Are Mcdermott and Beane the worst group to run the bills since pollian ?

[BobChalmers]

1 hour ago, baskingridgebillsfan said:

usually people with small penises point out typo's    

 

Usually people with nothing intelligent to offer resort to name calling and personal attacks.

[ColoradoBills]

1 hour ago, baskingridgebillsfan said:

was the plan to be this bad? was the plan to draft a young qb and give him next to nothing to play with ?  was the plan to pass on a good qb in order to pay more to take a chance on one following year.   These are not good plans 

 

Did they plan on being this bad after 2 games?  Of course not.  They signed a couple of D FAs they wanted and spent what little they had left

on "band aids".  Most of the "band Aids" are not working out.

 

Drafting a QB who it is fairly obvious they wanted to sit for a while.  That plan "failed" with AJM playing so bad.

 

Passing on Mahomes.   This has been talked to death.  McDermott knew that Whaley was on the way out and that he and the new GM had to make

the young drafted QB "their guy".  He had to wait until this year (which was projected to be one of the best for QBs in a long time).

 

49 minutes ago, baskingridgebillsfan said:

that is a hand in the sand approach .  They did spend money heading into the season.  They thought they could put up a good d and win some games.  No body would ever want to field a team this poor.  The fact that they spent on d instead of helping the young qb is another blunder 

 

You are right about the D being much worse than they expected.  The beginning of this year has started out bad.  Very bad.

I for one have come to terms with the 1st 4 games being a mess and said so during the preseason.

This season is going to have to be scored in 3 separate groups.

 

1st 4 games.  No wins.

Games 5-10 up to the Bye week.  I expect them to get something going and win 2-3.

Games 11-16 after the Bye.  Once again 2-3 wins.

 

That's about 5-6 wins this year.  If McDermott get's them playing together and Josh Allen can improve maybe 1 or 2 more.

That would be a successful rebuilding year.

I would recommend waiting at least until game 12 before trashing everything Beane and McDermott.

[3rdand12]

2 minutes ago, BobChalmers said:

 

Usually people with nothing intelligent to offer resort to name calling and personal attacks.

and witty retorts like yours ?

 

j/k my friend

[quinnearlysghost88]

"the decision to pass on Mahomes." Should every team that passed on Mahomes fire their coach and GM?

Edited September 20, 2018 by quinnearlysghost88

[Augie]

5 minutes ago, BuffaloRush said:

 

Its a very negative and shortsighted way of looking at things.  

 

Sadly, it’s a way of life for some people. 

[The Crowing Rooster]

1 hour ago, baskingridgebillsfan said:

my point is this could be the worst roster in 30 years and they could have picked a Mahomes with you giving up any additionl capitol.   

OK! You said that before and before and before we get the point.

[Mango]

Honest answer....

 

not yet, but right now I think they’re on the fence. 

 

If they blow net offseason and they’re terrible again next year, they probably become part of that conversation.

 

Ive been highly critical of some of their moves, but also understand what they’re trying to do. For me they have the 2019 season. But the more they lose the deeper hole they are digging themselves. 

[3rdand12]

1 minute ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

Did they plan on being this bad after 2 games?  Of course not.  They signed a couple of D FAs they wanted and spent what little they had left

on "band aids".  Most of the "band Aids" are not working out.

 

Drafting a QB who it is fairly obvious they wanted to sit for a while.  That plan "failed" with AJM playing so bad.

 

Passing on Mahomes.   This has been talked to death.  McDermott knew that Whaley was on the way out and that he and the new GM had to make

the young drafted QB "their guy".  He had to wait until this year (which was projected to be one of the best for QBs in a long time).

 

 

You are right about the D being much worse than they expected.  The beginning of this year has started out bad.  Very bad.

I for one have come to terms with the 1st 4 games being a mess and said so during the preseason.

This season is going to have to be scored in 3 separate groups.

 

1st 4 games.  No wins.

Games 5-10 up to the Bye week.  I expect them to get something going and win 2-3.

Games 11-16 after the Bye.  Once again 2-3 wins.

 

That's about 5-6 wins this year.  If McDermott get's them playing together and Josh Allen can improve maybe 1 or 2 more.

That would be a successful rebuilding year.

I would recommend waiting at least until game 12 before trashing everything Beane and McDermott.

Good post on a couple levels.
 

I should have bolded the " at least wait until week 12 before taking shots at McBeanes " I am waiting till next years draft and FA before i get my Cupie Dolls and poking them with my Pitchforks.

