Kelvin Benjamin Signs a 1-Year Deal with Kansas City; Has a Chance to Impress with Watkins Likely Out Until the Playoffs

[YoloinOhio]

13 minutes ago, Helpmenow said:

He got his wish. Go from a team that isn’t sniffing the playoffs to a real contender 

He was on a playoff team last year. 1 reception for 9 yards #winning

[dubs]

4 minutes ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said:

God I miss having a receiver of Moulds' caliber. That's a weapon we haven't sniffed in 15 years.

 

Yep

 

https://www.buffalobills.com/video/video-eric-moulds-career-highlights-14186613

[Zerovoltz]

6 hours ago, H2o said:

Maybe they're looking at him as a backup TE for Kelce?

 

This is the only reason for KC to sign him if we did it to "help" our own team.  KC is thin at TE after Kelce.  

 

They may well have done this to keep him from Denver as well.

 

Watkins is apparently currently healthy so this signing, if it's about Watson at all, wasn't about Watson this week.

 

Frankly, a good many KC fans are overly happy about this signing and think we are getting the guy who excelled in Carolina, and not the hot mess he's been in Buffalo this year.  

 

If he works hard here and makes a contribution here and NOT in Denver, then I'm good with it....but really not a big deal in my opinion. 

 

Best Case is that he moves to TE and does well, makes himself into a nice thick tall red zone target....worst case...he sits on the bench and does nothing....not costing us much...and he isn't in Denver.

[Moulds_80]

14 minutes ago, dubs said:

 

Eric Moulds is a top 5 favorite Bill of all time. He was incredible. 

my all time number 1 guy,   imagine if we had the moulds-peerless combo with allen throwing to them!!   i miss the years where it was that combo and the wayne-harrison combo in indy were the best tandems

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

10 minutes ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said:

God I miss having a receiver of Moulds' caliber. That's a weapon we haven't sniffed in 15 years.

Steve Johnson in 2010 was so good and so exciting. He was a blip on the radar of Bills history but was so good for a short period in time. It’s a shame that team sucked so bad on defense. We also had Robert Woods, Sammy Watkins, Marquese Goodwin and Chris Hogan all on the same team and didn’t take advantage. The only time we saw that matter was when Orton came in and played at an acceptable nfl level. Orton not coming back and then Marone leaving derailed something that could have been real cool. I think Zay is going to be pretty solid but the QB needs to get the ball to him when he’s open. We need at least 1 more guy.

[1st Ammendment NoMas]

since he was signed, are the Bills responsible for paying this lard of sh^t any money. If he ends up playing well in KC, I will really hate him. He gave no effort at all and was a locker room loser to boot.

[BBills88]

Maybe that was part of his plan.

Now you might see a different K. Benjamin 

[T master]

If he produces & or drops balls like he did here he will only have one or 2 bash the Bills sessions with Sammy & he will be gone especially if Sammy gets healthy & he has the dropsy's !! 

[Joeziehmer]

6 minutes ago, BillsRdue said:

since he was signed, are the Bills responsible for paying this lard of sh^t any money. If he ends up playing well in KC, I will really hate him. He gave no effort at all and was a locker room loser to boot.

Signed for a year my guess is the pre-exisisting contract.  We save that contract and can add to the cap next season.   

Edited December 7, 2018 by Joeziehmer

[Boatdrinks]

6 minutes ago, BillsRdue said:

since he was signed, are the Bills responsible for paying this lard of sh^t any money. If he ends up playing well in KC, I will really hate him. He gave no effort at all and was a locker room loser to boot.

i think salaries are guaranteed if you are on the 53 man roster after week one. His contract wasn’t claimed on waivers, so I believe the Bills are on the hook for the last 4 games. I could be wrong. 

1 minute ago, Joeziehmer said:

Signed for a year my guess is the pre-exisisting contract.  We save that contract and can add to the cap next season.  Building the offensive line would be a good bet with what is cleared up.  Along with claiming off the free agency market undrafted offensive linemen.  

Benjamin wasn’t claimed off waivers, so the Bills aren’t off the hook for that. His contract was up at the end of this season so no effect on next year. 

Edited December 7, 2018 by Boatdrinks

[SWATeam]

Because Andy Reid is a top offensive mind, it means that Benjamin is a good receiver because he signed him.

 

I've read that logic countless times here.

