Democratic 2020 Presidential Primary Thread

[/dev/null]

3 hours ago, reddogblitz said:

 

I can think of another guy that ran for president with a failed HoR run and a DWI on his record that served 2 terms.

 

And also served two terms as Governor of the second largest state.  Not quite the same as being in a garage band, skate boarding, and setting the record for most money spent on a lost Senate campaign

[Tiberius]

13 minutes ago, /dev/null said:

 

And also served two terms as Governor of the second largest state.  Not quite the same as being in a garage band, skate boarding, and setting the record for most money spent on a lost Senate campaign

Ya, but having a functioning brain beats all that. Bush doesn't have that and proved it, Trump is the same. Not saying I want Beto as nominee, but he is naturally more qualified than either of those two clowns. 

[The_Dude]

https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/2018/12/12/18134945/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-aoc-president

 

....Theyre retarded. So retarded. 

 

We need a corsus honorum. Post Sulla. Pure brilliance. Maybe they could have kept the republic had they stuck to it. 

[DC Tom]

8 hours ago, reddogblitz said:

 

I can think of another guy that ran for president with a failed HoR run and a DWI on his record that served 2 terms.

 

Yeah, but he wasn't a Democrat, which party lives by the mantra "You are exclusively the worst thing you've ever done and can never ever ever improve past that."

[Doc Brown]

Fox News poll about potential 2020 Democratic nominees:

 

Elizabeth Warren's stock is falling among Democrats as far as the front runners are concerned.  Beto not as popular as the elites think he is at this point.  Surprise, surprise.

 

Excellent/good to Fair/Poor ratio among Democrats.  Biden is still far and away the most popular followed by Bernie.

 

Biden - 70 to 11, Sanders - 63 to 28, Booker - 34 to 24, Harris -33 to 21, O'Rourke - 36 to 18, Warren - 38 to 33 (yikes), Bloomberg - 24 to 41 (no way he's winning the nominee)

 

As far as name recognition

 

Percentage of democratic respondents who never head of them (Biden -5%,  Sanders -4%, Warren -14%, O'Rourke -34%, Booker -25%, Harris -29%, Bloomberg -18%)

 

 

Former New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg gets the largest number saying he would make an only fair or poor president:  38 percent of Democrats feel that way.  Warren comes second at 33 percent only fair/poor.

 

Many other potential candidates receive slightly higher negative than positive ratings among Democrats, including New York Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand, Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper, former Starbucks CEO Howard Shultz, and businessman Tom Steyer -- though these potential candidates are largely unknown to a majority of Democrats.

 

 

 

Edited December 13, 2018 by Doc Brown

[Doc Brown]

 

[DC Tom]

31 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

 

 

Did she fall down the stairs again?

[Doc Brown]

1 hour ago, DC Tom said:

 

Did she fall down the stairs again?

While dodging sniper fire in Bosnia. 

 

Only Hillary could have a higher unfavorability rating by primary voters of her own party.

Edited December 16, 2018 by Doc Brown

[DC Tom]

17 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

While dodging sniper fire in Bosnia. 

 

Only Hillary could have a higher unfavorability rating by primary voters of her own party.

 

That basket of deplorables really gets around...

[B-Man]

“LIVE BY IDENTITY POLITICS, DIE BY IDENTITY POLITICS:”

 

 

● Joy Reid’s Racial Test: Democrats ‘Can’t Run Two White Guys’ in 2020.

—NewsBusters, today.

 

 

● “Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand [D-NY] asked by Van Jones if she was bothered the top 3 in the national poll were white men, flatly said ‘yes’”

—As spotted by Twitchy, today, who asks, “Quick question for Gillibrand:  If the Democrat nominee does end up being Bernie, Beto, Joe or another white guy, is she going to pull her support?”

 

 

● And from Friday, “CNN election analyst [Harry Enten] on Dems’ 2020 race: ‘I am not sure it’s the time to nominate a white man.’”

 

 

I’m so old, I can remember the two major political parties simply ran the most electable candidate — but then for 21st century left, identity politics is everything.