 I have a ton of patience after trying to raise for Kids into adults perhaps.

2 minutes ago, quinnearlysghost88 said:

"the decision to pass on Mahomes." Should every team that passed on Mahomes fire their coach and GM?

Obviously ?

[Augie]

4 minutes ago, quinnearlysghost88 said:

"the decision to pass on Mahomes." Should every team that passed on Mahomes fire their coach and GM?

 

Yes, and the ones who DID draft him should be fired for not moving up farther to avoid the risk of missing out. 

[3rdand12]

1 minute ago, Mango said:

Honest answer....

 

not yet, but right now I think they’re on the fence. 

 

If they blow net offseason and they’re terrible again next year, they probably become part of that conversation.

 

Ive been highly critical of some of their moves, but also understand what they’re trying to do. For me they have the 2019 season. But the more they lose the deeper hole they are digging themselves. 

agreed.

 I was pleased how hard they played last year. How smart they appeared on defense without a pass rush. Team improved.
11 men on the field all season.
Not sure about player acquisition and retaining the right players.
 Rebuilding should not be a sweep of the hand clearing of the previous regimes desk regardless.
 They are struggling overall it appears. I suspect Coaching positions are not yet settled either , excepting Daboll.

 

Pegula has given these Kids a long leash though. It seems to me .

[sleeby]

54 minutes ago, Dablitzkrieg said:

This is a VERY Stupid statement.  This is not even close to what big market media put out there towards professional franchises.  This is nothing.  

Yea? Well, if we're gonna act like idiots then you're less than nothing - you're a sticky dingle on Rob Ryan's, sasquatch haired hinders the morning after three racks of ribs and a 12 of genny creamers.  Feckless, *VERY* Low IQ jerkface.  

 

Now go back to reading your big market media while waiting for your high profile management meetings.  Gosh.  IDIOT!

 

Edited September 20, 2018 by sleeby

[3rdand12]

1 minute ago, Augie said:

 

Yes, and the ones who DID draft him should be fired for not moving up farther to avoid the risk of missing out. 

He was just that sure of a pick. All the smart folks knew it.

 I missed it of course.

I am fine with Allen

[DC Tom]

1 hour ago, baskingridgebillsfan said:

If you Factor in the descion to pass on Mahomes , the current state of the roster, the fact that they made a major investment in Allen , who is far from a sure thing, the jettisone of any player whith the slightest quirk in his personality this is the wost group to run the organization since Pollian took over.  

 

I miss the good old days when I could point out, factually and accurately and without the mods getting upset, that someone who posts something this idiotic is a mentally deranged little turd.  Instead, I'm required to be nice, and tell you "Good point, keep up the good work!"  But I don't actually have to mean it, and it's entirely possible I'm thinking "Geez, what a mentally deranged little turd" while I type it.

 

 

So...Good point, keep up the good work!    

[Rigotz]

1 hour ago, baskingridgebillsfan said:

If you Factor in the descion to pass on Mahomes , the current state of the roster, the fact that they made a major investment in Allen , who is far from a sure thing, the jettisone of any player whith the slightest quirk in his personality this is the wost group to run the organization since Pollian took over.  

 

This time of year is awesome because all of the fans that don't know anything make posts like this...

and then you can easily identify them and block them forever. Bye bye!

[EasternOHBillsFan]

Hey slappy, here is a clue... LMAO

 

#9 Worst Moment in Bills History: Bills Hire Tom Donahoe

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

1 minute ago, DC Tom said:

 

I miss the good old days when I could point out, factually and accurately and without the mods getting upset, that someone who posts something this idiotic is a mentally deranged little turd.  Instead, I'm required to be nice, and tell you "Good point, keep up the good work!"  But I don't actually have to mean it, and it's entirely possible I'm thinking "Geez, what a mentally deranged little turd" while I type it.

 

 

So...Good point, keep up the good work!    

 

...pretty sure his medical furlough is over at 6PM anyway.................

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

13 minutes ago, quinnearlysghost88 said:

"the decision to pass on Mahomes." Should every team that passed on Mahomes fire their coach and GM?

Mahomes has played 2 games btw.  Also Alex Smith had the highest QB rating in the NFL last year - without Watkins.  Just some food for thought.

Oh - and they beat the patriots and eagles to start the season.  