[keepthefaith]

6 minutes ago, T master said:

If he produces & or drops balls like he did here he will only have one or 2 bash the Bills sessions with Sammy & he will be gone especially if Sammy gets healthy & he has the dropsy's !! 

 

KC may not throw to him.  Decoy. 

[Boatdrinks]

3 minutes ago, SWATeam said:

Because Andy Reid is a top offensive mind, it means that Benjamin is a good receiver because he signed him.

 

I've read that logic countless times here.

It probably means Reid is dealing with some injury concerns on offense and there wasn’t much help available at this point. 

[1st Ammendment NoMas]

9 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

i think salaries are guaranteed if you are on the 53 man roster after week one. His contract wasn’t claimed on waivers, so I believe the Bills are on the hook for the last 4 games. I could be wrong. 

Benjamin wasn’t claimed off waivers, so the Bills aren’t off the hook for that. His contract was up at the end of this season so no effect on next year. 

so this a-hole gets paid by both teams for being a sloth. that's messed up. If he is claimed he should only be paid for the games he played.

[Gunsgoodtime]

Just now, BillsRdue said:

so this a-hole gets paid by both teams for being a sloth. that's messed up. If he is claimed he should only be paid for the games he played.

I think the problem is he wont claimed, cleared waivers...I think.  Not sure of the details

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

Was there offset language in the 5th year option that allows him to double dip? Im not sure that changes the cap charge though- just his actual cash earnings

[Boatdrinks]

Just now, BillsRdue said:

so this a-hole gets paid by both teams for being a sloth. that's messed up. If he is claimed he should only be paid for the games he played.

That is how it would work IF he was claimed. He wasn’t, so the Bills don’t get relief from KBs contract. I don’t know what KC is paying him, but I’d assume it’s much less than the approximately $2million he’d be due if KC put in a waiver claim. I’m pretty sure KBs 5th year option was about 8 million so that’s $500k per game. 

1 minute ago, dneveu said:

Was there offset language in the 5th year option that allows him to double dip? Im not sure that changes the cap charge though- just his actual cash earnings

Offsets and the like are the unknown here. Ther may be, but I’ve not seen details to that effect. Just that it was going to cost any team about $2m to claim Benjamin off waivers. 

[1st Ammendment NoMas]

3 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

That is how it would work IF he was claimed. He wasn’t, so the Bills don’t get relief from KBs contract. I don’t know what KC is paying him, but I’d assume it’s much less than the approximately $2million he’d be due if KC put in a waiver claim. I’m pretty sure KBs 5th year option was about 8 million so that’s $500k per game. 

I meant signed also. It shouldn't matter, it's messed up. If I get fired from work for doing a ***** job nobody pays me the rest of the year. What owner deserves to pay bad employees for screwing up their company. This needs to change asap. It literally gives him an incentive to suck so bad that the Bills drop him then double dip with a contender, prove himself, blame the Bills for his problems and sign next year for decent money. Totally f'd up any way you look at it.

Edited December 7, 2018 by BillsRdue

[Boatdrinks]

3 minutes ago, BillsRdue said:

I meant signed also. It shouldn't matter, it's messed up. If I get fired from work for doing a ***** job nobody pays me the rest of the year. What owner deserves to pay bad employees for screwing up their company. This needs to change asap. It literally gives him an incentive to suck so bad that the Bills drop him then double dip with a contender, prove himself, blame the Bills for his problems and sign next year for decent money. Totally f'd up any way you look at it.

Yeah, it seems messed up but that’s the CBA. Every other major sports league has fully guaranteed contracts, so the NFL is a laggard as far as that’s concerened. The guaranteeing of contracts if on the opening day roster seems reasonable compared to the other leagues. At least you can cut a guy before the opener and not be on the hook for the rest of the deal in most cases. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

35 minutes ago, Zerovotlz said:

 

This is the only reason for KC to sign him if we did it to "help" our own team.  KC is thin at TE after Kelce.  

They may well have done this to keep him from Denver as well.

 

Why would a team leading the division at 10-2 burn a roster spot on signing a guy to “keep him from” the divisions 3rd place team, currently 6-6?

 

35 minutes ago, Zerovotlz said:

Watkins is apparently currently healthy so this signing, if it's about Watson at all, wasn't about Watson this week.

