Democratic 2020 Presidential Primary Thread

[keepthefaith]

1 hour ago, 3rdnlng said:

Flake is nothing like Perot. The outsider is already the president. Those dynamics just aren't there.

 

Agree he's nothing like Perot but all it would take to derail Trump would be a republican of sorts running as an independent to siphon off a few percentage points of votes.  Don't rule out the Dems getting a shill in there.  Politically it would be very smart of them to help fund a 3rd candidate. 

[snafu]

^^^^Romney.

[3rdnlng]

3 hours ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

I didn't know he was even considering running...

Deval Patrick bows out of 2020 presidential run

We sure dodged one there!

[4merper4mer]

2 hours ago, keepthefaith said:

 

Maybe but Dems likely see Trump as a weak incumbent with very high negatives which might motivate some like Beto to run in 2020 that would otherwise wait.  He got a lot of exposure this last cycle against Cruz.  Will likely be a huge Dem field in 2020 and again in 2024 if Trump manages to win.  

 

Flake (or someone else) on the other hand who hates Trump might run as an independent and Ross Perot-bomb Trump.   

He's an abject moron and should never run.

[snafu]

8 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

He's an abject moron and should never run.

 

https://goo.gl/images/vrJ2s1

 

[LSHMEAB]

It's gonna be Beto and it's not gonna be a competition.

 

The unwritten rules regarding experience have gone by the wayside. As far as skeletons in the closet, see the previous statement.

 

Beto is the one Dem with the political chops to make Trump look small. Booker and Warren don't have the temperament for that fight. Kamala Harris is not particularly likable. Joe Biden and Sanders are just too old.

 

Beto has that Obama charisma.

1 hour ago, keepthefaith said:

 

Agree he's nothing like Perot but all it would take to derail Trump would be a republican of sorts running as an independent to siphon off a few percentage points of votes.  Don't rule out the Dems getting a shill in there.  Politically it would be very smart of them to help fund a 3rd candidate. 

I think it's much more likely to be Kasich. That guy loves the sound of his own voice. I think Flake is content to retire. Doesn't seem like the ambitious type.

[TakeYouToTasker]

7 hours ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

I didn't know he was even considering running...

Deval Patrick bows out of 2020 presidential run

 

He was being promoted in New England as a successor to Barack Obama for the first six years of the Obama Presidency.

 

It was regional, but major as far asDemocratic strongholds go.

Edited December 6, 2018 by TakeYouToTasker

[3rdnlng]

7 hours ago, LSHMEAB said:

It's gonna be Beto and it's not gonna be a competition.

 

The unwritten rules regarding experience have gone by the wayside. As far as skeletons in the closet, see the previous statement.

 

Beto is the one Dem with the political chops to make Trump look small. Booker and Warren don't have the temperament for that fight. Kamala Harris is not particularly likable. Joe Biden and Sanders are just too old.

 

Beto has that Obama charisma.

I think it's much more likely to be Kasich. That guy loves the sound of his own voice. I think Flake is content to retire. Doesn't seem like the ambitious type.

Who, Beto "Hit and Run"? "DUI Beto? So far, every candidate on the left can be legitimately mocked. Mocking will drown a candidacy quicker than anything. Remember Dukakis in a tank? Flake is Jeb Bush 11 and will get crushed in a primary. Kasich can't be trusted after his abandonment of the "pledge".

 

Trump will (should) make his candidacy about strength and promises kept. He will be hard to beat.

[/dev/null]

9 hours ago, keepthefaith said:

 

Agree he's nothing like Perot but all it would take to derail Trump would be a republican of sorts running as an independent to siphon off a few percentage points of votes.  Don't rule out the Dems getting a shill in there.  Politically it would be very smart of them to help fund a 3rd candidate. 

 

The problem with that theory is the Never-Trumpers from 2016 broke for Hiliary because she was the Devil You Know

 

Fast forward to 2020.  The Democrats primary battle will likely feature a lurch to the Left.  The Democrat nominee will be saying crazy things for attention and Trump will be the Devil You Know

[Swill Merchant]

The Democrat will win for one simple reason.

 

 

[ALF]

Nov 2020 election will be all about the economy .  

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

27 minutes ago, Swill Merchant said:

The Democrat will win for one simple reason.

 

 

 

http://insider.foxnews.com/2018/12/04/john-dingell-says-abolish-senate-electoral-college-rips-trump?fbclid=IwAR2zwdODSwG8dAu7C-WSV6zvayD7j78_WtIsXQ0nnCHNNPyXBMGWWhQ_WFY

 

Have a look at what this democrat says about elections.

 

[3rdnlng]

1 minute ago, ALF said:

Nov 2020 election will be all about the economy .  

