I don't think the Pegulas signed off on this

[billsfan1959]

Just now, COTC said:

May I suggest a dictionary?

You could. A better suggestion would be to make sense in your posts. 

 

#wordsalad

[CountDorkula]

17 minutes ago, joesixpack said:

 

Man you're all kinds of twisted up. You were for trading picks to get a QB, but against trading guys to get the picks to trade up for a QB?

 

 

The Eagles nor Rams had to dismantle their entire roster to trade up and get their QB. Why did the Bills have to?

 

Is it because these two think they can win with their guys and their culture and don't need the talent?

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, CountDorkula said:

The Eagles nor Rams had to dismantle their entire roster to trade up and get their QB. Why did the Bills have to?

 

Is it because these two think they can win with their guys and their culture and don't need the talent?

 

How many spots did the eagles have to move up?

 

And the Rams? Come on man, you KNOW they were in the catbird seat for that draft, they were HORRIBLE the year prior. Try harder.

 

[Rocbillsfan1]

48 minutes ago, CountDorkula said:

Beane created this cap mess.

 

Taylor could have been kept,

Glenn could have been kept

Dareus could have been kept

Darby could have been kept

Watkins could have been kept

 

That is a lot of talent that the current GM chose not to keep and create this cap mess. Beane is doing something. Neithre you nor I know if it is the right thing to do or not. 

And what’s the point of having any of these players if they aren’t part of the core moving forward? 

 

Tyrod please we we don’t need him he’s a bum.

 

glenn was expendable because of Dawkins and we needed that trade in order to get our qb. 

 

Dareus contract was a disaster and am now glad we are out of it even with the dead cap space this year.

 

darby doesn’t matter since we had Gaines which is the only thing I don’t get. I would have kept Gaines.

 

watkins was a diva that wanted a boatload of money and there was no guarantee he was even going to stay here. How would giving a wr a ton of money going to help you with your cap problems moving forward on a rebuilding team which you know he wouldn’t want a part of. 

 

For better or worse this this team has to take its lumps this year and acquire young talent that fits around the core of the team in Allen edmunds Dawkins white Milano. 

[CountDorkula]

18 minutes ago, sleeby said:

Trade down!  So many needs.  Also, rest shady and then trade him to a team with need of his skills.  If it's not to be a part of 2021 then it's clutter.

So after 2019, from this you dont plan on being good in 2020 either?

2021 is the time to strike, 4 years from now, when Josh Allens rookie contract is up?

 

 

4 minutes ago, Rocbillsfan1 said:

And what’s the point of having any of these players if they aren’t part of the core moving forward? 

 

Tyrod please we we don’t need him he’s a bum.

 

glenn was expendable because of Dawkins and we needed that trade in order to get our qb. 

 

Dareus contract was a disaster and am now glad we are out of it even with the dead cap space this year.

 

darby doesn’t matter since we had Gaines which is the only thing I don’t get. I would have kept Gaines.

 

watkins was a diva that wanted a boatload of money and there was no guarantee he was even going to stay here. How would giving a wr a ton of money going to help you with your cap problems moving forward on a rebuilding team which you know he wouldn’t want a part of. 

 

For better or worse this this team has to take its lumps this year and acquire young talent that fits around the core of the team in Allen edmunds Dawkins white Milano. 

Yea, because I really want Josh Allen learning from Nate freaking Peterman.

Glenn or Dawkins could have been shifted to guard for this upcoming season.

Dareus is playing for the top defense in the NFL. But hey we have lovable meatballs Kyle Williams (Gone after this year) and Harrison Phillips. Also a non-existent Star Loutoulelei.

Considering the Bills now have to go dumpster diving for CBs this week since they only have tre White left, I'd say he matters quite a bit.

All the good WR's are divas. Brown, Beckham, Jones, etc etc. WR are divas. It comes with the position.

