Jon Gruden says He'll "Look at the Reasons Why" the Raiders Had No Pass Rush ?

[JPP]

41 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

 

Macks job is literately to stop Aaron Rodgers. 

Mack is a beast and proved that in his 1st game in a Bears uni in under 48 hrs to prepare??  Yeah stopping Aaron flippin Rogers is as difficult as you get for any defensive player especially when he came back out on the field in this game.....superman himself probably couldnt stop him.....

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

4 minutes ago, JPP said:

Mack is a beast and proved that in his 1st game in a Bears uni in under 48 hrs to prepare??  Yeah stopping Aaron flippin Rogers is as difficult as you get for any defensive player especially when he came back out on the field in this game.....superman himself probably couldnt stop him.....

 

Jim Schwartz is Superman?

[Soda Popinski]

4 minutes ago, JPP said:

Mack is a beast and proved that in his 1st game in a Bears uni in under 48 hrs to prepare??  Yeah stopping Aaron flippin Rogers is as difficult as you get for any defensive player especially when he came back out on the field in this game.....superman himself probably couldnt stop him.....

He was unreal with barely any knowledge of the Bears defensive scheme.  They pretty much cut him loose and said "do your thing" .   

[JPP]

Just now, Soda Popinski said:

He was unreal with barely any knowledge of the Bears defensive scheme.  They pretty much cut him loose and said "do your thing" .   

Exactly!  The guy is that good that he can easily do this.....its a shame the bears let this game go off the rails after an excellent 1st half......

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

27 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

He couldn't.  Rodgers sharted on the Bears D.

 

Sure, just pointing out that of course the pass rush has culpability in being owned by the opposing QB. 

3 minutes ago, Soda Popinski said:

He was unreal with barely any knowledge of the Bears defensive scheme.  They pretty much cut him loose and said "do your thing" .   

 

I think once you add this kind of guy, you change your scheme to- “ hey Khalil go disrupt stuff” 

[Soda Popinski]

2 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

 

Sure, just pointing out that of course the pass rush has culpability in being owned by the opposing QB. 

 

I think once you add this kind of guy, you change your scheme to- “ hey Khalil go disrupt stuff” 

if you're Chicago you already won that trade with Oakland.   

[WhoTom]

It was the skunk in the tunnel.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/up-to-the-minute/0ap3000000961087/Gruden-says-skunk-invaded-Raiders-tunnel-before-MNF

 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

1 minute ago, WhoTom said:

It was the skunk in the tunnel.

Look at the Raider colour scheme...someone drops a New Era Raider cap, Chuckie sees the black and silver, mistakes it for a skunk.  Just another Davis / Gruden f*** up.  ?

[apuszczalowski]

50 minutes ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

Look at the Raider colour scheme...someone drops a New Era Raider cap, Chuckie sees the black and silver, mistakes it for a skunk.  Just another Davis / Gruden f*** up.  ?

Throw in the smell from all the times that stadium has had sewage backups in it and it's easy to see the confussion.....

[Skins Malone]

15 hours ago, Augie said:

Gruden will walk away as a VERY wealthy failure, eventually. Then go back to TV if he continues to need attention. Raiders blew it big time. Horrible hire. 

Hes already very wealthy.  And remember he said he wont take the raiders money if hes not successful 

[GoBills808]

2 hours ago, Soda Popinski said:

He was unreal with barely any knowledge of the Bears defensive scheme.  They pretty much cut him loose and said "do your thing" .   

That and they kept his minutes limited. I don't think he's in game shape yet. Still looked like a huge problems for offenses, gonna go right back to dominating once he gets fit.

[Augie]

1 minute ago, Skins Malone said:

Hes already very wealthy.  And remember he said he wont take the raiders money if hes not successful 

 

How likely is it that he’ll give money back? I’d give that a 0.0% chance. Might he “walk away mutually” if it’s horrible? Sure. Gruden has an enormous ego, and that something’s gets in the way of player relationships if his Tampa days are any indication. 

[Skins Malone]

1 minute ago, Augie said:

 

How likely is it that he’ll give money back? I’d give that a 0.0% chance. Might he “walk away mutually” if it’s horrible? Sure. Gruden has an enormous ego, and that something’s gets in the way of player relationships if his Tampa days are any indication. 

Never been a fan of Gruden anyway.  I remember when Bills fans were screaming for him to come here.  Dont get me wrong i like him as a person...you can tell he loves the game...but eventually its time to hang it up for good.  Idk why i guy like him would want to even do it.  He had a cushy job making tons of money with no pressure and no stress.  

