Ted Washington not impressed with Bills DL

[YoloinOhio]

I just heard him interviewed on WGR. He’s a HS DL coach and was talking about how important it is  for linemen to have proper technique, hand usage, etc. Ted was at the game on Sunday and John Murphy asked him what he thought of the Bills DL ...he said nothing against the players or coaches but he didn’t think they used good technique. He sounded very unimpressed but said something along the lines of  “as long as the coaches think that’s acceptable I guess that’s what passes.”  Murphy told him Kyle Williams had played there many years and he said he never really met him, maybe once. Murphy asked him what he thought of Kyle and he said something like meh he’s “solid.” Sheesh ... bill teerlink feels great right now. 

 

Edit: added link to the interview https://app.radio.com/4DvcBgSUKS

Edited December 18, 2018 by YoloinOhio

[buffaloboyinATL]

Maybe they need to start training with fake knives like Aaron Donald does...

[YoloinOhio]

To be fair to Teerlink I think this is something taught heavily in college and by the time they get to this level coaches don’t have time to “teach” technique. I guess it’s more about is deemed “acceptable”  by the staff. 

[CaptnCoke11]

He’s not wrong really.  There’s nothing special about any of the DL on the roster.  

[YoloinOhio]

I think the Bills need to invest in a high end pass rusher at the top of the draft or in FA - they lack elite-ness on that line . They have a bunch of “good” players but no real difference maker 

Edited December 18, 2018 by YoloinOhio

[Bing Bong]

6 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Murphy asked him what he thought of Kyle and he said something like meh he’s “solid.” Sheesh ... bill teerlink feels great right now. 

Harsh. But if anybody could say it it's Ted Washington. And he's not wrong about the DL. I'd have to assume he's talking about Meatball in the context of this season and not dismissing his whole body of work.

[Dadonkadonk]

2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

To be fair to Teerlink I think this is something taught heavily in college and by the time they get to this level coaches don’t have time to “teach” technique. I guess it’s more about is deemed “acceptable”  by the staff. 

Ok that post is the exact opposite of what McD says all the time. Additionally they can't hit in OTAs so what else would they work on?

3 minutes ago, CaptnCoke11 said:

He’s not wrong really.  There’s nothing special about any of the DL on the roster.  

Hughes has been a nightmare to defend all year. The rest are average. Star is a space eater. 

3 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

I think the Bills need to invest in a high end pass rusher at the top of the draft or in FA - they lack elite-ness on that line . They have a bunch of “good” players but no real difference maker 

Yes but at OLB not DE. 

[YoloinOhio]

3 minutes ago, Dadonkadonk said:

Ok that post is the exact opposite of what McD says all the time. Additionally they can't hit in OTAs so what else would they work on?

I’m referring more to the week to week in season. They are focusing on the game plan, not fundamentals of playing the position. They should come in knowing those things. Position coaches should enhance what they already can do. You can draft kids out of college with supreme technique and hands usage. Not enough practices in the NFL to start from the beginning. That’s just my understanding ... maybe the Bills do things differently. But if so, sounds like it’s not helping. 

Edited December 18, 2018 by YoloinOhio

[WhyteDwarf]

Isn't Ted Washington the 'Paul small *****" guy?  iirc he was quite the jerk.

[Dadonkadonk]

Lol, neither of us really knows. But in-season you are probably correct. But I think they teach technique in the NFL quite a bit. Of course you can draft kids with great technique but my guess is they prioritize physical talent and think they can teach the technique 

[ganesh]

10 minutes ago, CaptnCoke11 said:

He’s not wrong really.  There’s nothing special about any of the DL on the roster.  

+1. While they have done a decent job in the Run game, their pass completions have been average and the Red Zone defense has been atrocious.