 

[Big Gun]

4 minutes ago, joesixpack said:

 

How many spots did the eagles have to move up?

 

And the Rams? Come on man, you KNOW they were in the catbird seat for that draft, they were HORRIBLE the year prior. Try harder.

 

The Eagles were

 

2013 - 10-6

2014 - 10-6

2015 - 7-9

 

Rams were 

 

2013 - 7-9

2014 - 6-10

2015 - 7-9

 

Before Goff and Wentz were drafted.

 

IMO there was no need for McBean to gut everyone in the name of process. That plan screams incompetence to me that people, McBeane, don't really know what they are doing outside of their plan to get a QB(which I did agree with on how they went about that). It's easy to rid a team of it's talent it's much much harder to replace it as so many things factor into the rebuild. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, pop gun said:

The Eagles were

 

2013 - 10-6

2014 - 10-6

2015 - 7-9

 

Rams were 

 

2013 - 7-9

2014 - 6-10

2015 - 7-9

 

Before Goff and Wentz were drafted.

 

IMO there was no need for McBean to gut everyone in the name of process. That plan screams incompetence to me that people, McBeane, don't really know what they are doing outside of their plan to get a QB(which I did agree with on how they went about that). It's easy to rid a team of it's talent it's much much harder to replace it as so many things factor into the rebuild. 

 

OK, so which team was Beane going to abuse like Philadelphia did Cleveland? NO ONE in the top 3 was trading out from those positions for what Philadelphia paid.

 

It's called Reality.

 

[sleeby]

12 minutes ago, CountDorkula said:

32 minutes ago, sleeby said:

Trade down!  So many needs.  Also, rest shady and then trade him to a team with need of his skills.  If it's not to be a part of 2021 then it's clutter.

So after 2019, from this you dont plan on being good in 2020 either?

2021 is the time to strike, 4 years from now, when Josh Allens rookie contract is up?

 

2020 would be fantastic but likely unrealistic; how is that bills fans lack patience?  Odd. 

2019 will be a huge influx of young blood and 2020 could be a good target for our first playoff win in decades.  2021-2026 seem like the years we are hopeful for to me.  Kelly started as a bill in 1986 and 4-12.  I remember the build up years of 88 and 89 very fondly and then, of course, the 90-93 SB years.

[Big Gun]

14 minutes ago, joesixpack said:

 

OK, so which team was Beane going to abuse like Philadelphia did Cleveland? NO ONE in the top 3 was trading out from those positions for what Philadelphia paid.

 

It's called Reality.

 

They didn't need to trade to 1. Allen was taken at 7

 

or they could have had Mahomes by just standing pat in 2017.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, pop gun said:

They didn't need to trade to 1. Allen was taken at 7

 

or they could have had Mahomes by just standing pat in 2017.

 

And let me guess, you think Mahomes would look like he is now here. Right?

 

[John from Riverside]

2 hours ago, nedboy7 said:

 

sorry.  can't buy that BS. 

Its not BS....its fact

[K-9]

People are laughing at my favorite team! Oh, the shame! The impact on my daily life has been catastrophic and I don’t think I can face it. Damn you, Bills!  Damn you to hell, I say!

[Big Gun]

Just now, joesixpack said:

 

And let me guess, you think Mahomes would look like he is now here. Right?

 

IDK, no one ever knows if they are a bust or not but they could have drafted him without trading anything. 

 

Look, I just don't think there was a need for a complete tear down. Sure there was needs, holes, cap problems, etc but I think McBean took it too far.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, pop gun said:

 

Look, I just don't think there was a need for a complete tear down. Sure there was needs, holes, cap problems, etc but I think McBean took it too far.

 

So because you didn't think it was necessary means they don't know what they're doing? Help me understand.