[nedboy7]

Wait are bills fans actually making fun of another team. Ha! 

[Doc]

6 hours ago, Jasovon said:

because Trubisky panicked and played terribly in the second half when they needed a touchdown. 

 

The loss can be boiled-down to on person and play: Kyle Fuller's drop of a gift INT from Rodgers.

[Augie]

10 minutes ago, Skins Malone said:

Never been a fan of Gruden anyway.  I remember when Bills fans were screaming for him to come here.  Dont get me wrong i like him as a person...you can tell he loves the game...but eventually its time to hang it up for good.  Idk why i guy like him would want to even do it.  He had a cushy job making tons of money with no pressure and no stress.  

 

Despite my personal negative feelings, I thought he was well suited for TV, much more than coaching 

[Jasovon]

Just now, Doc said:

 

The loss can be boiled-down to on person and play: Kyle Fuller's drop of a gift INT from Rodgers.

That's true, but that offense still had multiple opportunities to salt the game away and couldn't deliver.

[Doc]

1 minute ago, Jasovon said:

That's true, but that offense still had multiple opportunities to salt the game away and couldn't deliver.

 

True, there were lots of opps for the Bears to eke-out the win.  But Fuller INT'ing a pass that looked like it was intentionally thrown to him would have ended the game definitively.

[MJS]

14 hours ago, Paulus said:

Darbs is nowhere near the player mack is, but the guy has looked good. Dareus, too.

 

I mean, the Bills had no "Mack" to purge, but did purge some of our best. 

 

Dareus hadn't looked good in YEARS.

[Doc]

Dareus could have been as good as Mack if he kept playing like he did in 2014.  He didn't come close, after getting the huge contract.  That's why he hasn't even made a Pro Bowl and they shipped him out when they had a chance.

[Paulus]

9 hours ago, thenorthremembers said:

They purged a defensive tackle who was making 13 million dollars a year to not produce on the field and be a complete numb nuts off of it.  He hasn't made the pro bowl since he signed his huge contract, and has less sacks in the last three years combined than he did in his one monster year alone.

 

They purged a wideout who has averaged 2 catches for 32 yards a game since he left despite everyone in the world lining up to tell me how elite his talent level is.  The chiefs can go ahead and pay 14 million a year for that elite talent.

 

They purged a cornerback who has twice now been involved in covering up for a guy who can't seem to keep his unwanted hands off women.  I'll take the pick.

 

People want to look backwards like the Bills were loaded with talent.  Where did it get them? The answer is no where.  The Bills needed a QB and they did everything they could to get in line to bring one in.

 

Cannot believe we are still bemoaning the loss of defensive tackles, right cornerbacks and wideouts who don't produce.   You don't win super bowls with defensive tackles.  

 

 

 

Taking the pick was stupid, and should not be excused. 

 

Dareus all of a sudden produced under Marrone...

 

I did not mention Sammy, although you felt the need to. That says a lot. 

 

Lastly, I was not arguing it the move was correct or not. I was merely saying that McBeane also purged some of our best (Darbs and Dareus). Is that what you're arguing against? 

1 hour ago, MJS said:

 

Dareus hadn't looked good in YEARS.

Except for when he played for Marrone... Which he does now. There is an arguement that coaching hadn't looked good in years either, and I firmly beleive he was one of our best players. Let his contract evidence that. Silly.

[thenorthremembers]

5 minutes ago, Paulus said:

Taking the pick was stupid, and should not be excused. 

 

Dareus all of a sudden produced under Marrone...

 

I did not mention Sammy, although you felt the need to. That says a lot. 

 

Lastly, I was not arguing it the move was correct or not. I was merely saying that McBeane also purged some of our best (Darbs and Dareus). Is that what you're arguing against? 

Except for when he played for Marrone... Which he does now. There is an arguement that coaching hadn't looked good in years either, and I firmly beleive he was one of our best players. Let his contract evidence that. Silly.

 

You made a blanket statement about them purging talent, it isnt a stretch to say that narrative would include Sammy.  Although any who uses "the purging talent" narrative is basing their opinion on conjecture and not reality.

 

I'll agree with you Dareus has all the talent in the world.  But, what I dont agree with is your assertion he has all the sudden played well because he is back with Marrone.  He has 21 tackles and 1, count them 1 sack in the last ten games with Marrone.   For your reference, Adolphus Washington had 22 tackles and a sack in the same time span.  And he is currently looking for a job.    But please go on about how silly I am.     When Dareus is a full time starter is Jacksonville please let me know.  But for now, I think getting a draft pick for a guy with the production of Adolphus Washington and the contract of Geno Atkins was actually a pretty solid move.  Especially considering said guy is a complete mess of a human being. 

