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Wow. It’s pretty cool that all 4 QBs from the top 10 of this draft are already starting by week 4.    This could be quite an interesting QB draft class to follow. 

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Ha exactly.  As I originally said, there is now way to know who will have a better career yet, way too early for that.  But man, some people just can’t let go we didn’t draft Rosen.  He’s only gotten

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By Ted Nguyen Oct 30, 2018
 
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The numbers haven’t been pretty for rookie quarterback Josh Rosen but he’s been playing much better than they indicate. No, I’m not just saying that because I loved him coming into the draft. He’s doing the the best he can with a porous offensive line and uncreative offensive scheme — both of which led to last week’s firing of offensive coordinator Mike McCoy.
 
First time play-caller Byron Leftwich called his first game against the 49ers in Week 8. For most of the game, the offense didn’t look much different, but it came to life late, as the Cardinals scored 15 points in the fourth quarter to squeak ahead of the 49ers for their second win of the season.
 
What stood out in Rosen’s college tape was his ability to read coverages and throw the ball with great anticipation. Those two traits showed themselves on Rosen’s game-winning touchdown pass:
 
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The defense was in a cover 4 zone with cornerback Ahkello Witherspoon (No. 23) playing the sideline quarter and safety Tyvis Powell (No. 30) playing the hash quarter.
 
Tight end Ricky Seals-Jones (No. 86) motioned inside of receiver Christian Kirk (No. 13) and ran an out route while Kirk ran a dig route inside. Witherspoon passed off Kirk and picked up Jones, who ran into his zone. Powell made a slight mistake by taking a couple of steps outside with Jones.
 
Powell wasn’t terribly out of position but Rosen saw that he had his hips turned outside and knew he could fit in a pass to Kirk. When Rosen decided where he was going with the ball, Kirk was just getting into his break and wasn’t close to crossing past Powell. Rosen anticipated that we was going to get open and threw the ball with faith that Kirk was going to do his job — that’s high-level quarterbacking.
 
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The offensive line did a good job of picking up the 49ers’ defensive line stunt and gave Rosen the time he needed. If they can protect Rosen more often, the Cardinals will see more big-time throws like this from their first-round draft pick.
 
 
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On 10/21/2018 at 10:41 PM, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Wrong yet again. As if I haven't talked about the poor supporting cast surrounding Allen that's an indictment of Beane and McDermott.  I have in fact done so repeatedly.  From no veteran mentor to the poor WR and OL they have done him no favors. 

 

 

It ain't an indictment of Beane and McDermott. It's what happens in the second year of a rebuild. It's just a shame Allen didn't get the year to sit and learn that they obviously planned for him to have.

 

Agreed that not giving him a vet mentor from early in the offseason was a bad move. My feeling is that they thought McCarron would serve. But they should have brought in someone who had more experience than McCarron. That's a really fair criticism.

 

But a poor surrounding roster is just what happens this early in a rebuild.

 

 

On 10/22/2018 at 12:58 AM, WRONG JOSH said:

Josh Rosen is a highly touted rookie QB, albeit a struggling one at the moment. Josh Allen is a good athlete. I think Josh Allen would make a good H-back. Maybe we can sign him and Tebow and run the wing T offense because we sure as heck can't pass the ball with any consistency. Ground and pound baby!

 

If you guys think he's all of a sudden going to "get it" then you are delusional. He's never been a good passing QB at any level of competition.

 

 

You're right, he's not going to suddenly get it.

 

If he gets it ... and he easily might ... it will be a long drawn-out process. That process might hit a tipping point making it looks "sudden." But it'll actually be the result of a long continual process. If it happens.

 

As for who is delusional ... that would be anyone who thinks they know the future of Josh Allen, positive or negative. It's possible to guess right. But what you're doing there is guessing, and confusing opinion and fact.

 

 

On 10/22/2018 at 7:00 AM, WRONG JOSH said:

Hard to hear the truth. Keep living in denial. Ignorance is bliss.

 

 

You should know.

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I was on the Darnold train up until the Jets pulled the wool over Beane's eye's.  Then I was on the Rosen train and was not happy with the Allen pick.  I guess the only thing that can make me feel better about Allen is if Rosen continues to suck.

 

You're going to have to try harder to convince us you're a Bills fan.

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The Cardinals pulled quarterback Josh Rosen in the fourth quarter of Sunday’s 40-14 loss to the Falcons after he threw two interceptions, took six sacks and got hit many more times, but they won’t be taking him out of the starting lineup.
 
That was the message from head coach Steve Wilks on Monday when he was asked about the possibility of playing out the string with Mike Glennon rather than the team’s first-round draft pick.
 
Wilks said he believes Rosen will continue to benefit from playing despite the shoddy state of the team’s offensive line and, via Darren Urban of the team’s website, that making a change would play into a “mindset of giving up and quitting.”
 

Given the importance of Rosen to future plans in Arizona, it’s not surprising that the Cardinals would opt to go this direction. Should the Rams and/or Seahawks subject Rosen to the same kind of pressure that the Falcons provided on Sunday, the team can opt to shut him down but if there’s anything left to gain this season it is from getting Rosen experience he can use to improve.

