Pro Football Hall of Famers Won't Attend Induction Ceremonies without Salary and Benefits

[MichFan]

1 hour ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

You continue to post the financial status of these guys with no evidence.  What you're posting is 100% conjecture.

Wrong. I already looked it up. I told you it was easily Googled, but that’s too much work for you apparently. Fact: Most of the players are multi-millionaires, and that’s even without knowing the net worth of 6 of them.

 

12 players have net worths of between $4 million and $50 million:

Marcus Allen

Derrick Brooks

Jim Brown

Earl Campbell

Eric Dickerson

Marshall Faulk

Ronnie Lott

Curtis Martin

Joe Namath

Deion Sanders

Bruce Smith

Reggie White

 

1 player does not have net worth available but made bank during his career:

John Randle

 

2 players made bank during their careers, were multi-millionaires and blew most of their money:

Lawrence Taylor

Richard Dent

 

Net worths are not available for 5 players:

Mel Blount

Carl Eller

Mike Haynes

Rickey Jackson

Jackie Smith

 

 

 

 

[Augie]

And I’m not going to watch without a beer allowance!!! 

[26CornerBlitz]

8 minutes ago, MichFan said:

Wrong. I already looked it up. I told you it was easily Googled, but that’s too much work for you apparently. Fact: Most of the players are multi-millionaires, and that’s even without knowing the net worth of 6 of them.

 

12 players have net worths of between $4 million and $50 million:

Marcus Allen

Derrick Brooks

Jim Brown

Earl Campbell

Eric Dickerson

Marshall Faulk

Ronnie Lott

Curtis Martin

Joe Namath

Deion Sanders

Bruce Smith

Reggie White

 

1 player does not have net worth available but made bank during his career:

John Randle

 

2 players made bank during their careers, were multi-millionaires and blew most of their money:

Lawrence Taylor

Richard Dent

 

Net worths are not available for 5 players:

Mel Blount

Carl Eller

Mike Haynes

Rickey Jackson

Jackie Smith

 

I'll repeat what I posted earlier: "Most hall of famers are most certainly not"

Edited September 19, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz

[Augie]

 

 

Fine, stay home guys. You got paid when you worked, just as I did. Differentiating between HOF and non-HOF players lost me. 

[MichFan]

6 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

I'll repeat what I post earlier: "Most hall of famers are most certainly not"

Most Hall of Famers are not threatening to boycott the Hall of Fame if they don’t get a salary and benefits from the league. Of the ones that are, most are multi-millionaires.

[Augie]

1 minute ago, MichFan said:

Most Hall of Famers are not threatening to boycott the Hall of Fame if they don’t get a salary and benefits from the league. Of the ones that are, most are multi-millionaires.

 

Well then we have plenty of warm bodies to show up. I really don’t care if they don’t want to go. Watch on TV like the rest of us. It’s not YOUR show, but it would be respectful to the new inductees. But do your thing. 

[26CornerBlitz]

1 minute ago, MichFan said:

Most Hall of Famers are not threatening to boycott the Hall of Fame if they don’t get a salary and benefits from the league. Of the ones that are, most are multi-millionaires.

 

I can tell that you only looked at the names and didn't read the letter because as I posted much earlier in the thread, they are not making demands for just the names on the list.

[Augie]

The ones who don’t have $1,000,000 probably took the hookers and coke suggestion from the other thread.....

[MichFan]

6 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

I can tell that you only looked at the names and didn't read the letter because as I posted much earlier in the thread, they are not making demands for just the names on the list.

I read the entire letter. The only people threatening to boycott are the names on the list, minus two who backed out. If other HOFers felt so inclined they could have signed their names as well.

Edited September 19, 2018 by MichFan

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, MichFan said:

I read the entire letter. The only people threatening to boycott are the names on the list, minus two who backed out. If other HOFes felt so inclined they could have signed their names as well.

 

Who signed the letter isn't the same as who the demands are being made for. 

