Tonight’s game thread Seahawks Vikings

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

Lol.   Stupid coach 

[26CornerBlitz]

The $84M man comes up empty. 

[WideNine]

39 minutes ago, Andy1 said:

I doubt that this horrible int gets much media coverage compared to Allen’s. It was about 4x as bad though. Could have been a pick 6...

 

Allen is waaay under the microscope, and it is what it is. Jim Kelly left a legacy in Buffalo and huge shoes to fill and the pressure and expectations on any new Bills QB has been tough.

 

Media-wise, if there is a way to dump on the Bills and Allen without watching a game, that's what we get. How many 3rd and forevers has Josh had to convert with the zero running game and penalties?

 

Miami has suffered in the wake of Marino, and I think any QB that takes over for NE will have Brady-comparison-issues. Of course in NE I could see Belicheat investing in a defense and winning the division kicking field goals.

Edited December 11, 2018 by WideNine

[Stank_Nasty]

20 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

 

Minutes later diggs comes back to a poorly thrown deep ball and catches one for cousins with a defender draped on him. 

 

Ive been saying it all year. It’s a routine thing around the nfl. I’m so tired of the characters around here on a week to week basis saying guys like clay maybe “could have caught it but it should have been a better throw.” 

 

Wr’s and te’s all around the league are rewarding their qb’s for trusting them and tossing up the area code throws. Meanwhile ours gets crucified for any throw that’s not getting wedged into the wr’s face masks as we know that’s the only way a bills wr can be trusted to routinely hang onto the football. 

Edited December 11, 2018 by Stank_Nasty

[26CornerBlitz]

1 minute ago, Stank_Nasty said:

Minutes later diggs comes back to a poorly thrown deep ball and catches one for cousins with a defender draped on him. 

 

Ive been saying it all year. It’s a routine thing around the nfl. I’m so tired of the characters around here on a week to week basis saying guys like clay maybe “could have caught it but it should have been a better throw.” 

 

Wr’s all around the league are rewarding their qb’s for trusting them and tossing up the area code throws. Meanwhile ours gets crucified for any throw that’s not getting wedged into the wr’s face mask so they can hang onto it. 

 

Just now, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

This is what I'd classify as a great catch.  Haven't seen one like it from the Bills' receiving corps this season. 

 

[Stank_Nasty]

1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

 

Precisely. 

[HappyDays]

4 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said:

I’m so tired of the characters around here on a week to week basis saying guys like clay maybe “could have caught it but it should have been a better throw.” 

 

What do you mean? This would have been the catch of the year:

 

 

[26CornerBlitz]

Does he think his name is Josh?

 

[PolishPrince]

1 minute ago, Stank_Nasty said:

Minutes later diggs comes back to a poorly thrown deep ball and catches one for cousins with a defender draped on him. 

 

Ive been saying it all year. It’s a routine thing around the nfl. I’m so tired of the characters around here on a week to week basis saying guys like clay maybe “could have caught it but it should have been a better throw.” 

 

Wr’s and te’s all around the league are rewarding their qb’s for trusting them and tossing up the area code throws. Meanwhile ours gets crucified for any throw that’s not getting wedged into the wr’s face masks as we know that’s the only way a bills wr can be trusted to routinely hang onto the football. 

Same thing I keep seeing people say about Allen passes where he barely misses a throw and someone goes "well across the field he had an even easier throw he just didnt see it." I watched Cousins throw to his backup tight end (this was right after the same guy had a Zay Joneseque drop) and he is stopped one yard short of first down... well Rudolph was MORE open and had enough for First down, but Cousins going through his progressions had a play with a faster read (even though someone was MORE open elsewhere).

 

The fact is sadly is because Allen was made to sound super inaccurate and cant make reads coming out of college, people are going to over react to every little slightly off throw or "not the best" read. Its kind of driving me nuts tbh, i've disliked most of Bills since Bledsoe, but Allen has shown a crap ton of potential and to me as thrown MANY MORE fantastic "dime throws" than he has missed easy ones. Throws we havent seen since Bledsoe

[Stank_Nasty]

2 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

What do you mean? This would have been the catch of the year:

 

 

LOLOL. Right? 

