Sensing a trend in the game's top performers last three weeks

[captjohnston]

Can't quite put my finger on it...

[gobills1212]

Huh... who'da thunk?!

 

 

[BillsFan130]

Basically shows the Bills have no run game combined with Allen runs a little too much lol

[26CornerBlitz]

1 minute ago, gobills1212 said:

Huh... who'da thunk?!

 

Hadn't even noticed. 

[captjohnston]

These aren't just the top performers for the Bills...they're the top performers for BOTH teams.  Kinda crazy.

[Nextmanup]

4 minutes ago, billsfan11 said:

Basically shows the Bills have no run game combined with Allen runs a little too much lol

Bingo.

 

[Solomon Grundy]

Don't sleep the fact that Robert Foster was the leading receiver in 2 of those games.

[Mrbojanglezs]

1 man show. That's why we aren't winning 

[thenorthremembers]

6 minutes ago, Mrbojanglezs said:

1 man show. That's why we aren't winning 

I don't remember a season where I've seen less explosive type plays from the skill positions.  Outside of Shady's long run against the Jets and Fosters deep touchdown catch I can't recall a play from someone other than Josh where they broke loose for a.long gain.

 

They need speed at the runningback position.  

[Bill_with_it]

The need a rb thats going to hit the hole even when there ia contqct for the three to fibe yard tough gains. Ivory usually does it, however, here recently he hasnt. Its quite ipsetting that the qb faving a stacked line goal line defense knowing hes going to get pummeled can not only get the one yard but almost break it for a huge gain. We need a back that isnt afraid of contact and doesnt hesitate.

[NoHuddleKelly12]

Am so ready for FA and the draft so we can finally stock up around JA.

[Heavy Kevi]

Well with the downfall of Shady, Josh is our only viable option on offense.

 

I believe when he is given some talent around him, the running will take a back seat, but for now he yas to do it all by himself.

[NoHuddleKelly12]

2 hours ago, Shotgunner said:

Well with the downfall of Shady, Josh is our only viable option on offense.

 

I believe when he is given some talent around him, the running will take a back seat, but for now he yas to do it all by himself.

He’s had to grow up quickly and become a man among boys on O. And that’s not always going to be a smooth transition, but I’m encouraged so far. 

[John from Riverside]

Will you stop it please!  We are trying to blame Josh Allen for the losses here

[formerlyofCtown]

3 hours ago, captjohnston said:

Can't quite put my finger on it...

Its as if he is putting the whole team on his back and trying to win the game.

[Big Blitz]

3 hours ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

Am so ready for FA and the draft so we can finally stock up around JA.

 

 

I just feel like we're getting the best of both worlds right now.  Playoffs were not realistic this year....but what did we all agree we had to see..

 

Real progress and promise with Allen---and also now with Zay and Foster.  Bonus.

 

And we're absolutely going to have a top 7 pick. 

 

I'm excited about this team for 2019.  Division will be up for grabs bc the Patriots are just about done.  

 

1.  Draft BPA 1st round trade down trade up idc

2.  Draft/sign oline 

3.  Bring in more depth on dline 

4.  Keep a good mentor QB for Josh

5.  Fire Crossman

[John from Riverside]

1 minute ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

I just feel like we're getting the best of both worlds right now.  Playoffs were not realistic this year....but what did we all agree we had to see..

 

Real progress and promise with Allen---and also now with Zay and Foster.  Bonus.

 

And we're absolutely going to have a top 7 pick. 

 

I'm excited about this team for 2019.  Division will be up for grabs bc the Patriots are just about done.  

 

1.  Draft BPA 1st round trade down trade up idc

2.  Draft/sign oline 

3.  Bring in more depth on dline 

4.  Keep a good mentor QB for Josh

5.  Fire Crossman

What I find pretty amazing is we all pretty much knew what was going to happen to this team this year....and yet somehow some find a way to be upset when we actually lose WE WERE NOT GOING TO WIN

 

We are playing a very raw rookie QB who has is actually surpassing expectations

Our O line was horrible and we knew it.....they were not going to suddenly become good

We have a blessing that we actually found a couple of servicable guys in Foster and McKenzie

We can pretty much seen the needs of the team....they are glaring....and we move forward into a offseason with the resources to fix them

[Big Turk]

If Allen didn't have those kneel downs against the Jags, it would be 3 consecutive weeks with over 100 yards on the ground 

Edited December 10, 2018 by matter2003

[PolishPrince]

4 hours ago, billsfan11 said:

Basically shows the Bills have no run game combined with Allen runs a little too much lol

I disagree he runs too much. This isnt Lamar Jackson running constantly... When Allen runs he is picking up 15, 25, 45 yards at a time. He runs about half as much as Lamar Jackson yet is still putting up more yards.