Edited September 20, 2018 by dneveu

[Augie]

1 minute ago, 3rdand12 said:

He was just that sure of a pick. All the smart folks knew it.

 I missed it of course.

I am fine with Allen

 

I do wish we had the luxury of bringing Allen along more in the fashion that Mahommes was, slowly behind a great mentor and then placed into an offense full of weapons. How many of our offensive players could start for the Chiefs? 

[Foxx]

[Big Turk]

They are doing exactly what they wanted to do. Tear it down and rebuild it properly with what they believe is a solid foundation for sustained success.

 

I agree that it probably had to happen. I have no idea if its going to work. Just because you do things the right way doesnt mean they always will work.

Edited September 20, 2018 by matter2003

[gjv001]

If Allen turns out to be a quality franchise QB, Beane and McDermott have a good shot of being very successful. With the most important member of the roster in place and playing at a very high level, it becomes very likely that you can build a perennial contender. Buffalo hasn't had luxury since Jim Kelly. 

[3rdand12]

2 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

I miss the good old days when I could point out, factually and accurately and without the mods getting upset, that someone who posts something this idiotic is a mentally deranged little turd.  Instead, I'm required to be nice, and tell you "Good point, keep up the good work!"  But I don't actually have to mean it, and it's entirely possible I'm thinking "Geez, what a mentally deranged little turd" while I type it.

 

 

So...Good point, keep up the good work!    

Nice to see you are aware of "boundaries"

 And even more delightful ? how you skillfully navigate around them.

 Bravo indeed !!

 

[Búfalo Blanco]

I mean, when you title a thread with a claim that Bill Polian (and you spell his name wrong, no less) was at the bottom of the barrel in modern day Buffalo GM duties... your poor judgement is going to be called out. He built the Super Bowl teams with the Bills and won a Super Bowl doing the same in Indy. 

[3rdand12]

3 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

I do wish we had the luxury of bringing Allen along more in the fashion that Mahommes was, slowly behind a great mentor and then placed into an offense full of weapons. How many of our offensive players could start for the Chiefs? 

I sincerely believe the Team was initially built to do just that. Allen sitting.
next year has been the year of tuning up the roster, and perhaps some Coaches.

Best laid plans of mice and men...

and then things happened. bad things man

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

..sadly I do miss the old gang and would welcome back Brandon, Whaley, Marv, Buddy and Littman  in a nanosecond......they were FAR superior to Polian anyway......

[3rdand12]

6 minutes ago, Foxx said:

winning the internet with this.

 saved

 I have lotsa use for this gif

 Thank you thank you

[BuffaloRush]

19 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

Sadly, it’s a way of life for some people. 

 

The negativity here is off the charts.  Some people really are just out of touch with reality or just so used to losing.  The fact that people are calling for Beane and McDermott’s job already is not only reactionary...but it borders on the edge of delusions of grandeur 

[Rico]

1 hour ago, RochesterRob said:

  Seriously?  In any event that honor goes to Levy and Jauron.  Donahoe deserves dishonorable mention.

 

[BananaB]

Jesus Christ, it’s two games after ending a 17 year playoff  draught.

[BuffaloRush]

Just now, BananaB said:

Jesus Christ, it’s two games after ending a 17 year playoff  draught.

Delusions of grandeur.  People are so unrealistics, it’s not funny

[3rdand12]

1 minute ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

..sadly I do miss the old gang and would welcome back Brandon, Whaley, Marv, Buddy and Littman  in a nanosecond......they were FAR superior to Polian anyway......

a colored history ,, the Bills. some ups some downs. some more downs. nearly two decades of downs . setting records downs.

 

Good times.

 I can deal with whatever the New "Gang that couldn't Shoot Straight"  rolls or tumble out.

 

Go Bills !

[liverpoolkev]

2 hours ago, baskingridgebillsfan said:

If you Factor in the descion to pass on Mahomes , the current state of the roster, the fact that they made a major investment in Allen , who is far from a sure thing, the jettisone of any player whith the slightest quirk in his personality this is the wost group to run the organization since Pollian took over.  

Of course they are. This is Karma for Whaley stealing Shady for Kiko  or Highes for another linebacker (can't remember his name) I WISH THIS PRESENT COACH/GM COULD ACQUIRE TALENT LIKE THAT…...This regime is no more than Chip Kelly without the winning pedigree 

[billsfan89]

Are you !@#$ing serious with this question? This has to be trolling. Now it could be that the McBeane experiment fails. But after a playoff appearance and what looks to be a rebuilding year in 2018 it is hardly enough to say they are doing a bad job, esp if you factor in that they have used 2017 (Despite the playoff appearance) and 2018 to put themselves in position to build a team around a young affordable QB in 2019. 