 

[Bing Bong]

haha I like this OP. They got swindled. Beane is like some charlatan taking rich people's money and telling them "I have a process, no you don't see it on the field, but it's coming." And he'll just keep doing that until the Pegulas wise up.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 minute ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said:

haha I like this OP. They got swindled. Beane is like some charlatan taking rich people's money and telling them "I have a process, no you don't see it on the field, but it's coming." And he'll just keep doing that until the Pegulas wise up.

 

Let me guess...more humor?

 

[Rocbillsfan1]

1 minute ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said:

haha I like this OP. They got swindled. Beane is like some charlatan taking rich people's money and telling them "I have a process, no you don't see it on the field, but it's coming." And he'll just keep doing that until the Pegulas wise up.

Most overly emotional post of the day congrats. 

[Jpsredemption]

2 hours ago, nedboy7 said:

 

sorry.  can't buy that BS. 

That's exactly what it is...bs. Fans spinning everything this overmatched staff does.

 

There is no tear down pre requisite in the NFL. See the Kansas City Chiefs as just one example.

[Heavy Kevi]

2 hours ago, zow2 said:

There's just no way that I can come up with a scenario that Terry and Kim signed off on a total "tear it down" and rebuild plan.  Certainly not to be the laughinstocks of the NFL.  
He has gone through years of pain dealing with that on the NHL side.  Now I get that McBeane sold to them in the offseason,, that Buffalo has to get through a season with a ton of dead cap money, and will have to work in a rookie QB.  But I also believe they were told they have a gamer in Peterman, a vet in McCarron to stabilize the ship, a solid Defense coming off a playoff season...
and some free agents to add to the mix.  I have no doubt the Pegulas were told they might take a step back, but no way they would become a league joke and risk alienating his football fanbase
like what happened to his NHL fansbase.   In the NFL, you don't have to SUCK to build a winner.  What you do is you stay relevant and reload at the positions of need as attrition happens. 

 
If I were the Pegulas, I'd be walking around pissed off today.  Yes=- Allen looks decent but the amount of holes they have to fill are staggering.  Some of the players McBeane thought
would be decent are not playing well or have been flat out released. I don't get some of their roster moves. For example, why would a team desperate for a good, solid posssession receiver would get rid of O'Leary and keep Logan Thomas?  That dude can't play the position or be trusted to catch a pass.

 

Overall, the McBeane era has taken a huge hit this year for me.  I had a ton of faith in them, but it's wavering.  

 

Why not they signed off on it for the Sabres?

[Bing Bong]

12 minutes ago, Rocbillsfan1 said:

Most overly emotional post of the day congrats. 

me? it's a joke. No GM would do that lol.

[HappyDays]

1 hour ago, SoTier said:

McDermott/Beane kept a QB that they didn't want just so they could trade him for a third round pick before the draft and take a $7.6 million cap hit. 

 

You would give away the 65th overall pick in the draft to save $7.6 million in cap space in a rebuilding year? And you think Beane is the incompetent one??

[Bing Bong]

14 minutes ago, joesixpack said:

 

Let me guess...more humor?

 

actually yeah. Stop getting mad and replying man, just ignore the post.

 

We'll get along when the wins start coming, we did last year (remember?). I'm extending the olive branch. until then wtf is there to talk about regarding the season to date.. I'm just going to goof around on the forum because I like the forum, I like the people, I like talking about Marcus Murphy. He's been a fun player to watch. We can't spend the entire season not talking about it and discussing how good we might be next year. We're going to talk about the season.

[BurpleBull]

3 hours ago, Rad Likes The Bills said:

LAMP

 

How???

 

 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, PetermanThrew5Picks said:

actually yeah. Stop getting mad and replying man, just ignore the post.

 

We'll get along when the wins start coming, we did last year (remember?). I'm extending the olive branch. until then wtf is there to talk about regarding the season to date.. I'm just going to goof around on the forum because I like the forum, I like the people, I like talking about Marcus Murphy. He's been a fun player to watch. We can't spend the entire season not talking about it and discussing how good we might be next year. We're going to talk about the season.