 

Frankly, a good many KC fans are overly happy about this signing and think we are getting the guy who excelled in Carolina, and not the hot mess he's been in Buffalo this year.  

 

If he works hard here and makes a contribution here and NOT in Denver, then I'm good with it....but really not a big deal in my opinion. 

 

Best Case is that he moves to TE and does well, makes himself into a nice thick tall red zone target....worst case...he sits on the bench and does nothing....not costing us much...and he isn't in Denver.

 

What is up with this Denver fixation?

 

IF KC thinks they signed a TE, Good Luck Mates!  KB can’t really block and he’s been playing very small for his size.  You’ll see.

[Putin]

9 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

I honestly could care less....he did not fit with us and I dont hate him.......

Oh that’s what it was ( did not fit ) ? 

More like couldn’t fit in his uniform , 

 

[Punching Bag]

8 hours ago, Magox said:

He should exceed there, Sammy Watkins is the best WR in the league at decoying, should open KB up for more passes.

 

Except Sammy's foot hurts again - can he do decoys from med tent?

[Hapless Bills Fan]

35 minutes ago, BillsRdue said:

since he was signed, are the Bills responsible for paying this lard of sh^t any money. If he ends up playing well in KC, I will really hate him. He gave no effort at all and was a locker room loser to boot.

 

Benjamin’s salary with the Bills was guaranteed.  It is possible he has offset language, which would mean he won’t collect 2 paychecks and the Bills obligation would be reduced by whatever KC is paying him.  But chances are Bills will still have to pay something.

[Punching Bag]

7 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Nah.  He cleared waivers, so they are free to negotiate a contract with him.

 

Whether or not he double-dips or the Bills have it subtracted from the ~$2M they owe him, depends on contract details.

 

We are in trouble for same person who signed big stuff signed his contract.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

Just now, Limeaid said:

 

We are in trouble for same person who signed big stuff signed his contract.

 

Negative, when we traded for Benjamin we took on his Carolina contract

[Punching Bag]

Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Negative, when we traded for Benjamin we took on his Carolina contract

 

So you are saying we have chance.

[NoHuddleKelly12]

Given the good history between McD and Reid, am kind of surprised Reid picked him up knowing McD wouldn’t have dropped him this unceremoniously without good cause...but maybe Reid thinks KB can still contribute in a higher octane offense. All I can say is, a drop is still an incomplete pass no matter the octane of the system within which it occurs. Good luck KC. Better your problem now than ours. 

[Zerovoltz]

1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Why would a team leading the division at 10-2 burn a roster spot on signing a guy to “keep him from” the divisions 3rd place team, currently 6-6?

 

 

What is up with this Denver fixation?

 

IF KC thinks they signed a TE, Good Luck Mates!  KB can’t really block and he’s been playing very small for his size.  You’ll see.

 

Even though we have beaten Denver twice this year already...they have really played us tight...they are a touch matchup for us...they also did have held the Rams to low totals on offense and nearly beat them...they beat the Chargers....Denver has a below average QB holding back the rest of that team.  

 

As far as Benjamin being a TE, our current back up TE, Demetrious Harris...already can't block and never plays as big has his size either...he's been here 4 years already and hasn't progressed....If Benjamin sucks...that's fine..he sucks and will have cost us next to nothing....if Harris were to get hurt...well...we appear to have his crappy identical twin on the roster now.

[Punching Bag]

6 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

Interesting article, but I don't buy it.  I don't want to call a guy names, but my eyeballs say KB was playing as though his head and heart were not in the game and that his attitude and work ethic (on the football field) had everything to do with his release.

 

I did hear comment from him about being unhappy with QB changes this year which may be he was afraid going to a rookie or sophomore interception machine would hurt his stats or maybe he was just supporting Tyrod Taylor.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 minute ago, Zerovotlz said:

Even though we have beaten Denver twice this year already...they have really played us tight...they are a touch matchup for us...they also did have held the Rams to low totals on offense and nearly beat them...they beat the Chargers....Denver has a below average QB holding back the rest of that team.  

 

Below average QB that contended for NFC Championship last year.   Who’s he throwing to?  Ain’t Diggs and Thielen.

 

But I repeat: you beat Denver twice this year.  Not likely to play them again.  Benjamin just signed for rest of season, so it’s said.  So what’s up with the Denver fixation?