 

1 hour ago, Nervous Guy said:

https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/football/news/cardinals-josh-rosen-benched-in-blowout/     woof!

 

Rosen completed 13 of 22 passes for 132 yards and two interceptions during Sunday's 40-14 loss to Atlanta. He added eight yards and a lost fumble on two carries.

Sunday started off well enough. Following an opening punt by Atlanta, Rosen completed three of four passes for 63 yards to set up a David Johnson touchdown run. The luck ran out there. On the next Arizona drive, Rosen's pass was tipped, intercepted, and returned by Deion Jones for a touchdown. Following two more turnovers and back-to-back fourth-quarter drives in which the Cardinals lost yardage, the rookie was benched as veteran Mike Glennon finished out the game. Head coach Steve Wilks said that Rosen will be back under center next Sunday against a Rams defense that has been so-so this season. With reports of some house-cleaning coming to Arizona, it'd be a surprise if Rosen is able to turn it around this season.
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55 minutes ago, WhyteDwarf said:

I was on the Darnold train up until the Jets pulled the wool over Beane's eye's.  Then I was on the Rosen train and was not happy with the Allen pick.  I guess the only thing that can make me feel better about Allen is if Rosen continues to suck.

So Allen continuing to improve and playing well doesn’t make you feel good about him

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So Allen continuing to improve and playing well doesn’t make you feel good about him

 

There are only two games left this season, we'll see if he leaves an impression on me that I can carry all offseason.  As of now, no, I'm still not there.

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2 hours ago, BringBackFergy said:

Any updates on the most pro-ready QB?

 

2 hours ago, Nervous Guy said:

https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/football/news/cardinals-josh-rosen-benched-in-blowout/     woof!

 

I was going to ask why this goofy thread was still alive......   

 

Now I know 

 

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1 minute ago, WhyteDwarf said:

 

There are only two games left this season, we'll see if he leaves an impression on me that I can carry all offseason.  As of now, no, I'm still not there.

 

Thats because you’re stuck on a position and intellectually inflexible. Take heart though, friend. There’s an ever shrinking community of “bills fans” just like you right here on tsw. 

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I live in Phoenix.  I have been pounding the table for Rosen to take a break like Allen did.  He is getting manhandled behind this even worse than the Bills offensive line.

 

I fear the GM, HC will be gone at the end of the year with Rosen scared from many hits.  I like Allen and I'm glad he's on the Bills but I wanted to see Rosen do well too.  People forget these are young men who I only wish the best for.

 

Unless they are on the pats then the heck with you.

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13 minutes ago, JinxedBill1 said:

I live in Phoenix.  I have been pounding the table for Rosen to take a break like Allen did.  He is getting manhandled behind this even worse than the Bills offensive line.

 

I fear the GM, HC will be gone at the end of the year with Rosen scared from many hits.  I like Allen and I'm glad he's on the Bills but I wanted to see Rosen do well too.  People forget these are young men who I only wish the best for.

 

Unless they are on the pats then the heck with you.

 

I think Rosen will be fine, like Allen he had plenty of flashes of potential. Both Josh's were going to have some tough times on these teams.

 

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14 minutes ago, JinxedBill1 said:

I live in Phoenix.  I have been pounding the table for Rosen to take a break like Allen did.  He is getting manhandled behind this even worse than the Bills offensive line.

 

I fear the GM, HC will be gone at the end of the year with Rosen scared from many hits.  I like Allen and I'm glad he's on the Bills but I wanted to see Rosen do well too.  People forget these are young men who I only wish the best for.

 

Unless they are on the pats then the heck with you.

 

Best thing for Rosen...and Darnold is for both teams to follow the trend and do what the Rams and Bears did.  Remove your Defensive Minded and philosophical Head Coach and bring in the hottest, modern Offensive Minded Coach on the market.

 

Ravens will be too successful to need a chance and Mayfield seemingly just has that IT factor which can carry him over any type of Coach.

 

Rosen and Darnold would both benefit the most to get their own McVay or Nagy as son as possible.

 

New OFfensive Minded HC, Hit on First 2 picks and use some FA $$$$ and things may look 180 this time next season.

 

we shall see!

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Best thing for Rosen...and Darnold is for both teams to follow the trend and do what the Rams and Bears did.  Remove your Defensive Minded and philosophical Head Coach and bring in the hottest, modern Offensive Minded Coach on the market.

 

Ravens will be too successful to need a chance and Mayfield seemingly just has that IT factor which can carry him over any type of Coach.

 

Rosen and Darnold would both benefit the most to get their own McVay or Nagy as son as possible.

 

New OFfensive Minded HC, Hit on First 2 picks and use some FA $$$$ and things may look 180 this time next season.

 

we shall see!

 

And so, this guy's crusade against mcdermott continues.

 

How's McVay's team looked lately? And also noticing you left Pederson off the list of "esteemed" coaches. Hm.

 

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44 minutes ago, WhyteDwarf said:

 

Oh look, another one.