[SinceThe70s]

4 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

 

Fine, stay home guys. You got paid when you worked, just as I did. Differentiating between HOF and non-HOF players lost me. 

 

It would be a different conversation for me if they were using their status as HOFers to advocate for themselves as well as non-HOFers.

 

Where we disagree is "Fine, stay home guys". IMO, part of the induction ceremony is being celebrated amongst your peers and becoming part of  that elite group. Having that elite group cheapen the day for next years inductees leaves a bad taste in my mouth. 

[Augie]

2 minutes ago, SinceThe70s said:

 

It would be a different conversation for me if they were using their status as HOFers to advocate for themselves as well as non-HOFers.

 

Where we disagree is "Fine, stay home guys". IMO, part of the induction ceremony is being celebrated amongst your peers and becoming part of  that elite group. Having that elite group cheapen the day for next years inductees leaves a bad taste in my mouth. 

 

I don’t LIKE the idea of them staying home, but I would refuse to be held hostage. I’m just that way, it’s a matter of principle. If they won’t come for the right reasons, I stick with “fine, stay home”.  This looks cheesy in my mind by the guys who think this is OK. What’s next? TO would show up for induction for $1 mil? It’s a bad look for them and hurts the new inductees (as I noted above), but I don’t like blackmail, and that’s what this feels like. 

[SinceThe70s]

1 minute ago, Augie said:

 

I don’t LIKE the idea of them staying home, but I would refuse to be held hostage. I’m just that way, it’s a matter of principle. If they won’t come for the right reasons, I stick with “fine, stay home”.  This looks cheesy in my mind by the guys who think this is OK. What’s next? TO would show up for induction for $1 mil? It’s a bad look for them and hurts the new inductees (as I noted above), but I don’t like blackmail, and that’s what this feels like. 

 

I thought you were talking from your own point of view with "fine say home" not the Hall's. On this we agree. It's blackmail pure and simple.

 

I was just on espn and it looks like the united front may not be so united. Jerry Rice and Kurt Warner were not "on board". Ironically they spelled Carl Ellard (sic) correctly this time around.

 

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/24720441/group-hall-famers-threaten-boycott-induction-ceremony-nfl-provides-health-insurance-annual-salaries

 

[MichFan]

1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Who signed the letter isn't the same as who the demands are being made for. 

So what? Who anointed Eric Dickerson and his buddies as representatives of all HOFers? If the real issue is older generation players, why do all the newer generation wealthy players need these entitlements?

[26CornerBlitz]

5 minutes ago, MichFan said:

So what? Who anointed Eric Dickerson and his buddies as representatives of all HOFers? If the real issue is older generation players, why do all the newer generation wealthy players need these entitlements?

 

I love how you dismiss it with the Eric Dickerson and his buddies.  They formed a Hall of Fame Board to speak not only for themselves. You act as if they're asking you for money. 

 

The average career is 3.3 years.  You think the average NFL player is wealthy?

 

 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

 

What a sad letter, like pathetic.  Mythogolizing?  The average fan who looked up to these guys as incredible athletes gets up 4 times a night because their prostate is as big as a tennis ball, they are worried about low T and spend as much time checking their sugar as they do reading a stat line. 

 

I have no issue if they can work with the NFL to get a slice of the pie, but leaving the rest of the brotherhood to fend for themselves while they get theirs is sad.  They should be forced to listen to Bruce Springsteen's Glory Days 100x before they write their next letter. 

 

[Augie]

2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

I love how you dismiss it with the Eric Dickerson and his buddies.  They formed a Hall of Fame Board to speak not only for themselves. You act as if they're asking you for money. 

 

The average career is 3.3 years.  You think the average NFL player is wealthy?

 

To be fair, all this money ultimately comes from us so, yeah....it’s our money. It’s our cost to view paying for this. 

 

This seems like a CBA issue to me. I have no idea why HOF guys think they have any say.  Stay home for the HOF game, it may ruin the experience for the new inductees, but I’m not being held hostage if you want to be greedy. Jerks. I’m all for better health care, so you guys trade that for income in the next CBA. That would be the smart thing to do, but they will want cash, then ask for more benefits later. They had their deal, why should they have a seat at the table asking for charity now? 

