longtimebillsfan Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 2 hours ago, billsredneck1 said: i agree but his motivation is chasing records and i'm sorry shady, you ain't getting over 20 carries a game any more. maybe with a much improved line he could look like his old self, but can he?...and at what cost? i hope kyle and lorax come back for one more year. I agree. Especially regarding Kyle and Lorax. They provide a critical veteran presence for our defense. Both are still effective in their mud 30's. Amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 I'm just curious -- Has the actual offer from Philadelphia ever been leaked/reported? If so, does anyone have a link? I can see both sides of the argument, and I lean towards the side of keeping Shady, but I could be swayed depending on the draft pick offered. Without knowing with certainty what was offered, I can't provide a strong opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeHateMe Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 4 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: McCoy showed that he's still plenty explosive against the NYJ. He's a home run hitter that the Bills need for big plays from and I expect his production to return once they get better on the OL with C/G as positions in need of upgrade. Bottom line is he's in the plans for 2019. He has what 3 runs over 20 yards this year.. so much for home runs. Ivory has played better, takes less negative runs. We need to get younger at the position next year.. whether he is back or not. Good teams don't build around 30 year old backs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted November 27, 2018 Author Share Posted November 27, 2018 3 hours ago, Like A Mofo said: Agree. Bills best move is to upgrade their OL and WR options in 2019 offseason which will really help McCoy. Draft a RB to pair with McCoy who will have a cheap salary and carry the load, and when you combine Shady's 8M and the rookie's low salary, Shady's cap hit is manageable. I don't understand why Marcus Murphy isn't more involved he's averaging 5.5ypc. He needs more carries. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billieve420 Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 3 hours ago, 2003Contenders said: In McCoy's defense, he has not had plenty of opportunities this season. With the exception of the Jets game (in which Shady played well), all of the games in which Josh Allen did NOT start wound up being blowouts where the running game went out the door rather quickly. In the games where Josh has started, defenses have ascribed to the strategy of loading the box and forcing Josh to beat them. If you are a defensive coordinator, you are going to identify Shady as the team's biggest threat and game-plan to stop him. A few more big plays like we had against the Jags on Sunday, and maybe teams will start to respect the pass a bit more. Also, another thing to note: when the pocket breaks down Josh's first instinct is to run, which worked out well on Sunday. A nice wrinkle for Dabol to add would be to mix in more dump-offs to McCoy (I believe there was only one of these against the Jags). I would like to see more read option plays like what Baltimore is doing with Lamar Jackson/Gus Edwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 9 minutes ago, HeHateMe said: He has what 3 runs over 20 yards this year.. so much for home runs. Ivory has played better, takes less negative runs. We need to get younger at the position next year.. whether he is back or not. Good teams don't build around 30 year old backs. They are building around Josh Allen irrespective of McCoy being on the team. That much is crystal clear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 I think they would have for the right price. Apparently they could not get that price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 6 minutes ago, billieve420 said: I would like to see more read option plays like what Baltimore is doing with Lamar Jackson/Gus Edwards. That’s a horrible idea. See RG3. Passing is too easy now, pass the freaking ball. After the Bills revamp the oline I hope Allen is only running a few times a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billieve420 Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Commonsense said: That’s a horrible idea. See RG3. Passing is too easy now, pass the freaking ball. After the Bills revamp the oline I hope Allen is only running a few times a game. Obviously will love to just pass the ball but with the talent around him right now, Daboll is going to need to manufacture offense anyway he can as Allen gains experience. Edited November 27, 2018 by billieve420 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 5 hours ago, Cripple Creek said: He is providing the team with much more than stats IMO. He can stay for as long as he likes. Huh? If Philly was offering up anything, the Bills should have jumped at the opportunity and never looked back. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Like A Mofo Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 1 hour ago, NewDayBills said: I don't understand why Marcus Murphy isn't more involved he's averaging 5.5ypc. He needs more carries. I agree completely 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 2 hours ago, NewDayBills said: I don't understand why Marcus Murphy isn't more involved he's averaging 5.5ypc. He needs more carries. And get him the ball in space. His motor appears built for it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 Why not Murphy? Because Shady isn't hurt! Murphy is the understudy for Shady when he can't go. Ivory is the change of pace bruiser. It's pretty simple really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramza86 Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 100% yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 Keep Shady in 2019 see if you can get one more year out of him while a mid round pick develops behind him. I am not sure Shady has that much left but I think he can be an uber third down back splitting time with Ivory and a rookie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FearLess Price Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 10 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said: I think his value to this team goes a bit deeper than the stats. He's been big pumping up Josh Allen, and he has the credibility to do so. I think it has a bit to do with Josh's swagger. I don't want to lose that for a 4th round pick. Facts. He is way more valuable in the locker room than a pick is on the field atm. Plus i his stats the last 2 years havent really been his fault. The offensive roster was terrible. Anybody really watching the games and not just the stat sheet knows this. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuvian Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 trading him would have signalled a tank job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 5 hours ago, LabattBlue said: Huh? If Philly was offering up anything, the Bills should have jumped at the opportunity and never looked back. That’s one opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PittsforDave Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 I think a 2nd would’ve gotten it done. Anything less, no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 11 hours ago, CaptnCoke11 said: I think they release him in the offseason. I can’t see him taking a pay cut to stay here in a limited role and I can’t see Bean paying him 8+ million next year. This is true. Enjoy watching Shady because this will be his last season as a Bill, along with Clay & Benjamin. I have no doubt we'll draft another RB to go with Murphy & Ivory. McCoy does have very little to run through, but he now does that Shady shoulder shuffle well before any defender approaches. He's done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 (edited) 12 hours ago, NewDayBills said: Knowing what we know now? Is Shady really part of our plans next year? 426 rushing 3.3ypc 25 rec 198yds 7.9avg How do you guys feel about it? Should we have taken the picks? What picks? I dont recall us being offered anything of value. We apparently wanted a 2nd and a 3rd, but Philly never offered that. Rumor was Bills dropped the price to a 4th, but if that is true then obviously no one offered that either. So what picks are you referring to? But to answer your question...No. Could we have gotten by this year with Ivory, sure. But I believe McCoy will still be a good RB next year for us, and thats one less position to fill on the offense this year. Todd Gurley was a shell of himself during Goffs rookie year. Why, because no one feared the passing attack of Keenum or Goff throwing to crap WR's. And they had a bad OL. They invested heavily in the offense that offseason at both OL and totally cleared out WR core and replaced everyone with Woods, Sammy, and Kupp while also adding a second dangerous receiving TE. Then magically Gurley was better than ever again. McCoy can have the same type of bounce back next year and be a 1200+ yard back still with 500+ receiving yards IMO if we can get some blocking and some receivers to help Allen make defenses respect the pass. Allens ability to run will also help open up the offense too. Edited November 28, 2018 by Alphadawg7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4BillsintheBurgh Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 8 hours ago, NewDayBills said: I don't understand why Marcus Murphy isn't more involved he's averaging 5.5ypc. He needs more carries. He's not even a speed bump pass blocking. I don't want him anywhere near the field and think he's the one that should be cut so he doesn't get someone hurt. Replace him with someone who has a future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLTbills Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 22 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: McCoy showed that he's still plenty explosive against the NYJ. He's a home run hitter that the Bills need for big plays from and I expect his production to return once they get better on the OL with C/G as positions in need of upgrade. Bottom line is he's in the plans for 2019. I think the line is partially to blame, for sure. Big part of the equation... But I think our QB situation is just as much to blame. When we're trotting out Nate Peterman, or Derek Anderson, the game plan for the defense is pretty simple. Load the box and stop #25. Because our QB's sure as hell weren't going to beat them. I think now with a bit steadier QB play, his production will come up a bit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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