Might as well just add me too as a precaution. 

Someone with 29 rep points acting like THAT is probably just too tempting honestly. 

If THAT makes you super sensitive just adding me now will save you getting your feelings hurt. 

Looks like xmas came early for you my friend!

Happy Holidays!!

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Might as well just add me too as a precaution. 

Someone with 29 rep points acting like THAT is probably just too honestly too tempting. 

If THAT makes you super sensitive just adding me now will save you getting your feelings hurt. 

Looks like xmas came early for you my friend!

Happy Holidays!!

 

Nah, has nothing to do with feelings, if it's actual football talk and not hall monitoring, we're good.

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1 hour ago, WhyteDwarf said:

 

And yet another one for the ignore list, thanks for raising your hand.

What's the point of being here if you have everyone on your ignore list?

 

I don't use the ignore feature, I read everyones post whether I agree with them or not, it's what makes this place go around. 

 

Don't really understand ignoring people but whatever.

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2 hours ago, WhyteDwarf said:

I was on the Darnold train up until the Jets pulled the wool over Beane's eye's.  Then I was on the Rosen train and was not happy with the Allen pick.  I guess the only thing that can make me feel better about Allen is if Rosen continues to suck.

 

A couple of things here:

 

The Jets didn't "pull the wool" over anyone.  Buffalo was in on the trade talks with Indy, but the Colts themselves said that they didn't want to move down past 6.

 

Secondly, Rosen hasn't "sucked".  He's played like a rookie.  Rookies usually don't look great.

 

1 hour ago, WhyteDwarf said:

 

There are only two games left this season, we'll see if he leaves an impression on me that I can carry all offseason.  As of now, no, I'm still not there.

 

Yeah, that whole going 4-5 as a starter while having to be the team's entire offense thing just doesn't sit well with anyone :lol:

 

No offense dude: I think your biggest issue is magnificently unreal expectations of a rookie QB

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What's the point of being here if you have everyone on your ignore list?

 

I don't use the ignore feature, I read everyones post whether I agree with them or not, it's what makes this place go around. 

 

Don't really understand ignoring people but whatever.

 

It works well for banning the wannabe MODS or fandom card revokers.  Pure football arguments are all good.

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A couple of things here:

 

The Jets didn't "pull the wool" over anyone.  Buffalo was in on the trade talks with Indy, but the Colts themselves said that they didn't want to move down past 6.

 

Secondly, Rosen hasn't "sucked".  He's played like a rookie.  Rookies usually don't look great.

 

 

Yeah, that whole going 4-5 as a starter while having to be the team's entire offense thing just doesn't sit well with anyone :lol:

 

No offense dude: I think your biggest issue is magnificently unreal expectations of a rookie QB

 

Maybe my expectations for a rookie are too high, but I'll tell you, my expectations are only going to go up next season especially if they do indeed "take out the trash".

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3 minutes ago, WhyteDwarf said:

 

It works well for banning the wannabe MODS or fandom card revokers.  Pure football arguments are all good.

 

Maybe my expectations for a rookie are too high, but I'll tell you, my expectations are only going to go up next season especially if they do indeed "take out the trash".

 

This makes no sense, 


So you acknowledge that you have high expectations and that Allen is unlikely to meet them, then say, they will go even higher next year?

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6 minutes ago, WhyteDwarf said:

 

It works well for banning the wannabe MODS or fandom card revokers.  Pure football arguments are all good.

 

Maybe my expectations for a rookie are too high, but I'll tell you, my expectations are only going to go up next season especially if they do indeed "take out the trash".

must be a hell of a virus you have there. going in to day two and seems you have already made a name for yourself here.

 

again, just an observation.

 

 

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6 minutes ago, Bray Wyatt said:

 

This makes no sense, 


So you acknowledge that you have high expectations and that Allen is unlikely to meet them, then say, they will go even higher next year?

 

Yes, if he is surrounded with more talent, I expect more of everything from him.  Not sure I'd want to go as far as expecting playoff's, but I want to see a higher completion %, more passes, more yards, better TD:INT ratio, and ofc more wins.

 

I expect a franchise QB.

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26 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

And so, this guy's crusade against mcdermott continues.

 

How's McVay's team looked lately? And also noticing you left Pederson off the list of "esteemed" coaches. Hm.

 

 

First, why would I include Pederson?  My examples were of Offensive Coaches who arrived in their QBs second season and saved both of them (Goff and Trubiskys) from going in the bust bin and have them playing at Playoff level caliber (hint...both teams already have their divisions wrapped up and a combined record of 32-12).  Pederson if I recall and Wentz both arrived with the Eagles together.  So it’s not like the Eagles brought in Pederson to SAVE Wentz.

 

Second, I didn’t even mention Coach McDermott so exactly how is it a crusade against him?  I said the best thing for Rosen and Darnold would be to get an Offensive Minded Head Coach.  I am more convinced that having a strong defensive minded head coach is very important for Allen and this team right now.  Plus...McDermott has had enough success to not even warrant any thought of coaching change right now.

 

Come on now.

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