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(hypothetical) Alabama vs. Bills spread

Alabama vs. Bills with spread  

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41 minutes ago, ProcessAccepted said:

After we are done discussing this I'd love to hear people's thoughts on who people think would win between King Kong and Godzilla in ping pong.

Come on, that's easy. King Kong would destroy Godzilla, he has those little T-Rex arms.

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16 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I guess for me, it’s more about the 28.5. If I were betting this game, I’d be betting Bama. The game would be something like 30-10 IMO. Alabama isn’t some college team that has some NFL players. They probably have 20-30 guys on that roster now that will be in the NFL and 15 or so guys that will be drafted in the 1st 2 days. Now, some of them are young but elite talents like Jeudy, Harris and Tua will make a few plays (even against our strong defense). Their OL has multiple guys that would start on our OL now (Williams and Pierschbacher). Their defense has a few stars as well (specifically Quinnen Williams). The Bills would do some scoring but I don’t see them winning by 29 or more.

 

That was my thinking as well. They probably have enough NFL defenders to slow down this offence (which is more on a college level than an NFL level). I think we probably cover the spread if Allen could run on them. I don’t think we cover it with Peterman though.

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7 minutes ago, uticaclub said:

Always one what? You actually think Nate Peterman and this offense could move the ball against Alabama

Why would Nate Peterman even throw the ball?

 

We're talking about +300lb linemen with years of NFL strength and conditioning against fat kids. The best college players on the line still get embarrassed by "average" NFL players their first few years; Clowney, Garrett, etc... There is a reason why even those 1st rounders every one assumes are on Alabama right now will take 3+ years to develop.

 

The only question that will affect the outcome of this game is whether the Bills stop themselves so they don't humiliate these kids.

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It would be closer than you think. The argument that any pro player is better than non pro player X is incorrect. As someone who played sports at the D1 level, the difference between those that made it and those that didn't is negligible in some cases. Scouts sometimes prefer a player because of what they potentially could be. They have the size and athleticism so they take a chance on them and they go pro. Do they deserve it over someone who every step of the way has been just as good or sometimes better but doesn't have the measurables the scouts look for? Someone decides your fate because you aren't as tall or fast or whatever as this other guy that isn't currently any better than you are. Not fair imo but such is life.

 

Then there's the guys that don't make it because they couldn't get through school, get into drugs, get into trouble. We all knew people like this growing up. All the talent in the world but they wasted it and went down the wrong path. Those red flag type players don't make it to the pros and most don't even make it to college.

 

So not only do I think that a very good college team could upset a pro team but I think that under the right circumstances a team of walk on players could give them a good game as well.

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7 minutes ago, Southern Bills Fan said:

Come on, that's easy. King Kong would destroy Godzilla, he has those little T-Rex arms.

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Classic Godzilla has regular sized arms. Only the recent remakes from Hollywood did his arms start to shrink in length.

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1 hour ago, rodneykm said:

The Bills. Even with Peterman at QB.

 

I really hate this argument though. You are comparing the best of the best college players vs a college team with some NFL caliber talent on it. 

 

It would be a bloodbath. Alabama would get destroyed. 

 

I think it's a fair comparison. 

 

The Bills have some NFL caliber talent too.

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26 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I guess for me, it’s more about the 28.5. If I were betting this game, I’d be betting Bama. The game would be something like 30-10 IMO. Alabama isn’t some college team that has some NFL players. They probably have 20-30 guys on that roster now that will be in the NFL and 15 or so guys that will be drafted in the 1st 2 days. Now, some of them are young but elite talents like Jeudy, Harris and Tua will make a few plays (even against our strong defense). Their OL has multiple guys that would start on our OL now (Williams and Pierschbacher). Their defense has a few stars as well (specifically Quinnen Williams). The Bills would do some scoring but I don’t see them winning by 29 or more.