It depends upon who you listen to. According to Obama, the economy sucks, but according to Obama he was the cause for this great economy. Which side of his mouth do you want to listen to?

28 minutes ago, Swill Merchant said:

The Democrat will win for one simple reason.

 

 

Case in point, Orange County, CA.

[Nanker]

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/kamala-harris-aide-resigns-over-harrassment-asettlement But, she had no idea. 

 

The Bern is SOOOOO committed to climate change that he spent nearly $300,000 to fly in private jets all over the country in just nine days. Sounds like a Leonardo DiCaprio level of commitment, i.e., up to the eyebrows

[Buffalo_Gal]

There will be no RNC debates in 2020. That kills any chance of a challenger to Trump as they will not get enough press/airtime for people to know who they are. With the Weekly Standard going belly-up, the #NeverTrump "stronghold" in the Republican Party is gone. It is President Donald J. Trump's to win or lose for  the GOP in 2020.

As far as the Democrats... 

This came out a few days ago. Camille Paglia gives a fairly accurate opinion  of the Democratic "field"(except the Obama/Joe Biden thing): 
 

You've been a sharp political prognosticator over the years. So can I start by asking for a prediction. What will happen in 2020 in America? Will Hillary Clinton run again?
 

If the economy continues strong, Trump will be reelected. The Democrats (my party) have been in chaos since the 2016 election and have no coherent message except Trump hatred. Despite the vast pack of potential candidates, no one yet seems to have the edge. I had high hopes for Kamala Harris, but she missed a huge opportunity to play a moderating, statesmanlike role and has already imprinted an image of herself as a ruthless inquisitor that will make it hard for her to pull voters across party lines.
 

Screechy Elizabeth Warren has never had a snowball’s chance in hell to appeal beyond upper-middle-class professionals of her glossy stripe. Kirsten Gillibrand is a wobbly mediocrity. Cory Booker has all the gravitas of a cork. Andrew Cuomo is a yapping puppy with a long, muddy bullyboy tail. Both Bernie Sanders (for whom I voted in the 2016 primaries) and Joe Biden (who would have won the election had Obama not cut him off at the knees) are way too old and creaky.

To win in the nation's broad midsection, the Democratic nominee will need to project steadiness, substance, and warmth. I've been looking at Congresswoman Cheri Bustos of Illinois and Governor Steve Bullock of Montana. As for Hillary, she's pretty much damaged goods, but her perpetual, sniping, pity-me tour shows no signs of abating. She still has a rabidly loyal following, but it's hard to imagine her winning the nomination again, with her iron grip on the Democratic National Committee now gone. Still, it's in her best interest to keep the speculation fires burning. Given how thoroughly she has already sabotaged the rising candidates by hogging the media spotlight, I suspect she wants Trump to win again. I don't see our stumbling, hacking, shop-worn Evita yielding the spotlight willingly to any younger gal.

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[Buffalo_Gal]

Will it hurt her? 
 

Kamala Harris aide resigns after harassment, retaliation settlement surfaces

A longtime top staff member of U.S. Sen. Kamala Harris resigned Wednesday after The Sacramento Bee inquired about a $400,000 harassment and retaliation settlement resulting from his time working for Harris at the California Department of Justice.
 

Larry Wallace, who served as the director of the Division of Law Enforcement under then-Attorney General Harris, was accused by his former executive assistant in December 2016 of “gender harassment” and other demeaning behavior, including frequently asking her to crawl under his desk to change the paper in his printer.
 

The lawsuit was filed on Dec. 30, 2016, when Harris was still attorney general but preparing to be sworn in as California’s newly elected Democratic senator. It was settled less than five months later, in May 2017, by Xavier Becerra, who was appointed to replace her as attorney general.
 

By that time, Wallace had transitioned to work for Harris as a senior advisor in her Sacramento office.

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[Golden Goat]

3 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

Will it hurt her? 
 

Kamala Harris aide resigns after harassment, retaliation settlement surfaces

A longtime top staff member of U.S. Sen. Kamala Harris resigned Wednesday after The Sacramento Bee inquired about a $400,000 harassment and retaliation settlement resulting from his time working for Harris at the California Department of Justice.
 

Larry Wallace, who served as the director of the Division of Law Enforcement under then-Attorney General Harris, was accused by his former executive assistant in December 2016 of “gender harassment” and other demeaning behavior, including frequently asking her to crawl under his desk to change the paper in his printer.
 

The lawsuit was filed on Dec. 30, 2016, when Harris was still attorney general but preparing to be sworn in as California’s newly elected Democratic senator. It was settled less than five months later, in May 2017, by Xavier Becerra, who was appointed to replace her as attorney general.
 

By that time, Wallace had transitioned to work for Harris as a senior advisor in her Sacramento office.

