Seanbillsfan2206 Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 7 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: According to your post, if he gets $3,000 per month for each year of service (11) is $33,000 per x12 - $396,000 per year. Well then I’m not sure how these guys can even afford to eat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 This letter makes the HOFers look really bad. We want ours, screw the non-HOFers. This is so wrong on many levels. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Gugny said: Nice of them to segregate themselves from their peers. Guess they would have been Hall of Famers with no help from the rest of their respective teams. This is, in my opinion, a supreme douche move. Agreed. This is really sad. HoFers get a “salary” while the guys that helped them become HoFers don’t. I’m really baffled by this. Ultimate greed. I would rather the nfl just say see ya. Then they will fade away never to be seen again unless they have tv jobs. Edited September 18, 2018 by NewEra 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 This is just about the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Stop honoring them, and disallow them the use of the NFL, the team they played for, and Hall of Fame to promote themselves. Easy enough. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vorpma Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 14 minutes ago, I am the egg man said: In 20 years, maybe sooner, the NFL will become the NASCAR of the big three pro team sports. Kids playing football is dropping rapidly compared to basketball and baseball. The NBA and MLB can count on the millions of kids who play the game outside of the U.S. No kids playing U.S. football anywhere else but here. High schools dropping it everywhere here. Definitely food for thought, good post! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 32 minutes ago, I am the egg man said: In 20 years, maybe sooner, the NFL will become the NASCAR of the big three pro team sports. Kids playing football is dropping rapidly compared to basketball and baseball. The NBA and MLB can count on the millions of kids who play the game outside of the U.S. No kids playing U.S. football anywhere else but here. High schools dropping it everywhere here. For people who think that can't happen, loom what happened to boxing. The heavyweight champ used to be the most famous person on Earth. Now? I have no idea who it even is. That happened in roughly 20 years time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, That's No Moon said: For people who think that can't happen, loom what happened to boxing. The heavyweight champ used to be the most famous person on Earth. Now? I have no idea who it even is. That happened in roughly 20 years time. Of course it could happen. It could happen to any sport. The NFL may yet win its wars and still be going strong in 15 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4_kidd_4 Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 35 minutes ago, I am the egg man said: In 20 years, maybe sooner, the NFL will become the NASCAR of the big three pro team sports. Kids playing football is dropping rapidly compared to basketball and baseball. The NBA and MLB can count on the millions of kids who play the game outside of the U.S. No kids playing U.S. football anywhere else but here. High schools dropping it everywhere here. Not to mention the 3+ hour affair that is a typical NFL game. Sunday’s game was painfully long, no way the under 20yo generations will sit through them. I have a hard enough time making it through an entire game if I’m not there. They have to find a way to streamline the action with less breaks. But I say let the whole league burn. That Clay Matthews “penalty” really drives it home; this isn’t football anymore. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 34 minutes ago, NewEra said: Agreed. This is really sad. HoFers get a “salary” while the guys that helped them become HoFers don’t. I’m really baffled by this. Ultimate greed. I would rather the nfl just say see ya. Then they will fade away never to be seen again unless they have tv jobs. Golic and Wingo made a good point this morning: There's no way in hell the NFL would agree to providing all NFL Vets with lifetime health benefits and a salary. So the HOFers decided, "well, maybe if we present it as a significantly smaller group, they'll be more agreeable." Dirty, selfish bastards, if you ask me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 Since they already get a pension, could the "salary" they are requesting be that they want to be paid for being in the hall of fame and appearing each year at the event? This argument would be similar to the one in college football that the players should be paid because they are the ones on the field and making the schools and NCAA money off of them. Could the HOFers want pay because they are being used to make the HOF and NFL money by being "attractions" to the event and HOF? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 2 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Many of these guys certainly did not make millions. Who on that list besides Sarah White didn’t make millions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted September 18, 2018 Author Share Posted September 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Who on that list besides Sarah White didn’t make millions? Look at any of the players from the 60's through the 80's and you'll have the answer you're looking for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Look at any of the players from the 60's through the 80's and you'll have the answer you're looking for. The 80s is when they really started making good money, and that's almost 40 years ago. How many players on that list are from that era? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 (sigh) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Egg Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, BringBackOrton said: Of course it could happen. It could happen to any sport. The NFL may yet win its wars and still be going strong in 15 years. 21 minutes ago, I am the egg man said: I could see the NHL fading out before the NFL. But the NFL has issues to face the NBA and MLB will never have.... ....a dwindling talent pool, having to sissify and over officiate the game yearly and rich greedy ex-players willing to ruin the sport for further financial gain. Edited September 18, 2018 by I am the egg man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Look at any of the players from the 60's through the 80's and you'll have the answer you're looking for. just saying the guys who’s names are on that document pretty much all earned millions. namath? Millions.... obviously the guys from the 40s who are dead, didn’t. Edited September 18, 2018 by Over 29 years of fanhood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted September 18, 2018 Author Share Posted September 18, 2018 Just now, Over 29 years of fanhood said: just saying the guys who’s names are on that document pretty much all earned millions. I don't believe they are taking up the cause for just themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 1 hour ago, Gugny said: Golic and Wingo made a good point this morning: There's no way in hell the NFL would agree to providing all NFL Vets with lifetime health benefits and a salary. So the HOFers decided, "well, maybe if we present it as a significantly smaller group, they'll be more agreeable." Dirty, selfish bastards, if you ask me. True. No chance everyone gets it. Just a greedy elitist mentality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichFan Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 39 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: I don't believe they are taking up the cause for just themselves. So they are going to refuse any association with the HOF until they get their salary and benefits, and then what? Make the same threat again until everyone gets it? That wouldn’t be negotiating in good faith. Awfully convenient how they think they need to start with themselves first, when they are the ones that need it the least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted September 18, 2018 Author Share Posted September 18, 2018 3 minutes ago, MichFan said: So they are going to refuse any association with the HOF until they get their salary and benefits, and then what? Make the same threat again until everyone gets it? That wouldn’t be negotiating in good faith. Awfully convenient how they think they need to start with themselves first, when they are the ones that need it the least. You're assuming quite a bit about the financial status of pro football hall of famers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 41 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: You're assuming quite a bit about the financial status of pro football hall of famers. how is that remotely my problem in the most imaginative universe? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted September 18, 2018 Author Share Posted September 18, 2018 Just now, row_33 said: how is that remotely my problem in the most imaginative universe? Strange post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayboy54 Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 Looks like we won't have to see all those old guys in their hideous yellow blazers anymore. Fine with me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 5 hours ago, T master said: I would definitely say that those guys that were playing before the inflated salaries of today came around deserve to be included in a employee pension plan & they have a very good case especially when it comes to Goodell making some $40 Mill per year & the $1.4 Billion in NFL revenue that they generate . Not quite sure what to think about guys like TO that have blown some $80 million that they made while playing the game ? But being part of the NFL they should have a vested interest in a pension plan of some sort ... Why? If I work for a company and retire, then a decade later that company gets huge, I can't hi back and ask for a new pension because the company is doing better now. This is idiotic. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 2 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Look at any of the players from the 60's through the 80's and you'll have the answer you're looking for. ....yup, good 'ol Billy Shaw (Guard- '61 to '69).......used to take off from his cement mixing job to play for Bills at a whopping 18 grand a year.....cigarette & a beer in the locker room after the game.....season ends and he's back home mixing cement....worked until full SS time so he could retire with some money...NFL pension?.....pittance....want to read a sad story?...try Conrad Dobler......yup he was Mr Dirty....32 knee surgeries and 8 knee replacements.....pretty much crippled and addicted to pain killers...another pension pittance..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 Kurt Warner says he never consented to his name being on it: https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/09/18/kurt-warner-says-his-name-was-mistakenly-put-on-hall-of-famers-letter/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 17 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said: Kurt Warner says he never consented to his name being on it: https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/09/18/kurt-warner-says-his-name-was-mistakenly-put-on-hall-of-famers-letter/ And Jerry Rice didn't sign on either. The NFLPA and De Smith deserve each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Strange post. how is it my concern that an ex-NFL player didn't save his earnings? Edited September 18, 2018 by row_33 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 Looking like these guys were added without their prior knowledge. Even if in fact they were to stop attending the NFL owns thousands of hours of game footage, interviews and their own induction to the HoF. Their physical presence is really not needed much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 (edited) Yeah I keep hearing about all those computer programmers from the 1950s and 60s ringing the phones off the hook cause they are demanding to be retro-paid at today's salary levels for the work they did 50 years ago... I mean does this make ANY sense on ANY level? You are paid what you are paid based on how much teams made at the time. You dont get to cash in 40 years later because you helped "pave the way". You want more money? Go to more autograph signings. Problem solved. 6 hours ago, Cheektowaga Chad said: That's a great pension plan they have Do players have to be vested to get in? Or as long as you have an accrued season? Does the cba end before the nfl's 100th season or after? Outside of government employees who the hell else gets pension plans anymore?? Welcome to how the rest of the 99% of Americans live. Except we cant get paid several grand anytime we need some money by going to autograph signings. Edited September 18, 2018 by matter2003 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted September 18, 2018 Author Share Posted September 18, 2018 23 minutes ago, row_33 said: how is it my concern that an ex-NFL player didn't save his earnings? It isn't and no one thinks it is. I find it strange that you somehow make the story about you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 On a Side note. Thats fine. You can stay at home it is about the new inductees Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 41 minutes ago, No Place To Hyde said: Looking like these guys were added without their prior knowledge. Even if in fact they were to stop attending the NFL owns thousands of hours of game footage, interviews and their own induction to the HoF. Their physical presence is really not needed much. They can hologram them like Tupac https://youtu.be/TGbrFmPBV0Y Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 Then they shouldn't go or pay for their busts and rent on the space in Canton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted September 18, 2018 Author Share Posted September 18, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Green Lightning said: Then they shouldn't go or pay for their busts and rent on the space in Canton. You do realize the Hall of Fame makes money on these guys through the cost of admission and memorabilia that fans pay year round. Edited September 18, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 Just now, 26CornerBlitz said: You do realize the Hall of Fame makes money on these guys through the cost of admission that fans pay year round. Gotta pay the rent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichFan Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 3 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: You're assuming quite a bit about the financial status of pro football hall of famers. No, I’m not assuming anything about the financial status of those players listed. Most of those players are multi-millionaires. Easily found with Google search. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted September 18, 2018 Author Share Posted September 18, 2018 Just now, MichFan said: No, I’m not assuming anything about the financial status of those players listed. Most of those players are multi-millionaires. Easily found with Google search. Most hall of famers are most certainly not and for that matter neither are most modern day players. You are simply incorrect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichFan Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 15 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Most hall of famers are most certainly not and for that matter neither are most modern day players. You are simply incorrect. You keep expanding the scope to all HOFers and now modern day players. The only people on record demanding salaries and benefits are the 18 players in the letter, minus 2 who have backed out. There aren’t any poverty stricken names on that list, most are multi-millionaires. I’m simply 100% correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted September 18, 2018 Author Share Posted September 18, 2018 Just now, MichFan said: You keep expanding the scope to all HOFers and now modern day players. The only people on record demanding salaries and benefits are the 18 players in the letter, minus 2 who have backed out. There aren’t any poverty stricken names on that list, most are multi-millionaires. I’m simply 100% correct. You continue to post the financial status of these guys with no evidence. What you're posting is 100% conjecture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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