Yeah, I think a lot of people underestimate just how much NFL-caliber talent a team like Alabama has.  There are far more guys on Alabama who will be drafted in the first round than there are former first round picks on the Bills.  Pretty much every starter will at least get a shot in the NFL.  Hell, Robert Foster made the Bills’ 53 this year and he didn’t even start for the Tide last year.  And then there is Alabama’s QB play and coaching, both of which are superior to the Bills’.

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2 minutes ago, WRONG JOSH said:

It would be closer than you think. The argument that any pro player is better than non pro player X is incorrect. As someone who played sports at the D1 level, the difference between those that made it and those that didn't is negligible in some cases. Scouts sometimes prefer a player because of what they potentially could be. They have the size and athleticism so they take a chance on them and they go pro. Do they deserve it over someone who every step of the way has been just as good or sometimes better but doesn't have the measurables the scouts look for? Someone decides your fate because you aren't as tall or fast or whatever as this other guy that isn't currently any better than you are. Not fair imo but such is life.

 

Then there's the guys that don't make it because they couldn't get through school, get into drugs, get into trouble. We all knew people like this growing up. All the talent in the world but they wasted it and went down the wrong path. Those red flag type players don't make it to the pros and most don't even make it to college.

 

So not only do I think that a very good college team could upset a pro team but I think that under the right circumstances a team of walk on players could give them a good game as well.

 

As someone who played both Madden and NCAA football, the difference is bigger than people realize.

 

Just listen to interviews from players about their "welcome to the NFL" moments. Some of the biggest college hitters (pozlusney) got a taste when he was knocked senseless by a much smaller runningback.

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I honestly don't think the Bills, with Peterman at QB, are capable of scoring 28 points against Alabama's defense, much less outscoring them by more than 28.

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1 minute ago, unbillievable said:

 

As someone who played both Madden and NCAA football, the difference is bigger than people realize.

 

Just listen to interviews from players about their "welcome to the NFL" moments. Some of the biggest college hitters (pozlusney) got a taste when he was knocked senseless by a much smaller runningback.

I don’t think that “welcome to the NFL” moment is nearly as big a deal for guys who played for (and against) top SEC teams for three or four years.

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Not that draft position is the end-all-be-all or anything but, looking at mock drafts for this year and next:

 

Alabama: 11 first round picks

Buffalo: 7 first round picks

 

35 of Buffalo's players were drafted in any round; Alabama probably has more than that on their roster right now.

 

Obviously Buffalo's players have developed in the NFL whereas some of these Alabama guys are projects, but the sheer number of NFL-ready guys that Alabama has is pretty absurd. Like I said, I really don't think the Bills could even score 29 points on them right now, much less beat them by over 29+. I also think Alabama's QB and WRs are better right now than Buffalo's.

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10 minutes ago, mannc said:

I don’t think that “welcome to the NFL” moment is nearly as big a deal for guys who played for (and against) top SEC teams for three or four years.

IIRC Eric Reid put this hypothesis to the test his rookie year 2013 against Mike Tolbert. It wasn't pretty.

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Lets end this once and for all. The #1 ranked college team would never beat the worst NFL team. Give me the Bills this year, The Browns of the last decade, etc. It doesn't matter. Its men against early 20 somethings.

 

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2 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

IIRC Eric Reid put this hypothesis to the test his rookie year 2013 against Mike Tolbert. It wasn't pretty.

Kyle Williams and Tre White beg to differ.

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Not going to lie, it really makes me angry the Bills are the laughing stock of the league.  The Raiders have completely quit 8 games into Gruden's tenure.  Eli looks near as bad as Peterman and that's with Odell.  The Cardinals would be winless if it weren't for the 49ers, who would be winless after Jimmy G. went down if it wasn't for the Raiders.  The Lions look like they've quit, same with the Browns.  

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35 minutes ago, unbillievable said:

Why would Nate Peterman even throw the ball?

 

We're talking about +300lb linemen with years of NFL strength and conditioning against fat kids. The best college players on the line still get embarrassed by "average" NFL players their first few years; Clowney, Garrett, etc... There is a reason why even those 1st rounders every one assumes are on Alabama right now will take 3+ years to develop.