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Not at all. She's from the party of "Do as we say, not as we do."

 

 

 

Edited December 6, 2018 by Golden Goat

[reddogblitz]

19 hours ago, snafu said:

^^^^Romney.

 

Romeny would be the perfect guy to do this.  Too bad he just won a Senate seat.

 

Would be nice for some real Republican to run as 3rd party that would take votes away from Trump.  After Romney I'm not sure who.  Maybe Paul Ryan?

[IDBillzFan]

1 hour ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

Will it hurt her? 

 

Nope. Kamala is getting a bulk of the Planned Parenthood money and has a lot of people behind her after the Daleiden raid.

 

Don't count her out. If she'll suck Willie Brown to gain power, she'll do anything.

[3rdnlng]

1 hour ago, reddogblitz said:

 

Romeny would be the perfect guy to do this.  Too bad he just won a Senate seat.

 

Would be nice for some real Republican to run as 3rd party that would take votes away from Trump.  After Romney I'm not sure who.  Maybe Paul Ryan?

So, who on the dem side do you want over Trump?

[B-Man]

STEPHEN KRUISER: Democrats’ 2020 Field Shaping Up To Be an Entertaining ‘Old vs Young’ Slugfest. 

 

 

[Swill Merchant]

On 12/5/2018 at 7:25 PM, 3rdnlng said:

Flake is nothing like Perot. The outsider is already the president. Those dynamics just aren't there.

Speaking of Flake ...

 

 

 

[reddogblitz]

On 12/6/2018 at 3:17 PM, 3rdnlng said:

So, who on the dem side do you want over Trump?

 

At this point I'm just hoping they can come with someone I can vote for. Too early to say.

[DC Tom]

4 hours ago, reddogblitz said:

 

At this point I'm just hoping they can come with someone I can vote for. Too early to say.

 

Maybe you'll luck out and they're nominate a potato.

[4merper4mer]

9 hours ago, DC Tom said:

 

Maybe you'll luck out and they're nominate a potato.

It would even lose its own home state.

[Buffalo_Gal]

On 12/6/2018 at 3:20 PM, Buffalo_Gal said:

Will it hurt her? 
 

Kamala Harris aide resigns after harassment, retaliation settlement surfaces

A longtime top staff member of U.S. Sen. Kamala Harris resigned Wednesday after The Sacramento Bee inquired about a $400,000 harassment and retaliation settlement resulting from his time working for Harris at the California Department of Justice.
 

Larry Wallace, who served as the director of the Division of Law Enforcement under then-Attorney General Harris, was accused by his former executive assistant in December 2016 of “gender harassment” and other demeaning behavior, including frequently asking her to crawl under his desk to change the paper in his printer.
 

The lawsuit was filed on Dec. 30, 2016, when Harris was still attorney general but preparing to be sworn in as California’s newly elected Democratic senator. It was settled less than five months later, in May 2017, by Xavier Becerra, who was appointed to replace her as attorney general.
 

By that time, Wallace had transitioned to work for Harris as a senior advisor in her Sacramento office.

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The Sacramento Bee's ("leans" left) Editorial Board doesn't believe she didn't know (if you read the beginning of the article, they do more than "lean"):

At minimum, Harris should’ve known key staff member was accused of harassment 

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There are only a few possible interpretations here, and they are unpleasant. Wallace wasn’t out on the periphery of Harris’ staff; he was a senior aide she knew for 14 years — hardly a stranger. For Harris to flatly deny any knowledge of this settlement seems, shall we say, far-fetched. For the moment, let’s take her at her word.
 

A second and equally troubling interpretation is that Harris isn’t a terribly good manager, and that her staff was insulating her from information critical to the performance of her duties. This is hardly a propitious beginning to a presidential candidacy.
 

Harris’ handling of this matter is eerily reminiscent of a 2010 case during her tenure as district attorney, where a judge rebuked her office for hiding problems in the drug analysis section of the San Francisco police crime lab.

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[ALF]

At this point I would think Beto for pres or vice pres.

[Koko78]

1 hour ago, ALF said:

At this point I would think Beto for pres or vice pres.

 

Beto would be well served to have a good showing running for VP, especially since Democrats don't currently have anyone who is going to beat Trump. Get him the national exposure and buff up his credentials for an actual run in 2024 when the field is wide open.

[3rdnlng]

1 hour ago, ALF said:

At this point I would think Beto for pres or vice pres.

So, you're a yes on socialism?

[reddogblitz]

On 12/8/2018 at 10:54 PM, DC Tom said:

 

Maybe you'll luck out and they're nominate a potato.

