Teddy KGB Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 46 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Allen’s 82 passing yards are the reason we won last week. For sure. Do you have a point to make ? Are you gonna co sign drafting another qb next year like the guy I replied to ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 24 minutes ago, inaugural balls said: You need to be admitted. Stats win? Wasn't he the only player to enter the endzone with the football in his hands on either team? Did he not put his team in position to win on that last drive? Stats? Whatever it takes works for me. A better qb performance and maybe that game is over earlier. Defense and the run game won that game. He threw 2 screen passes that drive that were more than half of his passing yards through the entire game. They were afraid to have him throw the ball. the bigger point is that minus the top qbs, in the ultimate team game, qb win-loss records are pretty stupid. Bortles “won” like 13 games last year and Drew Brees went 7-9 in back to back years. It’s a stupid stat and pretty lazy to say Allen is 2-2 (though I’ll credit him for playing well in the Minnesota game). 2 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said: Do you have a point to make ? Are you gonna co sign drafting another qb next year like the guy I replied to ? I’m generally patient with qbs. As a defender of JP and EJ, I wanted them to get more time. Looking back at JP for instance, in hindsight, we probably should have taken Rodgers the next draft. i didn’t want Allen in the first place but I feel like he deserves at least another year barring more games like the Titans. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said: A better qb performance and maybe that game is over earlier. Defense and the run game won that game. He threw 2 screen passes that drive that were more than half of his passing yards through the entire game. They were afraid to have him throw the ball. the bigger point is that minus the top qbs, in the ultimate team game, qb win-loss records are pretty stupid. Bortles “won” like 13 games last year and Drew Brees went 7-9 in back to back years. It’s a stupid stat and pretty lazy to say Allen is 2-2 (though I’ll credit him for playing well in the Minnesota game). I’m generally patient with qbs. As a defender of JP and EJ, I wanted them to get more time. Looking back at JP for instance, in hindsight, we probably should have taken Rodgers the next draft. i didn’t want Allen in the first place but I feel like he deserves at least another year barring more games like the Titans. Got it. Style points count with you. He's a rookie making rookie mistakes along the way. I believe he'll improve with time, like all the greats have. With experience and a better supporting cast I think JA has all promise to be that QB we all want. Bottom line - he did what it took for this team to win. Edited October 14, 2018 by inaugural balls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 1 hour ago, inaugural balls said: Got it. Style points count with you. He's a rookie making rookie mistakes along the way. I believe he'll improve with time, like all the greats have. With experience and a better supporting cast I think JA has all promise to be that QB we all want. Bottom line - he did what it took for this team to win. Doing what it takes to win is team and opponent dependent. Peyton Manning did what it took to win in 2015. Peyton Manning sucked in 2015 and had to retire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 3 hours ago, Logic said: Just checking in on this absurd thread. 33 pages and going strong, eh? Has anyone been fired yet? No? RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!!!! I can be fired if we can make this stop, but I recognize the reality of this situation.... If we won the SB this year people would find things to complain about. We didn’t win by enough. What a terrible challenge that was! Our play calling was weak. Our soft zone to close out the win let them back in the game. This is the world we live in, sadly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 3 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said: A better qb performance and maybe that game is over earlier. Defense and the run game won that game. He threw 2 screen passes that drive that were more than half of his passing yards through the entire game. They were afraid to have him throw the ball. the bigger point is that minus the top qbs, in the ultimate team game, qb win-loss records are pretty stupid. Bortles “won” like 13 games last year and Drew Brees went 7-9 in back to back years. It’s a stupid stat and pretty lazy to say Allen is 2-2 (though I’ll credit him for playing well in the Minnesota game). I’m generally patient with qbs. As a defender of JP and EJ, I wanted them to get more time. Looking back at JP for instance, in hindsight, we probably should have taken Rodgers the next draft. i didn’t want Allen in the first place but I feel like he deserves at least another year barring more games like the Titans. Its gonna be up and down with a raw rookie qb.......and in a horrible position at that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 4 hours ago, The_Dude said: I think it’s obvious that passing on Mahomes was a mistake. No matter how good Tre White is, Josh Allen, is the only thing that can right this mistake. It’s time to see what the kids got. So far, I’m not impressed or dejected by what I’ve seen from Allen. The potential is there and so are the issues. But I like his attitude and we gotta give the kid a shot. If Allen doesn’t work, multiple people will be fired. McBeane will go when Allen does. Probably around 20 games into his career. What annoys me is we are going to have a good draft pick next year and we won't use it to take our next QB. It will be obvious that we should have done that about the time the Allen experiment ends and McBeane are gone. And then we'll start the next cycle, getting rid of all of McDermott's "process" guys, switching defensive schemes blah blah... In the meantime, years are lost, time goes by, and we remain a national irrelevancy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 