[YoloinOhio]

2 minutes ago, Dadonkadonk said:

Lol, neither of us really knows. But in-season you are probably correct. But I think they teach technique in the NFL quite a bit. Of course you can draft kids with great technique but my guess is they prioritize physical talent and think they can teach the technique 

That’s really what Ted was talking about. I don’t know how much they can teach but the Bills need to draft one who is pro-ready or pick one up in FA who is refined. 

Edited December 18, 2018 by YoloinOhio

[Da webster guy]

Not sure how much that means from a 1 tech who pretty much just ate space in the old NFL.

 

Remember when they trained him, it went something like this:  OK Teddy here's your technique:  Try to keep them from grabbing you.  Keep eating a lot so you stay at 355.   Pretend if they push you out of the middle you don't get to eat for a week.  Repeat.

[PIZ]

9 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

I think the Bills need to invest in a high end pass rusher at the top of the draft or in FA - they lack elite-ness on that line . They have a bunch of “good” players but no real difference maker 

 

One stud would turn those "good" players into "great" players, in my opinion.  Do you think they need an elite DE or DT to improve the most?  Where would Josh Allen - KY LB (14 sacks) play on this defense?

 

 

 

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

He has a point ... our DL comes up small when they need to come up big, there's no difference makers on the roster

[YoloinOhio]

Just now, PIZ said:

 

One stud would turn those "good" players into "great" players, in my opinion.  Do you think they need an elite DE or DT to improve the most?  Where would Josh Allen - KY LB (14 sacks) play on this defense?

 

 

 

I watched zero Kentucky football so not sure but hear great things about him. I agree that adding in a difference maker takes everything to the next level. 

[CommonCents]

1 minute ago, Da webster guy said:

Not sure how much that means from a 1 tech who pretty much just ate space in the old NFL.

 

Remember when they trained him, it went something like this:  OK Teddy here's your technique:  Try to keep them from grabbing you.  Keep eating a lot so you stay at 355.   Pretend if they push you out of the middle you don't get to eat for a week.  Repeat.

355 sounded low.

 

He was 6’5 and played at 400 pounds, finished his career at 375.

[Bing Bong]

15 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

I think the Bills need to invest in a high end pass rusher at the top of the draft or in FA - they lack elite-ness on that line . They have a bunch of “good” players but no real difference maker 

It's too bad we can say this about virtually every position. Pretty easy to go BPA in that case. Hyde, Poyer, Tre, and Allen are the only guys for me that have their position shored up. I only don't include Foster because he'd be our #1 next year and i'm not about letting him be the incumbent #1 WR before winning the competition against a proven formidable #1 first.

 

Oh yeah and Hughes

 

That's a pretty scary statement.

Edited December 18, 2018 by BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P

[CajunBillsBacker]

Ted Washington for Dline coach?

[MrEpsYtown]

Bill Teerlink only has the job because his dad was a legend. I'd like to see a more experienced coach working with these guys. Promoting from within after Miek Waufle retired seemed lazy and short sighted. The defensive line should be better than they are. I don't feel Teerlink is getting teh job done. 

 

If Dan Quinn gets fired in Atlanta, I'd love to see if he'd come here to be a D-line coach and Assistant head coach, or even replace Leslie Frazier. He and Sean McDermott go way back to William and Mary days. 

[Phil The Thrill]

4 minutes ago, Da webster guy said:

Not sure how much that means from a 1 tech who pretty much just ate space in the old NFL.

 

Remember when they trained him, it went something like this:  OK Teddy here's your technique:  Try to keep them from grabbing you.  Keep eating a lot so you stay at 355.   Pretend if they push you out of the middle you don't get to eat for a week.  Repeat.

 

Say what you will but there have been a lot of big fan nose guards.  Few were as effective as Ted Washington was.  Yes he ate up space but he also made some big tackles.

 

Kudos to Ted E. for speaking his mind 

[Bing Bong]

3 minutes ago, CajunBillsBacker said:

Ted Washington for Dline coach?

I certainly like his frankness and desire for better.

[dave mcbride]

12 minutes ago, WhyteDwarf said:

Isn't Ted Washington the 'Paul small *****" guy?  iirc he was quite the jerk.