 

I get that man.

 

But when it comes to humor, don't quit your day job

 

[Bing Bong]

3 minutes ago, joesixpack said:

 

I get that man.

 

But when it comes to humor, don't quit your day job

 

Hey man I'm going to submit it as a skit to SNL!

[Perry Turtle]

4 minutes ago, joesixpack said:

 

And let me guess, you think Mahomes would look like he is now here. Right?

 

Playing for a coach like McDermott, no.  And Allen would look a hell of a lot better playing under Reid.

 

The point is that the Bills needed a franchise QB and Mahomes or Watson checked that box.  Both of these guys fell to the Bills in the '17 draft. McDermott, for some reason, decided to delay selecting a QB, and it cost the team several more assets to draft Allen, which could have been used to speed the rebuild.

 

 

 

 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, Perry Turtle said:

Mahomes or Watson checked that box. 

 

Since you're reading the chicken bones, how about shooting the powerball numbers my way? Kthx.

 

[Matt_In_NH]

I can see a scenario where they agreed to a total "tear it down" and rebuild plan.  Why would that not be feasible if it is in the best interest of winning a championship?

1 minute ago, joesixpack said:

 

Since you're reading the chicken bones, how about shooting the powerball numbers my way? Kthx.

 

 

The poster may or may not have thought Mahomes or Watson would have worked out.  What would have been nice is for personnel department to have recognized that.

[baskingridgebillsfan]

There is noway the signed off on the training being this bad.  If they the plan was to not be competitive then why spend money on three defensive players in free agency.  The issue is beane made a mess out of free agency.  The roster is horrible.  What give you faith he will spend million better than he spent 25 million ?

[Boca BIlls]

Wtf are you talking about this has been in effect last year also just b.c they got lucky and snuck into the playoffs doesn't mean the team wasn't in trouble.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

3 hours ago, hondo in seattle said:

Everyone looking at our personnel  moves and/or our cap situation knew this was a rebuilding year.  I can't imagine Terry and Kim saw anything different. 

 

I think the OP's point is that rebuilding, and maybe a step or two back, is one thing.  Becoming the laughingstocks of the NFL, a league joke, and re-alienating the fan base is something else.

 

I personally agree that the Pegulas likely signed off on and were expecting the former, but not the latter.

 

2 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

Right. I can root for the 2nd half team even if we lose a lot of games. That team gives me hope for the future. The team that showed up against the Ravens and the 1st half yesterday was bad enough to make you question the whole staff. McDermott needs to retain play calling responsibilities moving forward. If he does that and Allen shows progress we can all enjoy this year for what it is.

 

Exactly.  The 2nd half team yesterday is what I was expecting (and believe the Pegulas were expecting)  - hard play, some talent gaps, and some rookie bonehead mistakes that keep us from winning, but also some bright spots and a watchable game.

[Dr. Who]

Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I think the OP's point is that rebuilding, and maybe a step or two back, is one thing.  Becoming the laughingstocks of the NFL, a league joke, and re-alienating the fan base is something else.

 

I personally agree that the Pegulas likely signed off on and were expecting the former, but not the latter.

 

 

Exactly.  The 2nd half team yesterday is what I was expecting (and believe the Pegulas were expecting)  - hard play, some talent gaps, and some rookie bonehead mistakes that keep us from winning, but also some bright spots and a watchable game.

Honestly, I have to think this is correct. I am surmising that McD took over the defensive playcalling at halftime for lots of good reasons, but one of them is self-preservation. Being fortunate to back into the playoffs is not going to save you if the first six quarters are largely representative of the rest of the season.

[Perry Turtle]

19 minutes ago, joesixpack said:

 

Since you're reading the chicken bones, how about shooting the powerball numbers my way? Kthx.

 

Right, 'cause it was so hard to project these two guys as potential franchise QBs.  

 

It's the equivalent to the guessing lottery numbers to project a guy who tore up Alabama in consecutive championship games to be a legit NFL QB. ?