 

[B-Man]

2020 Democrats: Will you vote for us if we promise to just give you some cash?

 

Three of the Democrats’ aspiring 2020 contenders, specifically Kamala Harris, Cory Booker and Sherrod Brown, haven’t done all that well in the early polling. Even that last CNN poll of Iowa Democrats left all three of them in single digits, well behind two old white guys. So how do they start gaining some traction? Simple. If people don’t love you yet, just offer to deliver some bags of cash to their doorstep. (NBC News)

 

As Democrats gear up to challenge President Donald Trump in 2020, several possible contenders are testing out a simple pitch: Would you like some more money?

A suite of big ticket bills by Sens. Cory Booker, D-N.J., Sherrod Brown, D-Ohio, and Kamala Harris, D-Calif., would directly transfer upwards of trillions of dollars in cash directly to Americans. While low-income workers would be the biggest beneficiaries, the proposals would apply to large chunks of the middle class as well.

 

“It’s almost, on the face of it, obvious,” Brown told NBC News. “I want to reward work, but I also want to bring people out of poverty who don’t make enough money.”

“It’s almost obvious,” says Sherrod Brown. Well… I should think so. There’s nothing to get people’s attention like the prospect of free money. But precisely what are these three talking about?

[Buffalo_Gal]

I am sure this will help nominate a centrist...

 

California Upends 2020 Democratic Primary Calendar
 

When Iowa Democrats hold their February 2020 presidential caucuses, millions of Californians will already have their primary ballots.
 

The nation’s most-populous state has moved its primary to March 3, 2020, so it can have more influence in picking presidential nominees. The move from a June primary in 2016 will press hopefuls to consider a West Coast perspective on issues such as immigration and the environment, empower the state’s growing Latino and Asian populations and drastically increase the amount of money candidates must raise to mount a competitive campaign.

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[Koko78]

42 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

I am sure this will help nominate a centrist...

 

California Upends 2020 Democratic Primary Calendar
 

When Iowa Democrats hold their February 2020 presidential caucuses, millions of Californians will already have their primary ballots.
 

The nation’s most-populous state has moved its primary to March 3, 2020, so it can have more influence in picking presidential nominees. The move from a June primary in 2016 will press hopefuls to consider a West Coast perspective on issues such as immigration and the environment, empower the state’s growing Latino and Asian populations and drastically increase the amount of money candidates must raise to mount a competitive campaign.

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Well, since the DNC got busted fixing the primary process, it now falls to them using state parties to do the same thing.

 

The minor/Bernie candidates cannot raise enough cash quickly enough to mount an effective campaign in California that early - and the Democrats know it.

[Buffalo_Gal]

12 minutes ago, Koko78 said:

 

Well, since the DNC got busted fixing the primary process, it now falls to them using state parties to do the same thing.

 

The minor/Bernie candidates cannot raise enough cash quickly enough to mount an effective campaign in California that early - and the Democrats know it.

There was a lot of shenanigans in 2008 when Obama was selected, too.  Michigan had moved up their primary to January against DNC rules . They were penalized, and the major players decided to no campaign there - except Hillary. At the convention, the DNC decided that if Obama had campaigned there, he'd have won XX more votes, and so awarded some of Hillary's delegates to Obama. 

That was the most egregious flaunting of the "rules" I recall that year (well, that and the threats against delegates and superdelegates on the floor of the convention hall if they didn't choose Obama over Hillary).

DNC fudging the rules is nothing new. I am sure if I looked hard enough I'd find something that the RNC has done in the past with nominations too. They are private clubs that make their own rules, and the American citizens get to votes based on their decisions. Yippy. 

[Doc Brown]

Misleading tweet just proves their continuous disdain for Sanders.

 

 

A national survey of women of color political organizers, activists, donors, and party leaders shows Sen. Kamala Harris as an overwhelming early favorite of the group ahead of the 2020 presidential election.

The survey results, provided to BuzzFeed News by She the People, a new network advocating for women of color in politics, show a majority of respondents — 71.1% — includes Harris in their top three choices for president, if she decides to run.