Ted Washington is one of the most dominant defensive players the Bills have ever had. 

[Bing Bong]

2 minutes ago, Phil The Thrill said:

 

Say what you will but there have been a lot of big fan nose guards.  Few were as effective as Ted Washington was.  Yes he ate up space but he also made some big tackles.

 

Kudos to Ted E. for speaking his mind 

Yeah I don't mind his frankness at all. Great resume I always assumed he'd be HOF when he retired but I'm probably overrating him there lol.

[WhyteDwarf]

1 minute ago, dave mcbride said:

Ted Washington is one of the most dominant defensive players the Bills have ever had. 

 

Right, but I think he cornered Paul Peck from channel 4 in the locker room one time and said he had a small penis, or something derogatory to that effect.  I know he and Pat Williams were great players, but from memory, Ted Washington was described as a real jerk.

[whatdrought]

I mean, Kyle is great as a complimentary piece- he isn't consistantly wrecking stuff as a number 1. Jerry is a good pass rusher, but at some point you do have to worry about his sack numbers. At best he just needs help to open the offensive line up, at worst he's a #2 pass rusher holding the role of a number one. 

 

Aside from those guy, we have some nice pieces, but nothing above average rotational types. I have high hopes for Dirty Harry, but his ceiling seems to be a less disruptive Kyle. 

 

I know our glaring needs are on the other side of the ball, but if we're not offered a great move down, it's going to be hard to ignore all the Dline blue chip players. I wouldn't mind trading D.K. Metcalf for JJ Arcega-Whiteside and Ed Oliver/Rashan Gary. I also wouldn't mind trading Johnah Williams/Greg Little for David Edwards and Oliver/Gary.

[SCBills]

Obviously it would be great to bring in an elite DL in this offseason but do we want to do that if it comes at the expense of building the Offense? 

 

We have a solid DL set for next year, two high potential linebackers, an elite corner and 3 solid secondary guys in Hyde/Poyer/Johnson.  That defense is good enough to be middle of the pack, potentially Top 10 if young guys continue to grow.  

 

Thats enough in the modern day NFL to win at a high level.   I want Josh to be able to throw 30+ on teams and not have to worry about winning games 14-13.  

 

 

Edited December 18, 2018 by SCBills

[YoloinOhio]

2 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

I mean, Kyle is great as a complimentary piece- he isn't consistantly wrecking stuff as a number 1. Jerry is a good pass rusher, but at some point you do have to worry about his sack numbers. At best he just needs help to open the offensive line up, at worst he's a #2 pass rusher holding the role of a number one. 

 

Aside from those guy, we have some nice pieces, but nothing above average rotational types. I have high hopes for Dirty Harry, but his ceiling seems to be a less disruptive Kyle. 

 

I know our glaring needs are on the other side of the ball, but if we're not offered a great move down, it's going to be hard to ignore all the Dline blue chip players. I wouldn't mind trading D.K. Metcalf for JJ Arcega-Whiteside and Ed Oliver/Rashan Gary. I also wouldn't mind trading Johnah Williams/Greg Little for David Edwards and Oliver/Gary.

Gary is definitely not someone I would spend a high pick on. Now that is someone I have seen play a lot. 

[billsfan89]

26 minutes ago, CaptnCoke11 said:

He’s not wrong really.  There’s nothing special about any of the DL on the roster.  

 

Depends on how you define special. There isn't a dominant Aaron Donald, Mack, or JJ Watt pass rusher on the roster. However Hughes and Lorax are pretty dam good players and Kyle put together a good season too. I think the depth is there too, Murphy is a solid rotational pass rusher, Shaq has shown flashes and is still very young, Star does his role well, Jordan Cameron has been solid, and Phillips has been decent in his rotation. The Bills run 7-8 starting caliber defensive linemen plus Lorax out there fairly consistently which is the modern blueprint for NFL defensive lines. 