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[MichFan]

2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

The average career is 3.3 years.  You think the average NFL player is wealthy?

Why should all NFL players be wealthy? Most people have 45 year careers and struggle financially their whole life. Why do you value the work of a football player more than any other occupation?

 

I have a friend who played a few years in the league, never as a starter. Got cut and now he works a blue collar job. His years in the NFL were the best time of his life and by far the most profitable. Why does the NFL owe him anything else?

[Augie]

 

 

Full disclosure: I didn’t read any of their propaganda. There’s nothing pertinent they can really add as I don’t see how they have any real standing. 

[Punching Bag]

12 hours ago, Wayne Cubed said:

Honestly they should be speaking for all former players, not just the Hall of Fame ones. The Hall of Fame players at least have name recognition still and can do events/signings. 

 

Those who want it for Hall of Famers should audition for live action Grinch movie.

[26CornerBlitz]

1 minute ago, MichFan said:

Why should all NFL players be wealthy? Most people have 45 year careers and struggle financially their whole life. Why do you value the work of a football player more than any other occupation?

 

I have a friend who played a few years in the league, never as a starter. Got cut and now he works a blue collar job. His years in the NFL were the best time of his life and by far the most profitable. Why does the NFL owe him anything else?

 

Who said they should?  Like everyday jobs are the same as professional athletes?  Seems like you value it since you're here as a fan. 

[Augie]

2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

 

I listened to the first 25 seconds, then was too offended to continue. Maybe I missed a good point. Did they NOT negotiate these CBA’s? They agreed to it, right? Why should NON-HOF players not get the same benefits? I admit this annoyed me to the point of being too lazy to spend much time on what sounds just silly. Maybe if someone can answer those questions I can get more deeply engaged. 

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, Augie said:

 

I listened to the first 25 seconds, then was too offended to continue. Maybe I missed a good point. Did they NOT negotiate these CBA’s? They agreed to it, right? Why should NON-HOF players not get the same benefits? I admit this annoyed me to the point of being too lazy to spend much time on what sounds just silly. Maybe if someone can answer those questions I can get more deeply engaged. 

 

Retired players aren't part of CBA negotiations. 

[MichFan]

1 minute ago, Augie said:

 

I listened to the first 25 seconds, then was too offended to continue. Maybe I missed a good point. Did they NOT negotiate these CBA’s? They agreed to it, right? Why should NON-HOF players not get the same benefits? I admit this annoyed me to the point of being too lazy to spend much time on what sounds just silly. Maybe if someone can answer those questions I can get more deeply engaged. 

I listened a little longer. It was all about the old timers not having good benefits. But of course, instead of fighting just for those players, they are trying to pad their own pockets as well.

[Augie]

1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Retired players aren't part of CBA negotiations. 

 

But they voted on CBA’s as active players. They agreed to the deals they have. It’s like me going back to the banks I worked for and asking for a raise. “I’m sorry, but you haven’t worked here in 20 years. Maybe what you need is better mental health care, because you’ve failed to grasp the concept here.”  And if they wanted better mental health care in their deal, they should have traded some up front cash to get it. THIS is the deal they signed up for. 

[The Bills Blog]

The fact that they have the stones to say the pension isn't good shows how spoiled they are. Shows they have no idea how the real world works. Unreal.

[26CornerBlitz]

4 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

But they voted on CBA’s as active players. They agreed to the deals they have. It’s like me going back to the banks I worked for and asking for a raise. “I’m sorry, but you haven’t worked here in 20 years. Maybe what you need is better mental health care, because you’ve failed to grasp the concept here.”  And if they wanted better mental health care in their deal, they should have traded some up front cash to get it. THIS is the deal they signed up for. 

 

Tell that to a guy like Joe DeLamielleure.

 

2 minutes ago, The Bills Blog said:

The fact that they have the stones to say the pension isn't good shows how spoiled they are. Shows they have no idea how the real world works. Unreal.