 

I will grant you this if they wiff on their 2019 cap space and draft classes and Allen is a bust then McBeane will have failed and will be as craptacular as anyone except maybe Marv and Jauron (At least McBeane will have the playoff appearance.) But there is no way you can look at McBeane and think they are worse than some of the bad regimes that preceded them at worst they get an incomplete grade. 

[3rdand12]

3 minutes ago, Rico said:

 

Brandon knows he has Hookers tonight. Whaley is baked already.
you guys see what i was inferring now ?

 Thanks Rico for the assist.

 Much more fun than Players and Winning. see the joy ?

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

5 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:

a colored history ,, the Bills. some ups some downs. some more downs. nearly two decades of downs . setting records downs.

 

Good times.

 I can deal with whatever the New "Gang that couldn't Shoot Straight"  rolls or tumble out.

 

Go Bills !

 

....HINT: sarcasm..........

[The Wiz]

4 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:

Brandon knows he has Hookers tonight. Whaley is baked already.
you guys see what i was inferring now ?

 Thanks Rico for the assist.

 Much more fun than Players and Winning. see the joy ?

Well based on that assessment wouldn't you agree that these guys are player and winning?

Edited September 20, 2018 by The Wiz

[billsfan89]

Just now, liverpoolkev said:

Of course they are. This is Karma for Whaley stealing Shady for Kiko  or Highes for another linebacker (can't remember his name) I WISH THIS PRESENT COACH/GM COULD ACQUIRE TALENT LIKE THAT…...This regime is no more than Chip Kelly without the winning pedigree 

 

Whaley was good at pro-personnel decisions. But he was also were pretty bad at drafting. I also think that Whaley was also not good with managing the cap. He wasn't tragic at it but Whaley's big spending pretty much capped out the team for several seasons afterwards. I think Whaley was more mediocrity waiting to happen as you can't build a sustained winner without good to great drafting. You can plug holes and fill in some spots with free agents and trades but you build the base with the draft and although the jury is still out on the 2017 and 2018 draft classes for the Bills I do like the 2017 class (White and Dawkins could be real building blocks, Milano a late round pick is a solid starter, and Zay still has time to turn it around) more than I liked any of Whaley's drafts. 

[ColoradoBills]

6 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

I do wish we had the luxury of bringing Allen along more in the fashion that Mahommes was, slowly behind a great mentor and then placed into an offense full of weapons. How many of our offensive players could start for the Chiefs? 

 

So do I Augie.

 

 

The "Bills should of done.................... {Insert QB name here}...................." crowd is using Mahomes as the flavor of the week.

I notice there hasn't been any Deshaun Watson threads being started.  Where are all the should of drafted Dak Prescott doomsayers?

I remember on the old board all kinds of posters saying the Bills should of ""tanked" to get Winston/Mariota.

 

My point is it will take more than a few games to judge Josh Allen despite what some say!

[3rdand12]

Just now, The Wiz said:

Well based on that assessment wouldn't you agree that these guys are player and winning?

Been respecting your perspective for a couple years now.

Can see what you're suggesting. But need time to mull it over.
 

 one thing to consider. were these guys thinking long term with team building ? Or trying to win now with short sighted efforts ?

[liverpoolkev]

4 minutes ago, BuffaloRush said:

 

The negativity here is off the charts.  Some people really are just out of touch with reality or just so used to losing.  The fact that people are calling for Beane and McDermott’s job already is not only reactionary...but it borders on the edge of delusions of grandeur 

Sorry we don't do the rose colored glasses crap... We can see if you can acquire talent or not.... 1st they could have had Mahommes or Watson so there we be no give up any assets to move up  for an inaccurate third level conference QB ; 2nd ) Are you not tired of seeing Kelvin B not trying to catch a pass? We got rid of a 2 very productive (Watson,Woods ) WR for that crap and we gave a third round pick for  Kelvin . Oh How about the Jordan Mathews failed experiment don't for get we traded up gave up two picks for the ZAY jones disaster. How could this staff justify the  Mike Tolbert experiment he was  old as heck but  we let young, who were on their first contract, players go...….A rebuild should not have the  7th oldest roster in the NFL.....