 

I would like to see the Bills add an edge rusher in free agency (Although given the massive resources needed on offense I am not sure how they can do that) because I think they need to improve the pass rush I don't think the D-line is a major issue esp if Shaq and Phillips get going. 

[Freddie's Dead]

Randy Cross once described Ted Washington as a "landslide with a helmet".  All props to Fred Smerlas, but Mt. Washington was the best NT the Bills ever had.  It ain't braggin' if you can do it, and if Ted Talks, I'm listening. 

 

His main beef with the technique was that the D lineman today want to get upfield quickly.  Ted was all about leverage, and he clearly feels that should be the same today.  Ted was never about quickness, he just man-handled anyone in front of him.

 

He also said Tasker should be in the HOF, so there's that.  It was great to see Ted on OBL.  Dude played 16 years and still has all his marbles.  

[row_33]

42 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

To be fair to Teerlink I think this is something taught heavily in college and by the time they get to this level coaches don’t have time to “teach” technique. I guess it’s more about is deemed “acceptable”  by the staff. 

 

pro coaches aren't there to teach basic fundamentals

 

if you didn't learn them at an elite college program, your time will be limited

 

 

[whatdrought]

3 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Gary is definitely not someone I would spend a high pick on. Now that is someone I have seen play a lot. 

 

Thoughts? 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

Wasn’t Ted called The Fridge?

Edited December 18, 2018 by ShadyBillsFan

[WhyteDwarf]

1 minute ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

Wasn’t Ted called The Fridge?

 

That would be William Perry, from the Bears.

[YoloinOhio]

3 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

 

Thoughts? 

More hype than substance. I didn’t see dominance. He underachieved in college for what he was touted to be, and appeared soft at times. He is also considered to be talented but raw, not a polished technique guy. When he succeeds it’s frok being more talented, which will decrease significantly at the next level.

Edited December 18, 2018 by YoloinOhio

[TheBeaneBandit]

35 minutes ago, CaptnCoke11 said:

He’s not wrong really.  There’s nothing special about any of the DL on the roster.  

Which is why I have 0% problem with the 1st pick being D Line ?

[whatdrought]

Just now, YoloinOhio said:

More hype than substance. I didn’t see dominance. He underachieved in college for what he was touted to be, and appeared soft at times. 

 

Good heads up. 

 

I've seen some knocks on him regarding injury history and lack of production. He's also concerning as he's a bit of a tweener. I imagine him as more of an Interior guy, but most places call him and edge guy. 

 

It might be that as the draft gets closer, this stellar D-line class starts having some tarnish. 

[YoloinOhio]

3 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

 

Good heads up. 

 

I've seen some knocks on him regarding injury history and lack of production. He's also concerning as he's a bit of a tweener. I imagine him as more of an Interior guy, but most places call him and edge guy. 

 

It might be that as the draft gets closer, this stellar D-line class starts having some tarnish. 

I think he was considered part of that elite group before the season because most expected him to take the next step this year, but he didn’t and he also didn’t play a lot. I’ve seen him in the 2nd rd now. He does have upside. But I would never take him high. 

Edited December 18, 2018 by YoloinOhio

[JaBu]

19 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

Ted Washington is one of the most dominant defensive players the Bills have ever had. 

 

I totally agree. I remember a HC, Jimmy Johnson then with the Dolphins IIRC, saying Ted was the reason the Dolphins lost the game. He was a dominant force.

His father, former Houston Oilers linebacker Ted Washington, Sr. , was also a good player back in the day.

[bills7834]

38 minutes ago, Phil The Thrill said:

 

Say what you will but there have been a lot of big fan nose guards.  Few were as effective as Ted Washington was.  Yes he ate up space but he also made some big tackles.

 

Kudos to Ted E. for speaking his mind 

They shared a stat that was interesting to me. Every defense he played on was top 5 against the run. Pretty impressive when you think 7 teams over 16 years.