LSHMEAB Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 Yep. Thought he was a trash prospect and still did before the injury. Now I think he has a legitimate chance to be the guy. He's got an entire offseason to work on mechanics, footwork that will theoretically lead to slightly improved accuracy. Don't believe he'll ever be a pinpoint passer, but he does so many other things well that doesn't have to be. In order to be a top tier QB, he does, however, need to improve touch and recognition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 23 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: The Detroit game was the only game I was not able to watch this year. I'm curious how Detroit was able to put the clamps on Allen in that game. 9 rushes for only 16 yards. I think there may have been a couple kneel downs in that game but still 16 yards is nothing for Josh. Matt Patricia coaches the Lions. The Pats, who the Bills played the next week, held him in check too. Note that Patricia is a Pats guy at root. In both games, the D dropped their LBs into shallow zones across the width of the field to take away that skill of his. There's a price you pay when you do that (a lot of open receivers), but it worked. It's what Belichick always does -- try to take away your gamebreaker. That's what Allen is when he runs. The next step for him is to become the sort of QB who can exploit that strategy, and that means he needs to really improve his short game (in terms of both field reading and accuracy). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 1 minute ago, LSHMEAB said: Yep. Thought he was a trash prospect and still did before the injury. Same here. Complete 180 since the bye week and injury. Was happy after the Vikings game but then the Packers, Titans and Texans games were duds. And I thought this who Josh is. He just won't ever get it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 Not to any great degree. The first time I saw the stat line, I thought he was going to be a flop, but once I sat down and actually watched some of his college games, it was readily apparent why he was considered a high pick. Everyone talks about the accuracy issue, but I never saw him as inherently inaccurate. He was inconsistent, but he didn't have much help, either. When #7 came up, I was still a slight lean toward Rosen as the 'safer' pick, but I was not disappointed that they took Allen at all. That being said, he was better than I expected him to be as a rookie, especially on an offense largely devoid of talent. He's already a decent player. Now we just need to see if he can clean up the rough edges in his game and take the next step. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoTom Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 I don't follow college football, so I really had no opinion about him before the draft. After he was picked and I read all the draft reports and expert analyses, I expected him to be a two-to-three year project, and a risky one at that. Now I see that if he'd had a better team around him, we could be preparing for a playoff game this week. So in that respect, yes, my opinion has changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 Yeah. I was in the Rosen camp and had talked negatively about Allen before we drafted him. Once we drafted him I was disappointed. But I got on board pretty quickly because I do trust Beane and McDermott and figured they knew what they were doing. I do think the praise for Allen is getting a little out of hand. There is no way to know still how it will turn out for him. He must get better. But he finished the season on a high note and he has certainly showed his great potential. I love his running ability and his aggressive style of pushing the ball down the field. He needs to work on the short game and be willing to take two or three yards sometimes. Also, obviously, he needs to continue working on mechanics to improve his accuracy. He also needs to work on touch passes. I think all his problems are fixable. Rosen also seemed to struggle a lot, more than Allen. He threw the most pick 6's in the league. His team is the worst in the NFL. Allen came in after his injury and elevated the offense single handedly. Rosen doesn't seem to be a QB that can do that, although he'll probably do a lot better when he gets talent around him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mabden Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 "has your opinion changed on him since draft night?" No, Allen is everything I imagined and more. Loved him as a draft pick and love him as a Buffalo Bill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 8 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said: Yep. Thought he was a trash prospect and still did before the injury. Now I think he has a legitimate chance to be the guy. He's got an entire offseason to work on mechanics, footwork that will theoretically lead to slightly improved accuracy. Don't believe he'll ever be a pinpoint passer, but he does so many other things well that doesn't have to be. In order to be a top tier QB, he does, however, need to improve touch and recognition. 