 

The second most popular candidate was Rep. Beto O’Rourke, whose closer-than-expected Senate race against Ted Cruz in Texas this year has propelled him into the national spotlight. O’Rourke was a top three choice for 38.3% of respondents, followed by Joe Biden for 25%, Sen. Cory Booker for 24.2%, Sen. Elizabeth Warren for 22.3%, Georgia Democrat Stacey Abrams for 15.2%, and Sen. Bernie Sanders for 12.1%.

Women of color are a key voting demographic for the Democratic Party in elections across the country, and consistently turn out to vote at high rates. In Southern primaries, including early states like South Carolina, black women compose a large portion of the electorate and helped secure the nomination for Hillary Clinton over Sanders in 2016.

 

Nearly a third of the 222 women from She the People’s survey who responded to a question asking who they would not consider for president named Sanders in their top three because they don’t think he’d be able to reach women of color, a problem he faced in the 2016 election.

Sanders, though, still has signs of support on the left. In a separate straw poll of 94,163 members of Democracy for America released Tuesday morning, Sanders leads the field of prospective candidates with 36.14% of support from the progressive organization’s membership.

 

“I think we’re at the end of the time when Democrats can speak to economic injustice and not speak powerfully to racial justice,” She the People founder Aimee Allison told BuzzFeed News in an interview.

Allison said that Sanders “has been specifically cultivating” relationships with people of color, to his credit. “I think we saw some moves to fix that, and I think there’s still some healthy skepticism there from women of color,” Allison added, referring to the poll results. “The real questions moving forward for many of these white candidates is: Are they going to be able to speak directly to the needs and the concerns of women of color?”

The survey also found that immigration policy, criminal justice reform, Medicare for All, and protecting voting rights are among the top priorities for the group as they decide who to support in 2020.

Of the women surveyed, a slim majority said they do not believe the Democratic Party is "headed in the right direction," and 44.3% said that they don’t believe the party is prepared to engage women of color in the 2020 presidential election. Many of the respondents said that the party should hire more women of color to leadership positions, support women of color candidates, and create an agenda that embraces their policy priorities.

“Women of color, as a voting bloc, are the backbone of the Democratic Party and we’re really leading the way with these issues, and we’ve shown that we can get behind candidates of different genders and different races and really affect an election,” Allison said. “But now we’re demanding way more from the candidates. They need to speak directly to us, and anything short just isn’t going to cut it.”

 

The survey from She the People questioned 264 women of color across the country. Of the people surveyed, 50% of the women identified as black, 40% as Latinx, 16% as Asian, and 5% as Native American. The survey was conducted from Nov. 29, 2018, through Dec. 13, 2018.

[Kevbeau]

8 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

The survey from She the People questioned 264 women of color across the country. Of the people surveyed, 50% of the women identified as black, 40% as Latinx, 16% as Asian, and 5% as Native American. The survey was conducted from Nov. 29, 2018, through Dec. 13, 2018.

Good thing they covered 111% of the N. 

[Doc Brown]

2 minutes ago, Kevbeau said:

Good thing they covered 111% of the N. 

I'd give them the benefit of the doubt as some may be mixed, but screw them and their propaganda.

[3rdnlng]

5 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

Misleading tweet just proves their continuous disdain for Sanders.

 

 

A national survey of women of color political organizers, activists, donors, and party leaders shows Sen. Kamala Harris as an overwhelming early favorite of the group ahead of the 2020 presidential election.

The survey results, provided to BuzzFeed News by She the People, a new network advocating for women of color in politics, show a majority of respondents — 71.1% — includes Harris in their top three choices for president, if she decides to run.

 

The second most popular candidate was Rep. Beto O’Rourke, whose closer-than-expected Senate race against Ted Cruz in Texas this year has propelled him into the national spotlight. O’Rourke was a top three choice for 38.3% of respondents, followed by Joe Biden for 25%, Sen. Cory Booker for 24.2%, Sen. Elizabeth Warren for 22.3%, Georgia Democrat Stacey Abrams for 15.2%, and Sen. Bernie Sanders for 12.1%.