Plus I dont get why people complain about Allen's running. Are we really complaining about a 25 yard gain third down just because he ran instead of threw?

[John from Riverside]

3 minutes ago, PolishPrince said:

I disagree he runs too much. This isnt Lamar Jackson running constantly... When Allen runs he is picking up 15, 25, 45 yards at a time. He runs about half as much as Lamar Jackson yet is still putting up more yards.

Plus I dont get why people complain about Allen's running. Are we really complaining about a 25 yard gain third down just because he ran instead of threw?

He is also being put out on designed runs and that stupid throw to him in the end zone....Daboll is exposing him to hits and injury

 

He actually was not the same after that end zone catch thing...and came limping back to the huddle on that one......he was taking shot after late shot from the jets and stopped running in the 2nd half that affected his game.

 

He needs to run when he goes through his read and slide to avoid hits.....he IS running too much.

[PolishPrince]

1 minute ago, John from Riverside said:

He is also being put out on designed runs and that stupid throw to him in the end zone....Daboll is exposing him to hits and injury

 

He actually was not the same after that end zone catch thing...and came limping back to the huddle on that one......he was taking shot after late shot from the jets and stopped running in the 2nd half that affected his game.

 

He needs to run when he goes through his read and slide to avoid hits.....he IS running too much.

I agree the stupid philly special was a really dumb call.... You cant really blame Allen for that, thats on Daboll.

[Magox]

I believe Beane will get us the Olinemen, TE, RB and WR's for us to compete via FA and the draft.

 

I believe that McD will continue to get good effort from his players and have this team playing more disciplined football and better red zone D.

 

I believe that special teams will get better next year.

 

I believe Josh Allen will have a significant 2nd year progression 

 

And I believe this team will compete for the division title next year.

 

This is what I expect and believe will happen.

[AllenWillBust]

6 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

Real progress and promise with Allen

What progress?  Yes he can run, but.

[papazoid]

if only he could throw as good as he runs.

 

solid starter.....very unlikely becomes a Top 10 "franchise" QB

 

he's going to get injured

 

better draft another QB in 1st or 2nd round

[Hapless Bills Fan]

11 hours ago, captjohnston said:

Can't quite put my finger on it...

 

Unfortunately what it means is that Josh is trying to carry the whole freakin' team, which is NOT a good thing for his development as a QB.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

11 hours ago, captjohnston said:

Can't quite put my finger on it...

uh we lost the last 2 at the end? 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

7 hours ago, PolishPrince said:

I disagree he runs too much. This isnt Lamar Jackson running constantly... When Allen runs he is picking up 15, 25, 45 yards at a time. He runs about half as much as Lamar Jackson yet is still putting up more yards.

Plus I dont get why people complain about Allen's running. Are we really complaining about a 25 yard gain third down just because he ran instead of threw?

 

Allen was visibly limping after that stupid pass attempt to him.

 

And yes, I'm really complaining about a 25 yard gain on third down if he had an open guy with a clear lane he could have thrown to 21 yds down the field.  He's a QB.  His job is to throw the ball.  If he's too exhausted to make the best throw to win the game because he's running instead of throwing earlier in the game, it's a problem.

 

[AllenWillBust]

4 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Allen was visibly limping after that stupid pass attempt to him.

 

And yes, I'm really complaining about a 25 yard gain on third down if he had an open guy with a clear lane he could have thrown to 21 yds down the field.  He's a QB.  His job is to throw the ball.  If he's too exhausted to make the best throw to win the game because he's running instead of throwing earlier in the game, it's a problem.

 

 

Could not agree more, he needs to stand in the pocket and deliver the ball to guys who are being paid to do the running. The last half of the season was supposed to be for Allen to gain experience and show everyone he is not who he was in college, that's not happening...

[PearlHowardman]

13 minutes ago, AllenWillBust said:

Could not agree more, he needs to stand in the pocket and deliver the ball to guys who are being paid to do the running. The last half of the season was supposed to be for Allen to gain experience and show everyone he is not who he was in college, that's not happening...

