was terrible this year and his summary of him was much more optimistic than Allen’s. He has never been an Allen believer and that is his opinion so it is what it is. If I were starting a franchise right now there are not more than a half dozen quarterbacks that I would take over Allen going forward. Allen has top 3 qb potential and barring injury should end up at least a top 10 qb for years to come. Allen will have to become a pro bowl qb for a couple of years before Rosenthal gives up his opinion that Allen is a bad qb. Tannehill, Flacco, Mullins etc. ahead of Allen lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 1 minute ago, JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS said: I don't feel like I need to defend Allen against every analyst and critic. I do feel I need to defend Allen against "fans" who want him to be a bust. In the end, only JA winning games will change minds. He will. There are no Bills fans who want Allen to bust. There are Bills fans who can put their emotions aside and logically evaluate the state of the team. Plenty of people don't like our starting left tackle. I suppose they want to see Dawkins bust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 1 hour ago, CommonCents said: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001007337/article/qb-index-patrick-mahomes-leads-yearend-rankings Allen at 32nd. Scattershot accuracy How could Jackson be higher than Allen as he runs and doesn’t pass well? I hope Josh stays motivated and crushes it next year. Because Rosenthal is an idiot. Take a look at the QBs he has Lamar Jackson ahead of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bills Blog Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 This is legitimately reckless and hilarious. In all seriousness, this guy should probably lose his job. It couldn't be more obvious that he's just looking at stats, and even with that information in hand, his rankings are questionable at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 3 minutes ago, Logic said: I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Bills fans are way too easily offended as it relates to Josh Allen. Not every national pundit needs to give him a glowing review. It's fine. We're all excited about Allen, sure, but it's not the end of the world that non-Bills fans need more convincing. Who cares? Let the kid change their minds with his play on the field. The amount of hurt feelings and persistent pestering I see from Bills fans on Twitter and elsewhere any time someone gives Allen anything but praise is just crazy to me. Ease up. Breathe. It'll all be okay! It's not hurt feelings. I've read many expert criticisms of Allen that were balanced & objective. I actually enjoy reading those types of articles as they help me set realistic expectations for Allen going into his 2nd year. I believe that fair & accurate criticism of the Bills QB is welcomed by the vast majority of Bills fans. But so much of what passes for expert criticism of Allen seems deeply personal to me. Bottom line is that in all my years of following the NFL I can't remember a QB as seemingly disliked by the experts as Allen. Maybe Vick but then again he had a much bigger cheering section among the experts. I just don't get why a seemingly decent kid like Allen with an interesting rags to riches story and possessing outstanding physical tools would generate this much antipathy. Why is this guy even divisive? I just don't get it. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 8 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said: Yep. Very similar QB's. Get Allen some guys with speed/large catch radius and we could see a huge leap next year. Bears added Gabriel and Robinson and drafted Anthony Miller. We've also got to address the line but have plenty of resources to do it. Better pieces around Allen will be nice, but it's also about Nagy and the type of plays being called. Trubisky went from a 59% passer to over 66%. That's huge. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bills Blog Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 Josh Allen raises the level of play of his teammates and singlehandedly carried the Bills offense this year. He was 5-5 with the worst offensive talent in football. He was historically great running the ball. These rankings seem to be based on a review of his raw passing stats, which is wildly unfair and not representative of him as a player. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 59 minutes ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said: He sums it and my thoughts on Allen up pretty well. i think the really good QBs are able to: - make the mundane plays regularly - the key plays at end of games - Have ability to make WOW plays Allen has 1/3 so far. Let’s see where it goes in 2019. Allen -makes key plays at the end of games -has the ability to make WOW plays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 4 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said: It's not hurt feelings. I've read many expert criticisms of Allen that were balanced & objective. I actually enjoy reading those types of articles as they help me set realistic expectations for Allen going into his 2nd year. I believe that fair & accurate criticism of the Bills QB is welcomed by the vast majority of Bills fans. But so much of what passes for expert criticism of Allen seems deeply personal to me. Bottom line is that in all my years of following the NFL I can't remember a QB as seemingly disliked by the experts as Allen. Maybe Vick but then again he had a much bigger cheering section among the experts. I just don't get why a seemingly decent kid like Allen with an interesting rags to riches story and possessing outstanding physical tools would generate this much antipathy. Why is this guy even divisive? I just don't get it. Some analysts planted their flag in the "Allen will be a bust!" turf very early on. Many of them are "analytics guys". They now need Allen to fail in order to validate their strongly stated opinions. It IS silly, and there ARE a lot of overly negative, unfairly biased pieces out there. That being said, when Bills fans overreact to those types of pieces -- even though they reek of confirmation bias -- it makes them look childish and silly. Like I said before, Allen will either prove them wrong with his play or he won't. "Trust the process". The thing is, it's not just those types of pieces that get Bills fans riled up. Even articles like the one posted in this thread from Rosenthal seem to offend some Bills fans. Is calling him the 32nd best quarterback in the league really that crazy or unfair at this point? Has he really so firmly proven that he's better than that already? I like Allen a lot, but I don't see what's so unreasonable about what Rosenthal said. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 7 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said: It's not hurt feelings. I've read many expert criticisms of Allen that were balanced & objective. I actually enjoy reading those types of articles as they help me set realistic expectations for Allen going into his 2nd year. I believe that fair & accurate criticism of the Bills QB is welcomed by the vast majority of Bills fans. But so much of what passes for expert criticism of Allen seems deeply personal to me. Bottom line is that in all my years of following the NFL I can't remember a QB as seemingly disliked by the experts as Allen. Maybe Vick but then again he had a much bigger cheering section among the experts. I just don't get why a seemingly decent kid like Allen with an interesting rags to riches story and possessing outstanding physical tools would generate this much antipathy. Why is this guy even divisive? I just don't get it. Maybe they found out he voted for Trump Lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Johnson Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 30 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: He didn't rank Rosen above Allen! No, he ranked Bortles above Allen! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racketmaster Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said: It's not hurt feelings. I've read many expert criticisms of Allen that were balanced & objective. I actually enjoy reading those types of articles as they help me set realistic expectations for Allen going into his 2nd year. I believe that fair & accurate criticism of the Bills QB is welcomed by the vast majority of Bills fans. But so much of what passes for expert criticism of Allen seems deeply personal to me. Bottom line is that in all my years of following the NFL I can't remember a QB as seemingly disliked by the experts as Allen. Maybe Vick but then again he had a much bigger cheering section among the experts. I just don't get why a seemingly decent kid like Allen with an interesting rags to riches story and possessing outstanding physical tools would generate this much antipathy. Why is this guy even divisive? I just don't get it. Good post. I think it is mostly analytics driven. Analytics has become “hot” in recent years and there is nothing wrong with numbers as they can be quite useful. However, we may be getting to a breaking point where analytics (especially at the college level) are overvalued. And because Allen was so bad when being analyzed by the analytics crowd (those that look primarily at just the numbers), they cannot fathom Allen being any good. Essentially, if Allen becomes good the analytics crowd takes a big hit and they don’t want that. In this sense, Allen is kinda like our current president. People have dug into their sides and there is no room for compromise. So those in the analytics community continue to hold onto the numbers (particularly passing numbers) to show that Allen is still bad and the same guy he was in college. Interesting enough, many of the same people praise Jackson even though most all of his talent comes from his running ability, which is absolutely the best the game has ever seen. It’s just comical seeing these folks twist themselves up and lay down contradictory arguments. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelingOnYouboty Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 No need to be sensitive guys. I wouldn't have him at 32 but look at Trubisky ranked at 30 last year and now at 19. Can Josh Allen duplicate Trubisky's second year? If he does we're a playoff team 2018 stats: 14 games | 66.6 pct | 3,223 pass yds | 7.4 ypa | 24 pass TD | 12 INT | 421 rush yds | 3 rush TD 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, The Bills Blog said: Josh Allen raises the level of play of his teammates and singlehandedly carried the Bills offense this year. He was 5-5 with the worst offensive talent in football. He was historically great running the ball. These rankings seem to be based on a review of his raw passing stats, which is wildly unfair and not representative of him as a player. Agree. Lamar Jackson gets credit for sparking his team and being an awesome running QB. Allen gets a bit of a red flag for running too much. His running stats as well as Allen's should be looked at as their entire productivity as QB's. Moving the chains with a run evens out any poor passes and drops in my opinion.,,,but it's not really viewed that way. Now, there's no doubt Allen must get his completion % higher as he moves forward if he ever wants to lead Buffalo to a SB victory. The running will level off, it always does. But for the 2018 season, When i look at the first downs he gained and the chunk run plays... he was very good, especially in those final 6 games. In my view of his play, Allen finished with 18 TDs, 12 INTs. Lamar finished with 11 and 3. That's pretty darn good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 Allen’s play will eventually prove these knuckleheads right or wrong. He certainly is the best prospect we’ve had since Kelly. He may only end up average, or a stud. It’s what he does this off season will show what he can do. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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