Women of color are a key voting demographic for the Democratic Party in elections across the country, and consistently turn out to vote at high rates. In Southern primaries, including early states like South Carolina, black women compose a large portion of the electorate and helped secure the nomination for Hillary Clinton over Sanders in 2016.

 

Nearly a third of the 222 women from She the People’s survey who responded to a question asking who they would not consider for president named Sanders in their top three because they don’t think he’d be able to reach women of color, a problem he faced in the 2016 election.

Sanders, though, still has signs of support on the left. In a separate straw poll of 94,163 members of Democracy for America released Tuesday morning, Sanders leads the field of prospective candidates with 36.14% of support from the progressive organization’s membership.

 

“I think we’re at the end of the time when Democrats can speak to economic injustice and not speak powerfully to racial justice,” She the People founder Aimee Allison told BuzzFeed News in an interview.

Allison said that Sanders “has been specifically cultivating” relationships with people of color, to his credit. “I think we saw some moves to fix that, and I think there’s still some healthy skepticism there from women of color,” Allison added, referring to the poll results. “The real questions moving forward for many of these white candidates is: Are they going to be able to speak directly to the needs and the concerns of women of color?”

The survey also found that immigration policy, criminal justice reform, Medicare for All, and protecting voting rights are among the top priorities for the group as they decide who to support in 2020.

Of the women surveyed, a slim majority said they do not believe the Democratic Party is "headed in the right direction," and 44.3% said that they don’t believe the party is prepared to engage women of color in the 2020 presidential election. Many of the respondents said that the party should hire more women of color to leadership positions, support women of color candidates, and create an agenda that embraces their policy priorities.

“Women of color, as a voting bloc, are the backbone of the Democratic Party and we’re really leading the way with these issues, and we’ve shown that we can get behind candidates of different genders and different races and really affect an election,” Allison said. “But now we’re demanding way more from the candidates. They need to speak directly to us, and anything short just isn’t going to cut it.”

 

The survey from She the People questioned 264 women of color across the country. Of the people surveyed, 50% of the women identified as black, 40% as Latinx, 16% as Asian, and 5% as Native American. The survey was conducted from Nov. 29, 2018, through Dec. 13, 2018.

Why would they use a gender neutral term referring to Latina women of color? Furthermore, the math doesn't add up.

[DC Tom]

33 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

Furthermore, the math doesn't add up.

 

Critical Number Theory.  111% is just as valid as 100%.  You and your toxic cis-math can just ***** right off.

[3rdnlng]

3 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

Critical Number Theory.  111% is just as valid as 100%.  You and your toxic cis-math can just ***** right off.

I'm going to beat 150% of theshit out of you. Furthermore, you are the only person I know who I could say that about.

[B-Man]

 

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JUST IN: DNC announces it will hold 12 presidential primary debates for 2020 cycle, with 6 debates in 2019 and 6 in 2020. http://nbcnews.to/2Bz6KxJ 

 

 

 

 

Now announce which DNC members will be leaking debate questions to which Dem candidates! - Michelle Malkin

 

 

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[DC Tom]

2 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

 

Now announce which DNC members will be leaking debate questions to which Dem candidates! - Michelle Malkin

 

 

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Why don't they just announce the debate winners right now, too?

[B-Man]

The 2020 Democratic Primary Debates Will be a Circus of Epic Proportions

 Posted by Mike LaChance

 

“a drawn-out calendar with ample early voting all suggest that the 2020 process will be a never-ending mess”

 

[B-Man]

I'm first !!.......................no, I'm first !..................

 

NH considers holding 2020 primary -- in 2019... 

Life in left lane crowded...

[B-Man]

TOP DEMOCRATS WANT TO KNOW: 

 

Are you now or have you ever been a member of the Knights of Columbus?

 

 

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[Buffalo_Gal]

Just now, B-Man said:

TOP DEMOCRATS WANT TO KNOW: 

 

Are you now or have you ever been a member of the Knights of Columbus?