 

This^

 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Allen was visibly limping after that stupid pass attempt to him.

 

And yes, I'm really complaining about a 25 yard gain on third down if he had an open guy with a clear lane he could have thrown to 21 yds down the field.  He's a QB.  His job is to throw the ball.  If he's too exhausted to make the best throw to win the game because he's running instead of throwing earlier in the game, it's a problem.

 

His limping had nothing to do with him running to catch a pass.  

 

His playing running back and not QB is what got him injured.  

 

Edited December 10, 2018 by ShadyBillsFan

[JohnC]

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Allen was visibly limping after that stupid pass attempt to him.

 

And yes, I'm really complaining about a 25 yard gain on third down if he had an open guy with a clear lane he could have thrown to 21 yds down the field.  He's a QB.  His job is to throw the ball.  If he's too exhausted to make the best throw to win the game because he's running instead of throwing earlier in the game, it's a problem.

 

Because we don't have a functional running game and he still is in the infantile stage as far as reading defenses and managing the pocket (although getting better at it) he has become our offense. As you pointed out it is not good for him from a health standpoint and also from a developmental standpoint. I agree with you that I would rather see him make the throw than take off and get a good gain. On the plus side he is moving the chains, and on the minus side he is increasing the odds for him to get hurt. 

 

Barkley showed in the first game against the Jets how to run an offense and the benefit in the passing game of making the right reads. Josh Allen still is in the rudimentary stage at learning how to play the position. From what I am observing it seems that Allen is making incremental progress and is coming along. The obvious worry is that because he is so much relying on his legs that he is developing bad habits in bailing out to run and even more worrisome is placing himself in jeopardy by running. 

 

side note: Whether the gimmick pass to Allen worked or not I also didn't like the call. Why expose him to such a risk? If he catches the ball he is fair game to receive a punishing hit. 

Edited December 10, 2018 by JohnC

[billspro]

12 hours ago, captjohnston said:

Can't quite put my finger on it...

 

Josh Allen is basically the entire offence right now. He is carrying the team on his back.

1 hour ago, AllenWillBust said:

 

Could not agree more, he needs to stand in the pocket and deliver the ball to guys who are being paid to do the running. The last half of the season was supposed to be for Allen to gain experience and show everyone he is not who he was in college, that's not happening...

 

I don’t agree with that, he has improved a ton over his college tape.

23 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

His limping had nothing to do with him running to catch a pass.  

 

His playing running back and not QB is what got him injured.  

 

 

Actually he didn’t take a single hit running yesterday. What got him injured is a pathetic oline. He got pressured on 50% of pass plays and hit at least double digit times, even though he was getting it out on time. You can only stand in there and take so many shots during a game. Allen was basically running for his life, if he didn’t he probably wouldn’t have made it through the game.

[PolishPrince]

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Allen was visibly limping after that stupid pass attempt to him.

 

And yes, I'm really complaining about a 25 yard gain on third down if he had an open guy with a clear lane he could have thrown to 21 yds down the field.  He's a QB.  His job is to throw the ball.  If he's too exhausted to make the best throw to win the game because he's running instead of throwing earlier in the game, it's a problem.

 

So you know for a fact, that this throw was available and are not just assuming?

[dakrider]

It was great to see Allen sliding yesterday instead of knocking heads on his runs.  If the defense wants to leave parts of the field wide open, then he should run for it if he can get a first down etc.   And some of the runs were designed plays as well.  

[Hapless Bills Fan]

13 minutes ago, PolishPrince said:

So you know for a fact, that this throw was available and are not just assuming?

 

I enjoy All-22 analysis.  On several of Allen's long runs, there has been a WR or RB open with a clear lane available before Allen crossed the LOS.

 

He's a rookie.  He'll miss things.  He only just adjusted to the fact NFL defenders move way faster than he's used to, now he needs to learn when he has enough space to pause and throw.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

The Bills don't have an offense and Allen's style of play exacerbates the problem. 

 

Nothing comes easy to the Bills. There are no staple plays that work. 

 

So it's Allen running around with scatter shot accuracy. 

 

The line is poor. McCoy is done. How many wasted games do the Bills have this year "trying to get McCoy going" - they still talk about it every pregame with Chris Brown, Tasker, Simon and Murph. Its not 2011 anymore.  

 

So it's just trying to get by on broken plays and scrambles. 

 

They need a real offense.