 

This is the one @jrober38 categorized as “awful” and thrown “at his ankles” 

 

no agenda there or anything. 

[DRA3196]

I am so glad we don't have anything to do with Cousins. Besides Hainesworth is he the biggest FA bust in history?

[26CornerBlitz]

Goodnight Skol! Thanks for coming to the Emerald City.

[WideNine]

25 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

 

 

The Vikes know how to evaluate receivers...the Bills not-so-much.

 

Even after blowing a bunch of picks to move up they went all-in to grab "Mr. Glass" Watkins.

 

Had an attitude even after getting a flat in his first training camp, and either hurt and not playing, or a tackle away from not finishing a game.

 

 

Edited December 11, 2018 by WideNine

[Aussie Joe]

How can the Vikings actually be much worse this year with Cousins over Keenum last year?

 

Just think of their fans 4 months ago dreaming about a championship...

 

 

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, WideNine said:

 

The Vikes know how to evaluate receivers...the Bills not-so-much.

 

Even after blowing a bunch of picks to move up they went all-in to grab "Mr. Glass" Watson.

 

Had an attitude even after getting a flat in his first training camp, and either hurt and not playing, or a tackle away from not finishing a game.

 

 You have selective amnesia.  Over 2000 yards receiving in his 1st two Bills' season with 15 TDs with EJ, Orton, and Tyrod as his QBs in run oriented offenses. 

[zow2]

Minnesota got hosed on the Bobby Wagner blocked FG.  Shoulda been a 15 yd penalty for clearly using leverage.  Another game changing play by the refs.

[26CornerBlitz]

1 minute ago, zow2 said:

Minnesota got hosed on the Bobby Wagner blocked FG.  Shoulda been a 15 yd penalty for clearly using leverage.  Another game changing play by the refs.

 

Missed it!

 

 

[WideNine]

33 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

 You have selective amnesia.  Over 2000 yards receiving in his 1st two Bills' season with 15 TDs with EJ, Orton, and Tyrod as his QBs in run oriented offenses. 

 

Probably...and old age  - misspelled his name too, but I know I wasn't the only one who felt that the juice just wasn't worth the squeeze with Watkins

 

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/05/02/bills-were-smart-to-admit-sammy-watkins-mistake/

 

Admittedly, looking at his "poor stats" in this article and thinking about our current crop of receivers - gives me some perspective, but the injuries...

 

The talent was there, but I think the Bills made the right move letting him go.

 

He is making top receiver money, but has never been to the Pro Bowl or had more than 65 receptions in a season. He had just one 1,000-yard season (when he caught 60 passes for 1,047 yards in 2015 ) and was plagued with injuries (foot, ankle, hip and calf) when here, and is now out 4-6 weeks in KC with... drum roll (foot injury - again).

 

 

Edited December 11, 2018 by WideNine

[YoloinOhio]

4 minutes ago, zow2 said:

Minnesota got hosed on the Bobby Wagner blocked FG.  Shoulda been a 15 yd penalty for clearly using leverage.  Another game changing play by the refs.

Another day, another egregious showing by the officials. 

[KD in CA]

13 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

How can the Vikings actually be much worse this year with Cousins over Keenum last year?

 

Just think of their fans 4 months ago dreaming about a championship...

 

 

 

Primarily their defense, which has dropped off dramatically since last year.

 

But Cousins and the O have played some horrible games.

[Aussie Joe]

2 minutes ago, KD in CA said:

 

Primarily their defense, which has dropped off dramatically since last year.

 

But Cousins and the O have played some horrible games.

 

Any changes on their D personnel wise from last year?

 

 

 

 

16 minutes ago, zow2 said:

Minnesota got hosed on the Bobby Wagner blocked FG.  Shoulda been a 15 yd penalty for clearly using leverage.  Another game changing play by the refs.

 

Vikings must be small market bottom feeding losers like us...

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

19 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

How can the Vikings actually be much worse this year with Cousins over Keenum last year?

 

Just think of their fans 4 months ago dreaming about a championship...