 

1 minute ago, Zerovotlz said:

 

As far as Benjamin being a TE, our current back up TE, Demetrious Harris...already can't block and never plays as big has his size either...he's been here 4 years already and hasn't progressed....If Benjamin sucks...that's fine..he sucks and will have cost us next to nothing....if Harris were to get hurt...well...we appear to have his crappy identical twin on the roster now.

 

I think you’ll find Benjamin hasn’t ever played TE because he can’t, but Good Luck!

[Punching Bag]

5 hours ago, The Red King said:

If the Chiefs actually bite, it's a blessing for KB who will have a chance to actually put in effort, play his hardest, and try and use this last handful of games to bait the Chiefs (or another team) into a long-term signing.  If this happens we'll get to find out how much of this was a declining KB, and how much was a don't give a damn KB.

 

Maybe it is a "I don't give a damn I am declining, I want to be paid" KB.

[Zerovoltz]

2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Below average QB that contended for NFC Championship last year.   Who’s he throwing to?  Ain’t Diggs and Thielen.

 

But I repeat: you beat Denver twice this year.  Not likely to play them again.  Benjamin just signed for rest of season, so it’s said.  So what’s up with the Denver fixation?

 

 

I think you’ll find Benjamin hasn’t ever played TE because he can’t, but Good Luck!

 

A simple glance at Case Keenums numbers this year tell enough of the story....or go watch some of their games...Minnesota was right to let him walk.  He's not been good at all this year. .....He has targets and a good run game....Emmanual Sanders is pro bowl caliber WR...The traded Demarryous Thomas, but the Rookie Sutton has impressed...and they have a very strong running game....that offense isn't void of talent.  Sanders just tore his ACL in practice yestarday, so he's done....and they did claim Holmes, the other WR you released.

 

Again..as far as Benjamin playing TE....and you telling me he can't (and I believe you)  ....well, again, great...our second string TE also can't play TE...so if Benjamin has step into that role, he'll fit right in.

 

[cba fan]

2 minutes ago, Zerovotlz said:

 

A simple glance at Case Keenums numbers this year tell enough of the story....or go watch some of their games...Minnesota was right to let him walk.  He's not been good at all this year. .....He has targets and a good run game....Emmanual Sanders is pro bowl caliber WR...The traded Demarryous Thomas, but the Rookie Sutton has impressed...and they have a very strong running game....that offense isn't void of talent.  Sanders just tore his ACL in practice yestarday, so he's done....and they did claim Holmes, the other WR you released.

 

Again..as far as Benjamin playing TE....and you telling me he can't (and I believe you)  ....well, again, great...our second string TE also can't play TE...so if Benjamin has step into that role, he'll fit right in.

 

KB refuses to tackle an int returner and refuses to block. How could he play TE avoiding contact?

[Gunsgoodtime]

2 minutes ago, Zerovotlz said:

 

A simple glance at Case Keenums numbers this year tell enough of the story....or go watch some of their games...Minnesota was right to let him walk.  He's not been good at all this year. .....He has targets and a good run game....Emmanual Sanders is pro bowl caliber WR...The traded Demarryous Thomas, but the Rookie Sutton has impressed...and they have a very strong running game....that offense isn't void of talent.  Sanders just tore his ACL in practice yestarday, so he's done....and they did claim Holmes, the other WR you released.

 

Again..as far as Benjamin playing TE....and you telling me he can't (and I believe you)  ....well, again, great...our second string TE also can't play TE...so if Benjamin has step into that role, he'll fit right in.

 

You being a Chiefs fan I can see your point of if it dont work, not much of a loss financially for you.  But for your fans that think you just landed a gem, I will tell you no more than to watch some of his tape in Buffalo, one of the laziest and effortless players I have saw in a while, not to mention he only catches like 30% of his targets, he consistently drops passes

[Yav]

10 hours ago, Augie said:

I think he’s just there for the ribs. 

 

 

I’d hate to see him go there on the cheap, actually TRY and get a SB ring. THAT would rub me wrong!!!

Ha that's funny. The Chefs won't even make it past their first playoff game so don't worry no SB for them, as for KB, I guess KC is in the market for a lazy WR that can't catch. 