 

 

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Yeah, those two are nuts. Simply crazy. 

[B-Man]

2020: ................2020: Biden, Sanders, Obama lead Democrats.

 

 

 

Related: 45 Democrats jostling to challenge Trump in 2020.

 

 

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[DC Tom]

21 minutes ago, B-Man said:

2020: ................2020: Biden, Sanders, Obama lead Democrats.

 

 

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Not just "Biden, Sanders, Obama."  Biden, Sanders, Obama, Clinton. 

[outsidethebox]

I think Pelosi should run. How fun would that be?

[B-Man]

Democrats desperate for ´someone new´ in 2020: poll by Jessica Chasmer

Original Article       .

[Tiberius]

4 minutes ago, B-Man said:

Democrats desperate for ´someone new´ in 2020: poll by Jessica Chasmer

Original Article       .

So early. I see Mike Bloomberg is going to spend/waste  $100 million of his own money on the nomination. Not sure why. After his stop and frisk policy, can't see him getting the African American vote.

 

Sherrod Brown looks like a winner so far. Won easily in Ohio, that counts for something. Amy Klobuchar, also from Mid West, looks good too.

 

In the mid-terms the moderate Dems like Brown did VERY well, while the Progressives that ran in Florida and Georgia lost.

 

Any of the Dems will beat Trump, probably, but winning big is better.

[dpberr]

2 hours ago, Tiberius said:

So early. I see Mike Bloomberg is going to spend/waste  $100 million of his own money on the nomination. Not sure why. After his stop and frisk policy, can't see him getting the African American vote.

 

Sherrod Brown looks like a winner so far. Won easily in Ohio, that counts for something. Amy Klobuchar, also from Mid West, looks good too.

 

In the mid-terms the moderate Dems like Brown did VERY well, while the Progressives that ran in Florida and Georgia lost.

 

Any of the Dems will beat Trump, probably, but winning big is better.

 

I agree with you on Bloomberg.  I don't understand why he can't find something else to do with his money.  

 

The Democratic Party has some significant internal problems.  One, the Clintons aren't going away.  Two, the establishment (Biden/Pelosi) aren't going to relinquish their positions to this younger socialist crowd who think they are the heir apparents.  

 

Three, I'm sure Democrats will want to investigate Trump eight days a week but I can see the Clinton/Biden donors putting a kibash on that because the weapons you use today are the ones used on you tomorrow.   

 

If the Democrats spend the entirity of the Trump presidency investigating him, the Republicans will return that favor and at some point you have to wonder if you're the Democrats, do we really want that?

 

Are we setting ourselves up for a future where every President gets investigated by a Special Counsel over something?  

 

 

[RochesterRob]

10 minutes ago, dpberr said:

 

I agree with you on Bloomberg.  I don't understand why he can't find something else to do with his money.  

 

The Democratic Party has some significant internal problems.  One, the Clintons aren't going away.  Two, the establishment (Biden/Pelosi) aren't going to relinquish their positions to this younger socialist crowd who think they are the heir apparents.  

 

Three, I'm sure Democrats will want to investigate Trump eight days a week but I can see the Clinton/Biden donors putting a kibash on that because the weapons you use today are the ones used on you tomorrow.   

 

If the Democrats spend the entirity of the Trump presidency investigating him, the Republicans will return that favor and at some point you have to wonder if you're the Democrats, do we really want that?

 

Are we setting ourselves up for a future where every President gets investigated by a Special Counsel over something?  

 

 

  Not only do I agree that the Clinton's are not going away but the lack of Chelsea running for office this past fall makes me think that the Clinton's feel the longer road is the safer one for Chelsea.  They are waiting for the Clinton Foundation and other problems to become ancient news before Chelsea runs for anything.  Look for Chelsea to attempt to rise at some point during the 2020's.  Congress in 2024 and POTUS in 2028 while Ma and Pa are still alive to see their handiwork in action.

[Buffalo_Gal]

On 12/27/2018 at 10:13 AM, B-Man said:

TOP DEMOCRATS WANT TO KNOW: 

 

Are you now or have you ever been a member of the Knights of Columbus?