 

 

 

Not a cousins fan. So I’m going to with Keenum is simply better. 

 

[KD in CA]

Just now, Aussie Joe said:

 

Any changes on their D personnel wise from last year?

 

 

 

 

 

Probably, since that’s the nature of football.  Regardless, it’s apparent they aren’t playing anywhere near the level they were in 2017, when they were a dominant unit.

1 minute ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

 

Not a cousins fan. So I’m going to with Keenum is simply better. 

 

 

Yes, Denver must be thrilled with how that worked out.

[Aussie Joe]

Just now, KD in CA said:

 

Probably, since that’s the nature of football.  Regardless, it’s apparent they aren’t playing anywhere near the level they were in 2017, when they were a dominant unit.

 

I find it interesting that a year ago Zimmer was a defensive genius.. now they cant beat anybody...

 

The "nature of football" is right.. a year is an eternity in this game...

[KD in CA]

5 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

 

I find it interesting that a year ago Zimmer was a defensive genius.. now they cant beat anybody...

 

The "nature of football" is right.. a year is an eternity in this game...

 

Yup.  Coaches and QBs will always get too much credit or too much blame.

[Big Turk]

56 minutes ago, DRA3196 said:

I am so glad we don't have anything to do with Cousins. Besides Hainesworth is he the biggest FA bust in history?

I was trying to tell people, the dude doesn't make a difference the way a franchise QB needs to make a difference when he is eating up that much of your cap...I was a very vocal critic of his and I am glad to see that my instincts were proven right.

24 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

 

I find it interesting that a year ago Zimmer was a defensive genius.. now they cant beat anybody...

 

The "nature of football" is right.. a year is an eternity in this game...

It just goes to show you in some ways each season is its own self-contained entity...teams get hot or go on streaks and sometimes never recapture it again even with almost all the same key players...

[TheFunPolice]

Vikings seem off this year...

 

 

[jr1]

 

[GETTOTHE50]

1 hour ago, zow2 said:

Minnesota got hosed on the Bobby Wagner blocked FG.  Shoulda been a 15 yd penalty for clearly using leverage.  Another game changing play by the refs.

 

Officials absolutely love to call obvious beneficial home games for the c-hawks.

 

Look at:  Greenbay vs Seahawks (replacements) & Ryan Carpenter (roughing the kicker/Offside/personal foul by Sherman).

 

The 12th man saying in Seattle is absolutely true.. it just pertains to the refs. 

[PolishPrince]

1 hour ago, Stank_Nasty said:

LOLOL. Right? 

 

This is the one @jrober38 categorized as “awful” and thrown “at his ankles” 

 

no agenda there or anything. 

So glad you called him out. Even after seeing screen shots he was still justifying his position LOL

[WideNine]

1 hour ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

 

Not a cousins fan. So I’m going to with Keenum is simply better. 

 

 

The chemistry thing on teams is a dicey thing to mess with. I think we have all seen teams bring in high-priced talent and flat-out play worse. Heck, that has been the Redskins modus operandi for years...

 

They did change their OC, but the defensive coaches are the same.

 

The Vikings (much like our Bills) have a reputation for snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

Edited December 11, 2018 by WideNine

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

7 hours ago, KD in CA said:

 

Yes, Denver must be thrilled with how that worked out.

 

middling QB play for half the price and way less commitment.  I’d say happier then Minny who threw away an otherwise championship caliber roster on a franchise set back QB deal. 

[DabillsDaBillsDaBills]

8 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

 

Not a cousins fan. So I’m going to with Keenum is simply better. 

 

 

QB A

Completion 61.8% for 3,139 yards 15 TD 10 INTs

 

QB B

Completion 71.3% for 3,490 yards 23 TD 9 INTs

 

One of these QBs is clearly better, and it's not Keenum...

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Thank goodness the bills didn't waste money on Kirk Cousins

 

[Stank_Nasty]

7 hours ago, PolishPrince said:

So glad you called him out. Even after seeing screen shots he was still justifying his position LOL

Right. The dude is delusional. That’s the sad part. He says he went back and rewatched it and it was an awful pass. That’s seriously ABSURD. 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

7 minutes ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said:

 

QB A

Completion 61.8% for 3,139 yards 15 TD 10 INTs

 

QB B

Completion 71.3% for 3,490 yards 23 TD 9 INTs

 

One of these QBs is clearly better, and it's not Keenum...