[Zerovoltz]

25 minutes ago, Gunsgoodtime said:

You being a Chiefs fan I can see your point of if it dont work, not much of a loss financially for you.  But for your fans that think you just landed a gem, I will tell you no more than to watch some of his tape in Buffalo, one of the laziest and effortless players I have saw in a while, not to mention he only catches like 30% of his targets, he consistently drops passes

i agree with you....this isn't exciting news to me....due in large part to me following this board...I might be the best informed KC fan about this guy.  SO MANY KC fans see a name they know and instantly "LETS SIGN HIM, HES A BEAST!  (on a side note, the tendancy of the lower IQ among my Chiefs fan base, LOVE the term Beast.  ugh.)  ....KC fan base has a hard time separating Madden from real life (this goes for salary cap issues as well...SIGN EVERYONE!  TRADE FOR EVERYONE!)  

3 minutes ago, Yav said:

Ha that's funny. The Chefs won't even make it past their first playoff game so don't worry no SB for them, as for KB, I guess KC is in the market for a lazy WR that can't catch. 

 Yav....not sure you have any sort of credibility with your incredibly horrible Pat Mahomes predictions and takes.

[Gunsgoodtime]

2 minutes ago, Zerovotlz said:

i agree with you....this isn't exciting news to me....due in large part to me following this board...I might be the best informed KC fan about this guy.  SO MANY KC fans see a name they know and instantly "LETS SIGN HIM, HES A BEAST!  (on a side note, the tendancy of the lower IQ among my Chiefs fan base, LOVE the term Beast.  ugh.)  ....KC fan base has a hard time separating Madden from real life (this goes for salary cap issues as well...SIGN EVERYONE!  TRADE FOR EVERYONE!)  

 Yav....not sure you have any sort of credibility with your incredibly horrible Pat Mahomes predictions and takes.

Trust me I understand.....when we signed him I was pumped too!!! I thought we just landed a true #1, couldn't believe it.  Boy, was I dumb

[Buffalo03]

He only signed because he thought it was with the KFC Chefs

Edited December 7, 2018 by Buffalo03

[JerseyBills]

57 minutes ago, Zerovotlz said:

 

A simple glance at Case Keenums numbers this year tell enough of the story....or go watch some of their games...Minnesota was right to let him walk.  He's not been good at all this year. .....He has targets and a good run game....Emmanual Sanders is pro bowl caliber WR...The traded Demarryous Thomas, but the Rookie Sutton has impressed...and they have a very strong running game....that offense isn't void of talent.  Sanders just tore his ACL in practice yestarday, so he's done....and they did claim Holmes, the other WR you released.

 

Again..as far as Benjamin playing TE....and you telling me he can't (and I believe you)  ....well, again, great...our second string TE also can't play TE...so if Benjamin has step into that role, he'll fit right in.

 

Hey man , the majority of us on here calk it how we see it and aren't going to trash a guy because he's on a different team.

KB was disgusting to watch , i couldn't stand seeing little to no effort on a consistent  basis.  Hes dead last in the league  and currently has the lowest catch % for WR with 50+ targets in the last decade , at 37%. 

Carolina fans said the same to us and we didn't listen.  All i can say is , you'll see. Don't get tour hopes up man. if you got time , watch literally any game he played this year and get back to us after that... We wanted him gone weeks ago , he's a disgrace 

[Zerovoltz]

1 minute ago, JerseyBills said:

Hey man , the majority of us on here calk it how we see it and aren't going to trash a guy because he's on a different team.

KB was disgusting to watch , i couldn't stand seeing little to no effort on a consistent  basis.  Hes dead last in the league  and currently has the lowest catch % for WR with 50+ targets in the last decade , at 37%. 

Carolina fans said the same to us and we didn't listen.  All i can say is , you'll see. Don't get tour hopes up man. if you got time , watch literally any game he played this year and get back to us after that... We wanted him gone weeks ago , he's a disgrace 

 

I said it already..but yeah....I don't have high hopes about this....the Chiefs made a low risk, low money investment in a guy who at one time, a long time ago, showed a little....fine...we paid out some pennies to kick the tires...I read this board all the time and have read ALL the stuff you find folks have posted about Benjamin..and I have watch a few of the games....(ever since the Trade and the drafting of Allen, I can't get enough of watching the Bills....love the passion of the fan base here...and am glad to be on this board..great place to talk football)  ......I think KC sees this as SUPER cheap depth....and anything else would be gravy....contract just for the rest of this year....I'm not hoping for or expecting much.