Edited September 17, 2018 by Perry Turtle

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, Perry Turtle said:

It's the equivalent to the guessing lottery numbers to project a guy who tore up Alabama in consecutive championship to be a legit NFL QB. ?

 

Don't be obtuse. COMBINED they have less than a full seasons' worth of starts.

 

How about waiting 3-4 seasons, eh?

 

Or nah. You know it already. ALL STAR

 

[oldmanfan]

The legitimate question for Terry would be why the team seemed unprepared the first half of each game.  I'd ask that if I were him.

[zow2]

8 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I think the OP's point is that rebuilding, and maybe a step or two back, is one thing.  Becoming the laughingstocks of the NFL, a league joke, and re-alienating the fan base is something else.

 

I personally agree that the Pegulas likely signed off on and were expecting the former, but not the latter.

 

 

Exactly.  The 2nd half team yesterday is what I was expecting (and believe the Pegulas were expecting)  - hard play, some talent gaps, and some rookie bonehead mistakes that keep us from winning, but also some bright spots and a watchable game.

 

Yes, exactly.  Thank you.  Nice to see a few people on the board can read through the thread and understand my point.  

[BuffaloRush]

3 hours ago, zow2 said:

There's just no way that I can come up with a scenario that Terry and Kim signed off on a total "tear it down" and rebuild plan.  Certainly not to be the laughinstocks of the NFL.  
He has gone through years of pain dealing with that on the NHL side.  Now I get that McBeane sold to them in the offseason,, that Buffalo has to get through a season with a ton of dead cap money, and will have to work in a rookie QB.  But I also believe they were told they have a gamer in Peterman, a vet in McCarron to stabilize the ship, a solid Defense coming off a playoff season...
and some free agents to add to the mix.  I have no doubt the Pegulas were told they might take a step back, but no way they would become a league joke and risk alienating his football fanbase
like what happened to his NHL fansbase.   In the NFL, you don't have to SUCK to build a winner.  What you do is you stay relevant and reload at the positions of need as attrition happens. 

 
If I were the Pegulas, I'd be walking around pissed off today.  Yes=- Allen looks decent but the amount of holes they have to fill are staggering.  Some of the players McBeane thought
would be decent are not playing well or have been flat out released. I don't get some of their roster moves. For example, why would a team desperate for a good, solid posssession receiver would get rid of O'Leary and keep Logan Thomas?  That dude can't play the position or be trusted to catch a pass.

 

Overall, the McBeane era has taken a huge hit this year for me.  I had a ton of faith in them, but it's wavering.  

 

Hate to say this but from all indications The Pegulas are in love with Coach McDermott and Brandon Beane.  They are going nowhere.  Mark it downs.

[Nineforty]

3 hours ago, nucci said:

there are only a handful of teams that suck every year....why , excluding last year, are we always one of them?

[Perry Turtle]

Just now, joesixpack said:

 

Don't be obtuse. COMBINED they have less than a full seasons' worth of starts.

 

How about waiting 3-4 seasons, eh?

 

Or nah. You know it already. ALL STAR

 

REALLY?!?!?! So the guy Beane spent a bunch of draft picks on a QB who isn't guaranteed to be an All Pro?

 

Of course the draft is speculative, the point is the Bills passed on prospects who fell to them who had a much better resume than the guy they ended up spending more heavily on.

 

The front office has given the reasons of value for why they have dumped guys like Watkins and Dareus.  That's part of the process, and that's cool.

 

But that concept of value should be consistent, and GMs who let the draft fall to them instead of chasing picks falls more in line under that concept of the Process.

 

 

 

 

[Reed83HOF]

2 hours ago, joesixpack said:

Disagree. I think they trade down.

 

McD loves defense and yes I agree they should think about that from an overall infusion of picks and talent standpoint, but man those 2 are hard to pass up....