1 hour ago, BringBackOrton said: Doing what it takes to win is team and opponent dependent. Peyton Manning did what it took to win in 2015. Peyton Manning sucked in 2015 and had to retire. Yeeeaah.....again, the kids a rookie playing with less than stellar talent around him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Fadingpain said: McBeane will go when Allen does. Probably around 20 games into his career. What annoys me is we are going to have a good draft pick next year and we won't use it to take our next QB. It will be obvious that we should have done that about the time the Allen experiment ends and McBeane are gone. And then we'll start the next cycle, getting rid of all of McDermott's "process" guys, switching defensive schemes blah blah... In the meantime, years are lost, time goes by, and we remain a national irrelevancy... Edited October 14, 2018 by GoBills808 more appropriate gif 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 49 minutes ago, Fadingpain said: McBeane will go when Allen does. Probably around 20 games into his career. What annoys me is we are going to have a good draft pick next year and we won't use it to take our next QB. It will be obvious that we should have done that about the time the Allen experiment ends and McBeane are gone. And then we'll start the next cycle, getting rid of all of McDermott's "process" guys, switching defensive schemes blah blah... In the meantime, years are lost, time goes by, and we remain a national irrelevancy... What annoys me is that you talk like you know whats going to happen....which you dont....you dont know jack **** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSOL Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 25 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: Is that a woman being shot in the face with a watermelon? Cos that's messed up... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Fadingpain said: What annoys me is we are going to have a good draft pick next year and we won't use it to take our next QB. Anthony Barr doesn’t agree with you. Can you hit us with some hot takes on the other rookie QBs futures based off 4-5 starts ? Edited October 14, 2018 by Teddy KGB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 Sigh... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrod's friend Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 (edited) On 10/2/2018 at 12:51 AM, Hapless Bills Fan said: Surely. How we lack OLmen like 'Cog, Wood, Glenn and Henderson and with no sufficient attempt to replace them is a valid knock as well. My point was simply we can't pine over Mahomes as though he could be dropped into the Bills offense and see anything close to the same level of success. There's also the point that if Allen had a year on KC's bench mentored by Smith and coached by Andy Reid, then plugged into the Chiefs offense, his early results might differ. The Bills drafted the least pro ready of this years top QB and have put the least talent around him and thrown him in soonest. The very reason we don't have offensive linemen is BECAUSE we have Josh Allen. The two are aligned. We can't trade away draft picks to move up in the draft to get a QB when 60% of your starting OL rotation won't be with us, and act like the GM isn't responsible for that outcome. Josh Allen is injured today. The offensive line sucks. The two are related and the path leads right up to the GM. Edited October 15, 2018 by Tyrod's friend 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest K-GunJimKelly12 Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 I honestly believe that part of the reason we passed on Mahomes is because McDermott wanted to draft Peterman later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronyAbounds Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 (edited) On 10/1/2018 at 8:18 PM, John from Riverside said: We also dont have KC's offensive supporting cast.....and of course Mahommes got to sit a year and was not ready when he came into the league.... but hey....... What you have described is the real reason McBeane need to be excoriated. Mahomes sat out a year and it obviously did him a world of good. KC also had a year to improve its offense in other ways so when Mahomes did start he had a stronger supporting cast. The Bills did neither. They have created a situation were Allen is clearly not even close to ready but is starting, and the offense is incredibly shaky in almost every other aspect. Organizational ineptitude couldn't be better illustrated. Edited October 15, 2018 by IronyAbounds 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 On 10/14/2018 at 3:13 AM, BringBackOrton said: Doing what it takes to win is team and opponent dependent. Peyton Manning did what it took to win in 2015. Peyton Manning sucked in 2015 and had to retire. After Manning won his second SB in 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 Just now, Alphadawg7 said: After Manning won his second SB in 2015 Ha ha, yes he won a Super Bowl as a walking corpse. That's was my point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 The Bills regime can rightfully be criticized for not having a vet behind Allen from game 1. As for Mahomes 1TD and 4 picks the last few quarters. And no one is getting fired now or later for not picking him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boca BIlls Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 Mahomes looks good better then Allen will ever be. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 Mahomes is still that guy Beatiful throws. Nice comeback working Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boca BIlls Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 Beautiful pass... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HurlyBurly51 Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 Beautiful TD pass there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 10 minutes ago, Boca BIlls said: Mahomes looks good better then Allen will ever be. Like we didnt hear enough of you in the shout box today.......did you come out of your medical indused coma for a few moments? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boca BIlls Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 2 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Like we didnt hear enough of you in the shout box today.......did you come out of your medical indused coma for a few moments? Stop following me around then... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 11 minutes ago, Tyrod's friend said: The very reason we don't have offensive linemen is BECAUSE we have Josh Allen. The two are aligned. We can't trade away draft picks to move up in the draft to get a QB when 60% of your starting OL rotation won't be with us, and act like the GM isn't responsible for that outcome. Josh Allen is injured today. The offensive line sucks. The two are related and the path leads right up to the GM. Since McDermott is really in charge of personnel and Beane just takes care of the details of getting the players he wants (or getting rid of the players he doesn't want), McDermott needs to go before Beane. 9 minutes ago, K-GunJimKelly12 said: I honestly believe that part of the reason we passed on Mahomes is because McDermott wanted to draft Peterman later. At first read, this sounds like a joke but McDermott's stubborn insistence on keeping Peterman on the roster and making him the back up when he is clearly not an NFL caliber player raises serious questions about why McDermott drafted him at all, much less in the fifth round, when he simply doesn't have an NFL arm. He's a TC body at best. Why waste a fifth round pick on a QB prospect whose ceiling is maybe career backup when your team has so many other holes? McDermott shouldn't be fired for not drafting Mahomes, but he should be fired for drafting Peterman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 Just now, Boca BIlls said: Stop following me around then... Following you around....you are like that friggen cousin that we are TRYING to lose but keeps tagging along..... Get a new fricken script dude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 The Bills would have ruined Mahomes. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boca BIlls Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Following you around....you are like that friggen cousin that we are TRYING to lose but keeps tagging along..... Get a new fricken script dude You jumped into this thread the minute after i posted just to make some smart ass comment... you are following me. Get over it. Edited October 15, 2018 by Boca BIlls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 Just now, Boca BIlls said: You jumped into this thread the minute after i posted just to make some smart ass comment... you are following me. Get over it. Hey im just sitting here and your stupid comment came across my screen......its like a train wreck you cannot look away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 Think of all of the assets that we would not have given up if we had simply drafted Mahomes. Having said that, I really hope Josh succeeds (although I have had my doubts), but McBeane did not make his life easy for multiple reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Hey im just sitting here and your stupid comment came across my screen......its like a train wreck you cannot look away You could always come off your spot and admit he’s right You would lose your mind if Josh Allen was doing this to the Pats right now Edited October 15, 2018 by Teddy KGB 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 3 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Like we didnt hear enough of you in the shout box today.......did you come out of your medical indused coma for a few moments? If you don't like what the poster has to say, then put him on "ignore". This isn't a "No criticism of McDermott and Company Zone" no matter how much you and your fellow cheerleaders try to turn it into one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boca BIlls Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 4 minutes ago, Peter said: Think of all of the assets that we would not have given up if we had simply drafted Mahomes. Having said that, I really hope Josh succeeds (although I have had my doubts), but McBeane did not make his life easy for multiple reasons. They destroyed an offense just to make the defense top 10... crazy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 6 minutes ago, Boca BIlls said: They destroyed an offense just to make the defense top 10... crazy I mean, not really. We actually traded more defensive players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 Paging @John from Riverside @Yav Mahomes the god Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFC24 Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Boca BIlls said: They destroyed an offense just to make the defense top 10... crazy this isn't a top 10 defense lol. we have played two bad offenses in a row. We got owned by the Packers and Chargers and will get exposed when we play another good offense. Edited October 15, 2018 by LFC24 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 I wouldn’t have taken Mahomes at 10 because I felt like he was to hit or miss. I wanted Watson there. Looking back, both guys are lightyears ahead of anything we have had for decades. Hopefully the light comes on for Allen at some point but as of now we look dumb as usual 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 1 hour ago, IronyAbounds said: What you have described is the real reason McBeane need to be excoriated. Mahomes sat out a year and it obviously did him a world of good. KC also had a year to improve its offense in other ways so when Mahomes did start he had a stronger supporting cast. The Bills did neither. They have created a situation were Allen is clearly not even close to ready but is starting, and the offense is incredibly shaky in almost every other aspect. Organizational ineptitude couldn't be better illustrated. More baboons brought in to draft more bafoons.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 (edited) Mahomes stinks. Allen would have won that game if he was in KC. Edited October 15, 2018 by BringBackOrton 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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