 

 

[C.Biscuit97]

Gruden is one of the most overrated coaches of the last 30 years.  He is awful at evaluating qbs and has napoleon syndrome.  

[Doc]

Dareus didn't look good because he was playing under Marrone, an offensive-minded HC.  He looked good because he was in a contract year.  And as thenorth has said, he's playing no better than he did in Buffalo and basically just a run-stopper at this point.

[Big Turk]

On 9/11/2018 at 9:36 PM, PlayoffsPlease said:

Bears lost too.

not because of Mack

[C.Biscuit97]

7 hours ago, Doc said:

Dareus didn't look good because he was playing under Marrone, an offensive-minded HC.  He looked good because he was in a contract year.  And as thenorth has said, he's playing no better than he did in Buffalo and basically just a run-stopper at this point.

Dareus had 5 tackles in the opener.  That’s an 80 tackle pace for a DT which is pretty good.  The Jags basically shut down Barkley except for one 70 yard run.  You’re kidding yourself if you don’t think Dareus is helping the Jags.

[Doc]

4 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Dareus had 5 tackles in the opener.  That’s an 80 tackle pace for a DT which is pretty good.  The Jags basically shut down Barkley except for one 70 yard run.  You’re kidding yourself if you don’t think Dareus is helping the Jags.

 

Never said he wasn't helping them.  He's just not on Mack's level because he stopped trying to be great a long time ago.

[C.Biscuit97]

5 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Never said he wasn't helping them.  He's just not on Mack's level because he stopped trying to be great a long time ago.

My bad. I misread.  

[PlayoffsPlease]

18 hours ago, matter2003 said:

not because of Mack

You  dont really get the point. Mack is great.  Having a great 20 million plus player means having holes elsewhere. 

[Big Turk]

57 minutes ago, PlayoffsPlease said:

You  dont really get the point. Mack is great.  Having a great 20 million plus player means having holes elsewhere. 

No it doesn't. Not when you have a QB on a rookie contract. It subs the money most teams are payong QBs and gives it to him. They are at worst on an even playing field with the other teams

[Buffalo716]

On 9/12/2018 at 2:12 PM, Doc said:

Dareus could have been as good as Mack if he kept playing like he did in 2014.  He didn't come close, after getting the huge contract.  That's why he hasn't even made a Pro Bowl and they shipped him out when they had a chance.

Dareus was a 2x pro bowler for us and 1x all pro 

[Doc]

Just now, Buffalo716 said:

Dareus was a 2x pro bowler for us and 1x all pro 

 

Was is the key word.  It stopped after the huge contract. 

[26CornerBlitz]

Is he kidding or what?  

 

 

[Doc]

And call on the phone, apparently.

[PlayoffsPlease]

On 9/13/2018 at 6:05 PM, matter2003 said:

No it doesn't. Not when you have a QB on a rookie contract. It subs the money most teams are payong QBs and gives it to him. They are at worst on an even playing field with the other teams

Yes, and Oakland does not have a QB under a rookie contract the next several years.  That is why the determined Mack does not make sense to them. 

[mannc]

On 9/12/2018 at 10:25 AM, Skins Malone said:

Never been a fan of Gruden anyway.  I remember when Bills fans were screaming for him to come here.  Dont get me wrong i like him as a person...you can tell he loves the game...but eventually its time to hang it up for good.  Idk why i guy like him would want to even do it.  He had a cushy job making tons of money with no pressure and no stress.  

I think Gruden will just mail it in and steal Mark Davis’s money, kinda like Rex did with the Bills.

[klos63]

On 9/12/2018 at 7:56 AM, JPP said:

Exactly!  The guy is that good that he can easily do this.....its a shame the bears let this game go off the rails after an excellent 1st half......

 

On 9/12/2018 at 7:49 AM, JPP said:

Mack is a beast and proved that in his 1st game in a Bears uni in under 48 hrs to prepare??  Yeah stopping Aaron flippin Rogers is as difficult as you get for any defensive player especially when he came back out on the field in this game.....superman himself probably couldnt stop him.....

Mack is the only player that has ever reminded me of LT in the way he just dominates. It's fun to watch him play.

[Augie]

Gruden will “look at the reasons” why they had no pass rush, but not until after he’s looked at the mirror to see his favorite thing. 

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[Augie]

7 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

 

I would want the guy on the right almost as much as I would NOT want the guy on the left.