 

What real world job do you have that has you essentially having multiple high impact collisions 16 times per year?

Edited September 19, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz

[The Bills Blog]

3 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Tell that to a guy like Joe DeLamielleure.

 

 

 What real world job do you have that has you essentially having multiple high impact collisions 16 times per year?

Give me a break. Hundreds of thousands of dollars a year should be enough for anyone. Come on.

 

It's absolutely insulting to suggest that the pension is inadequate.

Edited September 19, 2018 by The Bills Blog

[Augie]

1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Tell that to a guy like Joe DeLamielleure.

 

I know he’s a serious hard head with a chip on his shoulder. Did he not have a CBA that had been voted upon? He always had the option of not playing. Don’t get me wrong, I want nothing but the best for these guys, seriously!  But I think this is a second class move in an attempt to get something for nothing. I’d like the bank to double my pension, but I won’t embarrass myself by whining about it. 

[26CornerBlitz]

3 minutes ago, The Bills Blog said:

Give me a break. Hundreds of thousands of dollars a year should be enough for anyone. Come on.

 

It's absolutely insulting to suggest that the pension is inadequate.

 

How many guys make that and for how long?   Do you begrudge owners who make billions? 

[Capco]

The players make what they make because the NFL makes obscene levels of money.  

 

They absolutely should get more of the golden goose.  The current CBA is inadequate.  

 

That being said, I'm not sure this is the best way to go about getting a fairer share.  

[Augie]

 

I was too late to get this part about 16 collision games. Coal miners don’t have such a great deal. But they know what their job entails. Did Joe NOT know that football is a violent game? Because it was pretty obvious to me. My son passed on college scholarship options because he knew it was time to move on in life in a way that did less damage to his body and better prepared him for a future. He never had a chance to make millions playing. We all make our choices, and then we have to live with them. 

Edited September 19, 2018 by Augie

[Rob's House]

I'm a capitalist so I support everybody trying to maximize their earnings, but !@#$ these guys.

 

Almost everyone on that list was paid very well to do a job. They benefited from the NFL far more than the NFL benefited from them. If none of those guys had ever been born the NFL would be just as big. The next best guys would be the superstars and we'd never know the difference.

 

This is just a reminder that if I really knew these entitled ass wipes I probably wouldn't like them. I'd like to think if Fred Jackson was a hall of famer he wouldn't have signed that bull **** letter.

[26CornerBlitz]

6 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

I was too late to get this part. Coal miners don’t have such a great deal. But they know what their job entails. Did Joe NOT know that football is a violent game? Because it was pretty obvious to me. My son passed on college scholarship options because he knew it was time to move on in life in a way that did less damage to his body and better prepared him for a future. He never had a chance to make millions playing. We all make our choices, and then we have to live with them. 

 

When was the last time you watched a coal miner do his job on tv or on his job site with him generating billions while entertaining others?  Not a valid comparison. 

Edited September 19, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz

[Rob's House]

2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

When was the last time you watched a coal miner do his job on tv or on his job site with him generating billions while entertaining others?  Not a valid comparison. 

When was the last time you saw a coal miner sign a multi-million dollar contract?

[Augie]

6 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

When was the last time you watched a coal miner do his job on tv or on his job site with him generating billions while entertaining others?  Not a valid comparison. 

 

He gets paid what the market allows. That is ALWAYS a valid comparison. A coal miner doesn’t make $3,000,000 per year. 

 

A coal miner doesn’t make $3,000,000 in several (shortened) lifetimes! 

Edited September 19, 2018 by Augie

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, Rob's House said:

When was the last time you saw a coal miner sign a multi-million dollar contract?

 

The same as the last time their work generated a multi-billion dollar television deal. 

[Rob's House]

Just now, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

The same as the last time their work generated a multi-billion dollar television deal. 

So what is the point you're trying to make?

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, Rob's House said:

So what is the point you're trying to make?

 

Refuting the point you attempted to make but failed.