Victory Formation Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 1 minute ago, dave mcbride said: Um ... let's go all the way back to last year. LeGarrette Blount was 31 last year and 766 yards and averaged 4.4 ypc in a back-by-committee set-up. He also had 90 yards on 14 carries in the SB, and rushed for 18 TDs in his 30th year. Marshawn Lynch (32 now) looked downright dominant at times last season, and has played well this season so far (on pace for over 1000 yards and 10 TDs). McCoy has not lost a step. He has two good years left in him. And he can restructure and play in a committee and extend his career 3 years longer than that behind a dominant OL. Some may say "What's fair value?", in this case that's out the window, they called us, not the other way around. Shady is our best player on offense, if you want him, we want slightly more than market value. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 (edited) 1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said: I’ll be willing to bet Kareem Hunt doenst go over 10,000 yards rushing alot Of backs start hot... it’s tough to play RB for 10+ years in the league we realistically aren’t getting a feature back round 3 I’ll be willing to bet a majority of Backs wont go over 10,000 rushing yards because teams are MOVING TO MODERN OFFENSES. What does a feature back do now?? Run for 70 catch another 30-50. So get that value and move to a Modern Offense Edited October 9, 2018 by MAJBobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 Just now, TheBeaneBandit said: Someone in the know tell me about Phillys interior oline situation......... That is another area we should be focusing on........ Agree, but we should not be looking for a stop-gap plug and play workaround for this season. All thoughts should be on building a foundation for the future. I'd rather have picks to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 Just now, MAJBobby said: I’ll be willing to bet a majority of Backs wont go over 10,000 rushing yards because teams are MOVING TO MODERN OFFENSES Touché Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 2 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Yep. Set your Price. If it is a 2nd and 3rd you dont come off it. Maybe even increase it a bit closer to deadline you get And yet he did. Philip Lindsay another. Karem Hunt another. You can find RBs all over the draft. If you get your Price you move him because of Age, Off Field Stuff and by the time you are really good he is not on the team anyway. That is true - David Johnson and Tevin Coleman were thirds. But I just went through 5 years of 3rd round picks, and the number of backs who were either marginal players or flameouts DWARFS the number of backs who produced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 4 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Yep. Set your Price. If it is a 2nd and 3rd you dont come off it. Maybe even increase it a bit closer to deadline you get And yet he did. Philip Lindsay another. Karem Hunt another. You can find RBs all over the draft. If you get your Price you move him because of Age, Off Field Stuff and by the time you are really good he is not on the team anyway. If you do set a price as far as offering to accept a 2nd and 3rd you put an expiration time on that and preferably by the close of business today. Tomorrow is a new day and new terms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBuff423 Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 Shady and a 5th (we have two) for Philly's 3rd & Agholor and Chance Warmack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 9, 2018 Author Share Posted October 9, 2018 (edited) 14 minutes ago, QCity said: For some reason people are under the impression that Shady is part of the future of this team. He's not. He's likely got 11 games left in a Bills uniform, and with injuries, even that may be a reach. Indirectly, he is. He was either asked to take an active role in helping Allen adapt to the pros or he took it on himself - either way if you’ve paid attention he’s been focused on his development even in the game he missed while he was hurt. He was on the sideline with a tablet talking to him. He has been vocal about working with Allen and how much he believes in him. Whether you see that as valuable to Allen’s future (and thereby the team’s future) or not, the Bills may think it’s worth more than a 3rd rd pick especially coupled with what he can do to help Allen on the field. Edited October 9, 2018 by YoloinOhio 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, DCOrange said: The Kamara draft was likely a flukey year, but it really is pretty crazy to look at. 9 RB/WRs went in the 3rd round that year. 6 of them are above average starters this year and 5 of them are elite according to PFF. I bet all of them play in offenses with tons of skill position players...much easier to shine when they are the 3rd option instead of the first. Cooper Kupp has Woods, Gurley and Cooks in front of him for instance. Edited October 9, 2018 by matter2003 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 (edited) 1 minute ago, BigBuff423 said: Shady and a 5th (we have two) for Philly's 3rd & Agholor and Chance Warmack I would do this too. Philly wont Edited October 9, 2018 by MAJBobby 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said: I’ll be willing to bet Kareem Hunt doenst go over 10,000 yards rushing alot Of backs start hot... it’s tough to play RB for 10+ years in the league we realistically aren’t getting a feature back round 3 3 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: I’ll be willing to bet Kareem Hunt doenst go over 10,000 yards rushing alot Of backs start hot... it’s tough to play RB for 10+ years in the league we realistically aren’t getting a feature back round 3 There are also about ten Dri Archers and Tre Masons for every Hunt and Kamara. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 1 minute ago, matter2003 said: I bet all of them play in offenses with tons of skill position players...much easier to shine when they are the 3rd option instead of the first Isnt that the type of offense you want to get too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: Indirectly, he is. He was either asked to take an active role in helping Allen adapt to the pros or he took it on himself - either way if you’ve paid attention he’s been focused on his development even in the game he missed while he was hurt. He was on the sideline with a tablet talking to him. He has been vocal about working with Allen and how much he believes in him. Whether you see that as valuable to Allen’s future (and thereby the team’s future) or not, the Bills may think it’s worth more than a 3rd rd pick especially coupled with what he can do to help Allen on the field. good post. And, last I checked, he has 27 games remaining, at least according to his contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GETTOTHE50 Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 Trading shady also tells the team they are not aiming for the playoffs this year. i do think the players on the team believe they can make it. do this and it kills whatever morale is left in the locker room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBeaneBandit Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 1 minute ago, Fadingpain said: Agree, but we should not be looking for a stop-gap plug and play workaround for this season. All thoughts should be on building a foundation for the future. I'd rather have picks to be honest. Agree. But just wondering if they may had a young up and comer or someone worth agreeing to an extension, that type of thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 Again, we're not getting Nelson Agholor or Alshon Jeffrey!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Please stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 Just now, Kelly the Dog said: There are also about ten Dri Archers and Tre Masons for every Hunt and Kamara. 10? more like 50 for every Kamara and Hunt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 3 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: I would do this too. Philly wont correct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: Isnt that the type of offense you want to get too? You mean like this one, right? https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/phi/2013.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 4 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: That is true - David Johnson and Tevin Coleman were thirds. But I just went through 5 years of 3rd round picks, and the number of backs who were either marginal players or flameouts DWARFS the number of backs who produced. Coleman also is a FA next year. Same with Yeldon hmmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBuff423 Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 Just now, LSHMEAB said: Again, we're not getting Nelson Agholor or Alshon Jeffrey!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Please stop. I don't think you need to get that upset (your choice but it seems worthless to me)....ideas about what Shady's value would be to YOU as the fan of the Buffalo Bills and those names come up for all the obvious reasons....it's not a projection, it's a "what would you like in return".... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 Just now, Buffalo716 said: 10? more like 50 for every Kamara and Hunt Low round picks, sure. I was just thinking about guys drafted in the third round. The only reason I didn't say 50 in the last several years was there hasn't been 50. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 1 minute ago, dave mcbride said: You mean like this one, right? https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/phi/2013.htm A Modern NFL Offense. And those you dont need a top end back do you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: A Modern NFL Offense. And those you dont need a top end back do you? Um ... huh? Shady ran for 1600+ rushing yards and led the league in yards from scrimmage! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatonka68 Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 if Buffalo trades McCoy they are trading their ONLY play maker on offensive, are definitely tanking the season. Might as well trade Hughes, Williams and Hyde too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 2 minutes ago, BigBuff423 said: I don't think you need to get that upset (your choice but it seems worthless to me)....ideas about what Shady's value would be to YOU as the fan of the Buffalo Bills and those names come up for all the obvious reasons....it's not a projection, it's a "what would you like in return".... Yeah, I get that but people need to understand the reason the Eagles want McCoy is because they're desperate to win now. They're not going to part with one of their starting wide receivers for a 30 year old back. We're in a pretty good spot leverage wise, but that's just plain silly. I'd love to see a draft pick and Mack Hollins. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Believer Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 Let McCoy go... while he still has value... No brainer... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 7 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Isnt that the type of offense you want to get too? It is, absolutely. We have a long way to go to get to that point. Let's start at one option first... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 2 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: Um ... huh? Shady ran for 1600+ rushing yards and led the league in yards from scrimmage! Ok so you take a 30 and 31 year old Shady. Or the picks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 1 minute ago, Tatonka68 said: if Buffalo trades McCoy they are trading their ONLY play maker on offensive, are definitely tanking the season. Might as well trade Hughes, Williams and Hyde too. Why in the world would we trade Hyde? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 Just now, Tatonka68 said: if Buffalo trades McCoy they are trading their ONLY play maker on offensive, are definitely tanking the season. Might as well trade Hughes, Williams and Hyde too. Why would we trade Hyde when he still has 3 and half years left on his deal and is only 27? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 9 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Indirectly, he is. He was either asked to take an active role in helping Allen adapt to the pros or he took it on himself - either way if you’ve paid attention he’s been focused on his development even in the game he missed while he was hurt. He was on the sideline with a tablet talking to him. He has been vocal about working with Allen and how much he believes in him. Whether you see that as valuable to Allen’s future (and thereby the team’s future) or not, the Bills may think it’s worth more than a 3rd rd pick especially coupled with what he can do to help Allen on the field. You are suggesting that Shady is a component to Allen's development as a QB and therefore we lose something if Shady is traded? That's pretty far fetched. If we can get a 3rd or better for him, cut him loose. He won't be around here much longer anyway, and I highly doubt Allen's success or lack thereof will be linked to Shady's presence or absence in any way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 (edited) 12 minutes ago, matter2003 said: I bet all of them play in offenses with tons of skill position players...much easier to shine when they are the 3rd option instead of the first. Cooper Kupp has Woods, Gurley and Cooks in front of him for instance. They all have either good weapons around them, or a good coach, but they obviously also play a heavy hand in that themselves. For example, Kenny Golladay is the highest rated WR on the Lions this year. Chris Godwin was rated higher than DeSean Jackson last year. Kamara IS the weapon; I think he was the highest rated RB in the league last year and he's a huge reason the Saints offense is what it is this year. Hunt's running ability played a large role in allowing Alex Smith to throw it deep for the first time in his career. And Buffalo has to start somewhere as far as weapons go. To me, the chance at adding even more cap space and also having a swing at another highly rated draft prospect is more than enough to trade McCoy. My main argument in favor of trading McCoy for a 3rd or 4th round pick would be this: You can replace McCoy for roughly half the money we are currently paying him. You can also hope you draft well and just draft his replacement for pennies compared to McCoy. Or you can both sign a player of roughly McCoy's current/long-term playing level and also draft a RB that may also be that same level. It's not terribly difficult to find above average RBs anymore, which is optimistically what you're hoping McCoy will be moving forwards. Edited October 9, 2018 by DCOrange Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 Just now, MAJBobby said: Ok so you take a 30 and 31 year old Shady. Or the picks? Keep Shady unless a 2nd or more is offered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 Just now, DCOrange said: They all have either good weapons around them, or a good coach, but they obviously also play a heavy hand in that themselves. For example, Kenny Golladay is the highest rated WR on the Lions this year. Chris Godwin was rated higher than DeSean Jackson last year. Kamara IS the weapon; I think he was the highest rated RB in the league last year and he's a huge reason the Saints offense is what it is this year. Hunt's running ability played a large role in allowing Alex Smith to throw it deep for the first time in his career. And Buffalo has to start somewhere as far as weapons go. To me, the chance at adding even more cap space and also having a swing at another highly rated draft prospect is more than enough to trade McCoy. But Kamara greatly is helped by playing with a first ballot HOF QB, Mihael Thomas and a bunch of WR's that get open in that scheme...its kind of like "pick your poison" you can' stop everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: Ok so you take a 30 and 31 year old Shady. Or the picks? Depends on the picks! I want a second given how I think he's likely to produce as a Bill through 2019. He's still an elite player, and if the Bills are going to make a big step forward next season, they need players like him. I want playoffs next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frez Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 Foles for Shady? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills1212 Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 38 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said: The guy is past his prime, but he still has the ability to make game changing plays. There are not many of those guys just sitting around. He's also a reliable receiver and pass blocker, attributes Pederson highly values. Like I said, they're desperate to win NOW. We'd like to have more draft capital, but it's not a desperate need. Immediacy creates leverage. Disagree. Too many other options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 1 minute ago, NewDayBills said: Keep Shady unless a 2nd or more is offered. Now go back to my Original post. Set your Price if it is a 2nd and 3rd and you get it you move him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatonka68 Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 Just now, Doc Brown said: Why would we trade Hyde when he still has 3 and half years left on his deal and is only 27? Because he can play. Bills dont like talented players they like drafting Zay Jones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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