 

The only question that will affect the outcome of this game is whether the Bills stop themselves so they don't humiliate these kids.

Yes, but those players are trying to fit new schemes and getting used to the NFL in general.

 

I'm talking one game, Bama vs Bills. Bills probably win but they aren't winning by 4 TDs.  They are baiting Nate into one pick 6

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38 minutes ago, unbillievable said:

Why would Nate Peterman even throw the ball?

 

We're talking about +300lb linemen with years of NFL strength and conditioning against fat kids. The best college players on the line still get embarrassed by "average" NFL players their first few years; Clowney, Garrett, etc... There is a reason why even those 1st rounders every one assumes are on Alabama right now will take 3+ years to develop.

 

The only question that will affect the outcome of this game is whether the Bills stop themselves so they don't humiliate these kids.

 

Having watched Alabama quite a few times this year, I think Quinnen Williams and Raekwon Davis would rival the Bills defensive interior right now. Quinnen in particular looks like one of the most dominant defensive linemen we've seen in awhile. I know he's currently the highest rated linemen PFF has ever had. I think he'd feast on the Bodine and the guards.

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56 minutes ago, uticaclub said:

Always one what? You actually think Nate Peterman and this offense could move the ball against Alabama

 

Same Nate Peterson beat Clemson and Deshaun watson (their only loss) the year they won the National Championship.  

 

It’s college...where NFL washouts and scrubs like Tebow are one of the GOATS.  The statistical top 10 passers in college football history were either NFL scrubs or never played in the NFL.

 

No chance Bama beats any NFL team, and I would easily argue Raiders are a worse team than Bills and Bama wouldn’t beat them either.  We at least have a stout defense and some runners that would run all over that Bama team as our OL mauled them.  

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1 hour ago, thebandit27 said:

Nathan Peterman beat Clemson the year that they won the National Championship 

 

End thread. 

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This always comes up from time to time.

 

You have to remember that every player on the Bills was a collegiate standout at one point, and they are grown men with experience (some of them at least).


I think they could pitch a shutout against Alabama, and we could probably run over them....

 

So....Bills win easily.

 

 

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4 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Same Nate Peterson beat Clemson and Deshaun watson (their only loss) the year they won the National Championship.  

 

It’s college...where NFL washouts and scrubs like Tebow are one of the GOATS.  The statistical top 10 passers in college football history were either NFL scrubs or never played in the NFL.

 

No chance Bama beats any NFL team, and I would easily argue Raiders are a worse team than Bills and Bama wouldn’t beat them either.  We at least have a stout defense and some runners that would run all over that Bama team as our OL mauled them.  

You’re dreaming if you think Bodine and Ducasse would “maul” that Alabama defense and “run all over” them.  

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2 minutes ago, Fadingpain said:

This always comes up from time to time.

 

You have to remember that every player on the Bills was a collegiate standout at one point, and they are grown men with experience (some of them at least).


I think they could pitch a shutout against Alabama, and we could probably run over them....

 

So....Bills win easily.

 

 

Easily.

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The Bills would humiliate the Tide.  The current Bills roster has 34 drafted players and 19 UDFA's.  Here's the list of college teams (Through 2016) that had more than 12 or more players drafted in a year.  I won't go into the level of expereince difference either.   It's no contest. 

 

YEAR SCHOOL PICKS
1984 Texas 17
1946 Notre Dame 16
1953 USC 15
1945 Notre Dame 15
1975 USC 14
2004 Ohio State 14
1977 USC 13
1987 Penn State 13
1988 Oklahoma 13
1971 Ohio State 13
1975 Ohio State 13
1944 Notre Dame 13
1950 Minnesota 13
1944 USC 12
1974 UCLA 12
1982 Texas 12
1944 Texas 12
1981 Pittsburgh 12
2016 Ohio State 12
1954 Notre Dame 12
1950 Notre Dame 12
1975 Nebraska 12
1988 Miami (FL) 12
1952 Maryland 12
1976 Colorado 12
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