 

Actually I'm hoping for a Potatoe 

[ALF]

Comey calls on Americans to 'use every breath we have' to oust Trump in 2020

 

Former FBI Director James Comey asked American voters Sunday night to end Donald Trump's presidency with a "landslide" victory for his opponent in 2020.

 

"All of us should use every breath we have to make sure the lies stop on January 20, 2021," Comey told an audience at the 92nd Street Y on New York City's Upper East Side. He all but begged Democrats to set aside their ideological differences and nominate the person best suited to defeating Trump in an election.

"I understand the Democrats have important debates now over who their candidate should be," Comey told MSNBC's Nicolle Wallace, "but they have to win. They have to win."

 

https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/09/politics/james-comey-donald-trump-2020/index.html

[Nanker]

Comey’s deranged. 

[DC Tom]

7 minutes ago, ALF said:

Comey calls on Americans to 'use every breath we have' to oust Trump in 2020

 

Former FBI Director James Comey asked American voters Sunday night to end Donald Trump's presidency with a "landslide" victory for his opponent in 2020.

 

"All of us should use every breath we have to make sure the lies stop on January 20, 2021," Comey told an audience at the 92nd Street Y on New York City's Upper East Side. He all but begged Democrats to set aside their ideological differences and nominate the person best suited to defeating Trump in an election.

"I understand the Democrats have important debates now over who their candidate should be," Comey told MSNBC's Nicolle Wallace, "but they have to win. They have to win."

 

https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/09/politics/james-comey-donald-trump-2020/index.html

 

But I'm sure he was non-partisan while he was FBI Director.  

[ALF]

2 hours ago, 3rdnlng said:

So, you're a yes on socialism?

 

I can't even imagine that the former Director of the FBI James Comey would steer me wrong.

 

I also trust a very intelligent and respected Republican,  former Secretary of State Rex Tillerson.  ?

[Deranged Rhino]

1 hour ago, ALF said:

Comey calls on Americans to 'use every breath we have' to oust Trump in 2020

 

Former FBI Director James Comey asked American voters Sunday night to end Donald Trump's presidency with a "landslide" victory for his opponent in 2020.

 

"All of us should use every breath we have to make sure the lies stop on January 20, 2021," Comey told an audience at the 92nd Street Y on New York City's Upper East Side. He all but begged Democrats to set aside their ideological differences and nominate the person best suited to defeating Trump in an election.

"I understand the Democrats have important debates now over who their candidate should be," Comey told MSNBC's Nicolle Wallace, "but they have to win. They have to win."

 

https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/09/politics/james-comey-donald-trump-2020/index.html

 

57 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

But I'm sure he was non-partisan while he was FBI Director.  

 

Anyone who still believes he is/was non-partisan is being willfully ignorant.

Edited December 10, 2018 by Deranged Rhino

[DC Tom]

6 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

 

Anyone who still believes he is/was non-partisan is being willfully ignorant.

 

That's like flashing the gatorman bat signal.

[3rdnlng]

45 minutes ago, ALF said:

 

I can't even imagine that the former Director of the FBI James Comey would steer me wrong.

 

I also trust a very intelligent and respected Republican,  former Secretary of State Rex Tillerson.  ?

So you're outsourcing your decision as it pertains to who would make a good president? Beto is a socialist.

[B-Man]

 

HE’S NO TED KENNEDY — BUT HE’S WORKING ON IT: Beto O’Rourke Overtakes Biden As Dem’s Top 2020 Candidate In New Poll. 

 

“You can be a failed Senate candidate with not much in the way of accomplishments except a bad rap for stealing land from the poor and trying to flee a drunk driving incident, and STILL be the number one choice for Democrats in 2020.”

 

 

UPDATE (FROM GLENN): Harsh but fair:

 

 

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[Gavin in Va Beach]

On 12/10/2018 at 3:25 PM, ALF said:

"I understand the Democrats have important debates now over who their candidate should be," Comey told MSNBC's Nicolle Wallace, "but they have to win. They have to win."

 

https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/09/politics/james-comey-donald-trump-2020/index.html

 

Translation: "He fights against our corruption and globalist agenda like crazy now, just imagine what he might do if he was a lame duck not worrying about re-election."

[reddogblitz]

2 hours ago, B-Man said:

 

HE’S NO TED KENNEDY — BUT HE’S WORKING ON IT: Beto O’Rourke Overtakes Biden As Dem’s Top 2020 Candidate In New Poll. 

 

“You can be a failed Senate candidate with not much in the way of accomplishments except a bad rap for stealing land from the poor and trying to flee a drunk driving incident, and STILL be the number one choice for Democrats in 2020.”

 

 

UPDATE (FROM GLENN): Harsh but fair:

 

 

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I can think of another guy that ran for president with a failed HoR run and a DWI on his record that served 2 terms.