6 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: Matt Patricia coaches the Lions. The Pats, who the Bills played the next week, held him in check too. Note that Patricia is a Pats guy at root. In both games, the D dropped their LBs into shallow zones across the width of the field to take away that skill of his. There's a price you pay when you do that (a lot of open receivers), but it worked. It's what Belichick always does -- try to take away your gamebreaker. That's what Allen is when he runs. The next step for him is to become the sort of QB who can exploit that strategy, and that means he needs to really improve his short game (in terms of both field reading and accuracy). These are all areas he needs to work on and I believe experience will be the biggest contributing factor with regard to recognition. He will eventually learn when he needs to take those short throws that he passes up on now for the "chunk" plays. But, honestly, I hope he never loses that desire to look for that 20-40 yard throw first. In regard to accuracy, I do not believe he will ever be a high precision passer; however, I do not think he needs to be. I believe he has more than enough ability to put the ball on target and give his receivers a chance to make plays. His ceiling is even higher than I thought it would be. I am pretty optimistic right now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mabden Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 30 minutes ago, racketmaster said: Watching his Wyoming games you could immediately see he was a special talent. His arm talent, size and athleticism jumps off the screen. You saw (especially his 2017 year) that he had little to no supporting cast. He played alot of “hero” ball and he loved to push the ball down the field even though he had limited weapons on the outside. What I really liked was the kids competitive fire and the fact he never threw his teammates under the bus for not helping him in any way. No bad facial expressions or complaining. One play caught my eye and it was one of the first games I saw of Allen. It was the Iowa game and there was a play where there was a jailbreak and Allen ended up running around the pocket breaking and dragging Iowa defenders. It may have been a no gain play but it literally took 7-8 Iowa defenders to bring him down to the ground. He fought so hard and would not give up. It’s something in his character and it shows in his play (often good like extending plays to Ivory last week) and other times throwing the ball up to a Jets defender a few weeks ago when he was trying to do to much. He is competitive and has a hard time giving up on a play. I think most of his critics (speaking of Bills fans) had not watched a lot of his games if any. Sky’s the limit with this kid. 6 I watched as many Wyoming games I could get a hold of and agree. This kid is special and a great fit for Buffalo. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsInWilmingtonNC Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 I wanted Rosen, but that was just based on watching highlight videos. I knew the pick would come down to the interviews that they had and was skeptical on how Rosen would look during those. From what I’ve seen from Allen, his personality is one that any coach would love to have on their team, and I’m not surprised/disappointed that he is a Buffalo Bill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 What's going on around him moving forward is the biggest key. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 20 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: Matt Patricia coaches the Lions. The Pats, who the Bills played the next week, held him in check too. Note that Patricia is a Pats guy at root. In both games, the D dropped their LBs into shallow zones across the width of the field to take away that skill of his. There's a price you pay when you do that (a lot of open receivers), but it worked. It's what Belichick always does -- try to take away your gamebreaker. That's what Allen is when he runs. The next step for him is to become the sort of QB who can exploit that strategy, and that means he needs to really improve his short game (in terms of both field reading and accuracy). In that game Stafford did a good job of moving the chains and they also ran the ball pretty well limiting the offensive opportunities for Allen too - I could be wrong, but I felt like Detroit owned the time of possession and field position battle. Would have to go back and look at the game logs. And as you said, I think they kept Josh hemmed into the pocket and forced him into a game of quick reads to underneath options that he was not ready for yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 25 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said: Yep. Thought he was a trash prospect and still did before the injury. Now I think he has a legitimate chance to be the guy. He's got an entire offseason to work on mechanics, footwork that will theoretically lead to slightly improved accuracy. Don't believe he'll ever be a pinpoint passer, but he does so many other things well that doesn't have to be. In order to be a top tier QB, he does, however, need to improve touch and recognition. 22 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: Same here. Complete 180 since the bye week and injury. Was happy after the Vikings game but then the Packers, Titans and Texans games were duds. And I thought this who Josh is. He just won't ever get it. i'm honestly not trying to be a jerk here guys but I have no clue how somebody can come to such over the top conclusions about a guy so early in their career. "he just wont ever get it".... after 6 games?...… seriously? that's just so silly to me. I don't know how that stuff can be taken seriously. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 I've admitted previously I knew nothing about Josh Allen on draft night and was immediately disappointed with the pick. At this point I'm ready to fight anyone who says he isn't going to be our franchise QB for the next 15 years. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 I was hot on draft night. I thought we had picked the wrong Josh. I didn't know what to expect from Allen so I remained pessimistic until I saw what he brought to the team. His energy and the way the guys rallied around him, even as a rookie, was evident from the first time he stepped on the field. He has work to do, but the upside is there. I have done a 180 on where I was before. I expect him to improve as they improve the team around him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 My immediate reaction when we selected Allen over Rosen was a gut punch. Then I began watching videos of all his throws that he made this past season and I immediately noticed that all this inaccurate talk of his passes was nonsense. He wasn't inaccurate as much as he was inconsistent which for me meant that he needed work on his mechanics. What wowed me the most about him aside from his rocket arm was that he was actually very accurate on his 20-30 yard lasers. He always is looking downfield and he is trying to make plays. After watching him I thought to myself that this guy has the potential to be an elite outside the pocket passer in this league. I think he has a very unique skill set and if Daboll can continue to build the offense around that skill set and we get him a good O-line with an additional playmaker or two to compliment Zay and Foster then I think this could be a very high flying offense in the coming years. He truly is one of the most exciting players in this league. I believe he has incredible work ethic, a desire to succeed and the skill set to do some very special things in the league for this team. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 4 minutes ago, eball said: I've admitted previously I knew nothing about Josh Allen on draft night and was immediately disappointed with the pick. At this point I'm ready to fight anyone who says he isn't going to be our franchise QB for the next 15 years. I suggest yelling COME AT ME BRO! That always works. I'm in this boat, too, though I recovered from the initial shock quickly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cotton Fitzsimmons Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 1 hour ago, Antonio said: Like night and day. He was the QB I didn´t want at all and with Rosen sitting there for us to take I almost had a heart attack when he was announced. I admit I was wrong, he could still "bust" by not beeing an Elit QB like we want him to be, but I don´t think he would be a Bortles/Locker/EJ/Losman/Russell kind of QB. But still, my guy was Mayfield and I still think he would be the better QB in the long run. He just has it. I just hope that Allen vs Mayfield vs Darnol are our new rivarly ala Kelly vs Marino and Elwey Antonio, my good fellow, you make excellent points. YE OLE was in the same boat with this pick on draft night and completely hated it. YE OLE had, in fact, convinced himself that Baker was the superior prospect and when he was off the board wanted Darnold or Rosen ahead of Allen. As as we stand here today... as good as Baker was this year, I’m not convinced he will ultimately be better than Allen. That’s not a knock on Baker... he’s going to be very good. He might even be great in the vein of a Drew Brees type of passer. The difference to me is that nobody doubted that Allen going in to this draft had physically superior tools in every way, but was simply not capable of playing and may even need 2 years just to sit and watch if he was even going to have a remote chance of success. I was fully expecting him to sail balls into the hospitality tent a la EJ and have no ability to fit the ball into tight windows. When he had to play so early I was excited to see him, but braces for complete disaster. I was completely wrong... he wasn’t completely overmatched by the level of competition and he can zip the ball into really tight windows. He’s probably going to always miss a few throws a game, but he can obviously make plays that very few, if any, other QBs in the league can make. If he puts it all together and begins to think and understand the game at a high level, I believe he will be better than Baker. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills1212 Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 59 minutes ago, matter2003 said: I am special...I rode the short bus to school... Wrong kind of special - but at least now it makes sense to a degree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Murica Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 It did for me. I wanted Baker, Darnold, Rosen, Allen, and then Jackson(if we didn’t trade up). When we took Allen over Rosen I literally yelled, “Noooooooooooooo” and walked out of my friends house. But, after that night it was the mind set he is our guy and I have no ruling in the matter. Even though his completion rate is not good. Anyone that watches the game knows he is better than that, and his WRs/TEs did not help in the cause. I think in the long run if he’s anywhere from 59-63% throughout his career and with the ability to push the ball down field I’ll be okay with that. Plus, if we add some athleticism on the OL and can improve the screen game those numbers will inflate. I’m happy with our entire QB situation at this point in time and just want to build an offense around his skills to the best they can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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