 

 

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An open letter from the KoC to the two anti-Catholic Senators:

Dear Senator Harris, Senator Hirono, and respective staffs

Greetings from your local, Capitol Hill-area Knights of Columbus Council, Patrick Cardinal O’Boyle Council 11302!  We recently read about statements which expressed the fear that the Knights of Columbus held many extreme beliefs.  It is our great pleasure to assure you that this fear is not grounded in any truth.  The Knights of Columbus ingeneral, and O’Boyle Council in particular are dedicated to the three fundamental principles of charity, unity, and fraternity.
 

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We wish to formally invite you all to join us for any social or charitable event.  In fact, this February we are doing the Polar Plunge to raise funds for DC Special Olympics.  You and anyone you know are more than welcome to join us either jumping in the cold water or sponsoring our team.
 

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[snafu]

Well, you can cross Angelina Jolie off the list...for now.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46699457

 

When asked whether she would consider getting involved in politics, she said: "If you asked me 20 years ago, I would've laughed... I always say I'll go where I'm needed, I don't know if I'm fit for politics… but then I've also joked that I don't know if I have a skeleton left in my closet".

"I'm also able to work with governments and I'm also able to work with militaries, and so I sit in a very interesting place of being able to get a lot done."

She added that "for now", she would stay quiet.

When Webb suggested that meant she could be on the list of 30 to 40 Democrats running for the party's presidential nomination, she did not say no, replying "thank you".

 

[Tiberius]

1 hour ago, dpberr said:

 

 

If the Democrats spend the entirity of the Trump presidency investigating him, the Republicans will return that favor and at some point you have to wonder if you're the Democrats, do we really want that?

 

Are we setting ourselves up for a future where every President gets investigated by a Special Counsel over something?  

 

Trump is a uniquely corrupt President and deserves to be investigated and jailed if (if?) he is found to have committed crimes.

 

The Republicans have been investigating the Clinton's as hard as they could have been for decades. Have you missed that or something? Selective memory, maybe? They are still investigating the Clinton's with their last dying breaths of a majority in the House. Your cry for mercy over Trump to save future Presidents rings hollow in light of the fact the GOP just makes things up to investigate.

[The_Dude]

5 hours ago, Tiberius said:

So early. I see Mike Bloomberg is going to spend/waste  $100 million of his own money on the nomination. Not sure why. After his stop and frisk policy, can't see him getting the African American vote.

 

 But did it work? It’s a shining beacon of why profiling should always be employed. 

[reddogblitz]

1 hour ago, Tiberius said:

 The Republicans have been investigating the Clinton's as hard as they could have been for decades. Have you missed that or something? Selective memory, maybe? They are still investigating the Clinton's with their last dying breaths of a majority in the House. Your cry for mercy over Trump to save future Presidents rings hollow in light of the fact the GOP just makes things up to investigate.

 

 

we'd also be in exactly the same place iF Hillary had won.  Republican led House and Senate would be investigating Hillary non stop.  Russia, email, Clinton Foundation, ...

[Deranged Rhino]

4 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

 

 

we'd also be in exactly the same place iF Hillary had won.  Republican led House and Senate would be investigating Hillary non stop.  Russia, email, Clinton Foundation, ...

 

We would know nothing of the fisa abuse and illegal spying on political opposition. McCabe would be director of the FBI and we would be at war with multiple nations (in Syria against Russia). 

 

The world would be burning. No one would have time for investigations. 

[DC Tom]

2 hours ago, reddogblitz said:

 

 

we'd also be in exactly the same place iF Hillary had won.  Republican led House and Senate would be investigating Hillary non stop.  Russia, email, Clinton Foundation, ...

 

No, we wouldn't.  We wouldn't have a special counsel, and the executive would stone-wall Republican Congressional investigations at every turn, invoking executive privilege to refuse answering Congressional subpoenas and giving hearing testimony.  And no one would notice, because she wouldn't be tweeting like an eight-year-old, which is apparently all anyone pays attention to.