 

QB B is Keenum last year as a Viking? 

 

 

 Cousins, the stat machine that never fails to come up small in big moments. 4-24 vs winning teams in career. Downgrade for the Vikings. 

[DCOrange]

9 hours ago, DRA3196 said:

I am so glad we don't have anything to do with Cousins. Besides Hainesworth is he the biggest FA bust in history?

 

I don't really get this at all, and I don't mean to single you out because a lot of other people have made the same point.

 

Cousins isn't even the worst QB contract given out in the past couple years much less the biggest FA bust of any position in NFL history. Over the next 3 years, he'll make less money than Matt Stafford, the same amount as Jimmy Garappolo, and roughly $10 mil more than Alex Smith, who might never play football again; 2 of which we know with certainty are worse than Cousins and the other has started 10 games in his entire career.

 

People have exaggerated the hell out of the fact that Cousins' contract is fully guaranteed. Most QB contracts are effectively fully guaranteed for 3 years too because the way they're structured makes it a nightmare to get out of their contracts before then.

29 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

 

QB B is Keenum last year as a Viking? 

 

 

 Cousins, the stat machine that never fails to come up small in big moments. 4-24 vs winning teams in career. Downgrade for the Vikings. 

Shocking that a guy that has played on bad teams his entire career has a losing record against good teams.

9 hours ago, KD in CA said:

 

Primarily their defense, which has dropped off dramatically since last year.

 

But Cousins and the O have played some horrible games.

Their defense was brutal early in the year but they've locked in recently and are back up to being top 5-10 statistically; basically right up there with how they played last year. The huge difference is that their running game went from one of the top 5-10 in the league to being bottom 5 in the league. The offensive play-calling has also taken a gigantic step back, not to mention last year was probably a bit of a fluke; it was a lot of Keenum just running around throwing up prayers that his WRs bailed him out on.

[eball]

Wow, the defenses certainly seem to be turning the tide lately after the first nearly three months of ridiculous offense!

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

2 hours ago, DCOrange said:

 

I don't really get this at all, and I don't mean to single you out because a lot of other people have made the same point.

 

Cousins isn't even the worst QB contract given out in the past couple years much less the biggest FA bust of any position in NFL history. Over the next 3 years, he'll make less money than Matt Stafford, the same amount as Jimmy Garappolo, and roughly $10 mil more than Alex Smith, who might never play football again; 2 of which we know with certainty are worse than Cousins and the other has started 10 games in his entire career.

 

People have exaggerated the hell out of the fact that Cousins' contract is fully guaranteed. Most QB contracts are effectively fully guaranteed for 3 years too because the way they're structured makes it a nightmare to get out of their contracts before then.

Shocking that a guy that has played on bad teams his entire career has a losing record against good teams.

Their defense was brutal early in the year but they've locked in recently and are back up to being top 5-10 statistically; basically right up there with how they played last year. The huge difference is that their running game went from one of the top 5-10 in the league to being bottom 5 in the league. The offensive play-calling has also taken a gigantic step back, not to mention last year was probably a bit of a fluke; it was a lot of Keenum just running around throwing up prayers that his WRs bailed him out on.

 

Cousins may well be the centerpiece of the ‘gigantic step back’. Looks like Pricey fools gold.  

 

 

 

2 hours ago, Joe in Winslow said:

Thank goodness the bills didn't waste money on Kirk Cousins

 

 

This was the number 1 concern I had last off-season.

 

I’ll give the front office the benefit of the doubt that the reason they never were mentioned a suitors is they watch film and value results. 

[corta765]

I have a buddy who is a big Vikings fan and said talk has already started of cutting him in two seasons because his cap drops. I thought it was kind of nuts but after watching last night I get it.

 

The guy is like Matt Stafford 2.0 great stats but come clutch time he cannot do enough.