GreggTX Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 (edited) I know we don't have much talent on this roster, but most of these guys have at least played in the NFL before. The coaches simply MUST do a better job of getting this team prepared. It's only 1 game, but McDermott and Beane will need to get things turned around and at least show a little competitiveness or their tenure at OBD could be short lived. Every realistic person understood that the team was going to take a step backwards this year as part of a full rebuild throughout the organization, but they simply can't perform this poorly all year or the Pegula's will lose all confidence in them. I don't expect them to play this bad every week, though. Still, even my prediction of 4-5 wins is looking pretty shakey right now. Edited September 10, 2018 by GreggTX 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 I disagree. We probably have the least talented team in the league. Coaching was a big reason we overachieved last year. The players simply didn't execute. We got dominated on both lines, and our QBs were awful. 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 Every realistic person knew we wouldn't be good because Beane made damned sure of it 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreggTX Posted September 10, 2018 Author Share Posted September 10, 2018 (edited) 11 minutes ago, jrober38 said: I disagree. We probably have the least talented team in the league. Coaching was a big reason we overachieved last year. The players simply didn't execute. We got dominated on both lines, and our QBs were awful. Yeah. I won't argue that point and specifically in L Frazier's case. He's a great DC. I have to say that I feel for Daboll with so little talent to work with. Still, they have to lift things up. Even if we don't win more than a couple games, 47-3 all year means heads will roll. At least stay within a score or 2, right? I can just imagine that postgame interview with Dareus if we play like that against the Jags. He'll be laughing at us for sure. Edited September 10, 2018 by GreggTX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seventeen Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 7 minutes ago, jrober38 said: I disagree. We probably have the least talented team in the league. Coaching was a big reason we overachieved last year. The players simply didn't execute. We got dominated on both lines, and our QBs were awful. One QB was awful - the other got no help from the receivers. But I do have to see the tape to confirm ... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helpmenow Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 Far from a great DC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 Every coach and player should be totally embarrassed and humiliated. There was NOBODY to like today. Christ what a pathetic effort. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Looper said: One QB was awful - the other got no help from the receivers. But I do have to see the tape to confirm ... One QB showed he might not belong in the league. The other was much better in comparison, but still very bad relative to other NFL QBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuncha Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Green Lightning said: Every coach and player should be totally embarrassed and humiliated. There was NOBODY to like today. Christ what a pathetic effort. You forgot the GM and owner....they put this disaster on the field. Sure the coaches could have done a better job, but there is only so much you can do with the talent you have. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasovon Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 While the talent level is clearly not there, the lack of discipline is pure coaching. I agree not a good showing. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Azucho98 said: You forgot the GM and owner....they put this disaster on the field. Sure the coaches could have done a better job, but there is only so much you can do with the talent you have. Valid point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreggTX Posted September 10, 2018 Author Share Posted September 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Azucho98 said: You forgot the GM and owner....they put this disaster on the field. Sure the coaches could have done a better job, but there is only so much you can do with the talent you have. Yeah, I think Beane is vulnerable, but again, as long as they show at least a little competitiveness. I don't think Kim Pegula's job is in danger, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 I predicted between 4-12 and 6-10. I might have been too optimistic in that prediction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeginnersMind Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 50 million in dead cap space. 2 pro bowl OL leave in surprises. The #7 pick has to sit and develop (which I'm OK with). This was ALWAYS going to be a tough year. This is Buffalo. Weather all the snowflakes people. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 It's on the GM and the defensive coordinator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptide Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 I actually thought daboll called a terrible game. Not much creativity on offense. I think we had one play action pass. Was there even a throw to a slot reciever today? Or a dump off to a running back? Badly called game 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 When you lose by over 40 points the blame is on everyone . 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayoffsPlease Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, Steptide said: I actually thought daboll called a terrible game. Not much creativity on offense. I think we had one play action pass. Was there even a throw to a slot reciever today? Or a dump off to a running back? Badly called game Peterman is possibly the worst play action QB in NFL history. Did you watch any of the pre-season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptide Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 12 minutes ago, PlayoffsPlease said: Peterman is possibly the worst play action QB in NFL history. Did you watch any of the pre-season. Maybe, but the play calls still didn't seem to play to his strengths. I dunno, just wasn't very creative Imo. Even for Allen, I thought the play calling was a bit weak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st&ten Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 One of the things that ticked me off the most today was the LB Lacey jumping off sides on a punt giving them a 1st down. What the heck was he really going to rush in & block the punt---all he has to do is get in the way of his man for a few seconds. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Player Available Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 For the Bills it felt like a pre season game. No cohesion anywhere on both sides of the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimp on da' net Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 37 minutes ago, Jasovon said: While the talent level is clearly not there, the lack of discipline is pure coaching. I agree not a good showing. I agree with you. What was even more evident, on offense the starters could not move the ball against the Ravens backups. And the defense were still struggling with their 2nd team offense, how bad is that? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasovon Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 Just now, pimp on da' net said: I agree with you. What was even more evident, on offense the starters could not move the ball against the Ravens backups. And the defense were still struggling with their 2nd team offense, how bad is that? I hope we're intentionally tanking, because otherwise this franchise could be in real trouble. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 1 hour ago, GreggTX said: I know we don't have much talent on this roster, but most of these guys have at least played in the NFL before. The coaches simply MUST do a better job of getting this team prepared. It's only 1 game, but McDermott and Beane will need to get things turned around and at least show a little competitiveness or their tenure at OBD could be short lived. Every realistic person understood that the team was going to take a step backwards this year as part of a full rebuild throughout the organization, but they simply can't perform this poorly all year or the Pegula's will lose all confidence in them. I don't expect them to play this bad every week, though. Still, even my prediction of 4-5 wins is looking pretty shakey right now. Based on what? the talent is garbage 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 52 minutes ago, Jasovon said: While the talent level is clearly not there, the lack of discipline is pure coaching. I agree not a good showing. Holding penalties and jumping off-sides on both sides of the ball are often the result of players being overmatched and trying not to get beat. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasovon Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 Just now, SoTier said: Holding penalties and jumping off-sides on both sides of the ball are often the result of players being overmatched and trying not to get beat. Sure, but those weren't the only penalties we got called for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dude Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 McDumbass is solidly earning the title “Jauron Jr.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 This year we're spending $60 million less on current players salaries than the league allows. We've got 53 mil in dead money and another 7 mil unspent. Only one team in the league has even half as much dead money as we have - Dallas with 28 mil. To put this in perspective another way, we just lost to a team that has $30 million dollars more talent (2018 spending) than we have. Later this season, we'll ask McD to beat the Belichick & the Pats even though they're spending $40 million dollars on their roster than we are. No team in the league is spending as little on current player salaries as we are. There's only so much the coaching staff can do when other teams are fielding better players. https://overthecap.com/salary-cap-space/ 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Player Available Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 Just now, The_Dude said: McDumbass is solidly earning the title “Jauron Jr.” I honestly don't remember Jauron getting toasted like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven50 Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 The lack of discipline was appalling. Having Petermen come out slinging the ball in the driving rain was a head scratching decision. The best player on our team touched the ball only 7 times all game. You don't have running back by committee when you have LeSean McCoy on your team! The Players didn't seem focused at all and some of that I attribute to the constant switching around of personnel. They need time to work together, pick a line up and stick with it for more then 2 days. Deciding who is going to start on game day and splitting reps all week leads to confusion and half trained starters. The front office cooked up this disaster by getting people like Chris Ivory and ignoring the wide receiver corps except for picking up someone they could get with a pack of bubble gum. Does anyone have the number of drops today? I haven't seen that many drops in little league games. Like many fans I think this game spent just a ton of the good will I had for this administration. I trusted the process and believed the coaches and front office knew things I didn't but holy cow that was epic. 2nd biggest loss in franchise history and it could have gotten worse if Baltimore would have kept the starters in. I honestly didn't expect them to win but I also didn't expect them to look like Buff State playing the defending Super Bowl Champions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st Ammendment NoMas Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 It's on the coaches 100%. they tinkered around with the lineup in every position for far too long in the pre-season. The starters need time to gel and work together. I'm going to give a pass this week and expect 3-4 roster moves with established vets coming in on the OL and WR. I expect to see a different team with Allen behind center for our home opener. After next week, no more excuses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dude Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Best Player Available said: I honestly don't remember Jauron getting toasted like this. Well, I’ll have to go back and look at the tape. Edited September 10, 2018 by The_Dude 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, steven50 said: The lack of discipline was appalling. Having Petermen come out slinging the ball in the driving rain was a head scratching decision. The best player on our team touched the ball only 7 times all game. You don't have running back by committee when you have LeSean McCoy on your team! The Players didn't seem focused at all and some of that I attribute to the constant switching around of personnel. They need time to work together, pick a line up and stick with it for more then 2 days. Deciding who is going to start on game day and splitting reps all week leads to confusion and half trained starters. The front office cooked up this disaster by getting people like Chris Ivory and ignoring the wide receiver corps except for picking up someone they could get with a pack of bubble gum. Does anyone have the number of drops today? I haven't seen that many drops in little league games. Like many fans I think this game spent just a ton of the good will I had for this administration. I trusted the process and believed the coaches and front office knew things I didn't but holy cow that was epic. 2nd biggest loss in franchise history and it could have gotten worse if Baltimore would have kept the starters in. I honestly didn't expect them to win but I also didn't expect them to look like Buff State playing the defending Super Bowl Champions. I agree McCoy should have touched the ball more. He's our only star offensive player. When you have only one quality weapon, you need to use it. On the other hand, the OL was so bad - in fact, the whole team was so bad - that I don't think it mattered who was getting the hand-off. This game was going to be a rout no matter what. As the old adage goes, games are won and lost in the trenches. We lost in the trenches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 How do you know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 15 minutes ago, The_Dude said: McDumbass is solidly earning the title “Jauron Jr.” If you want to make rational criticisms of McD, go ahead. But do you really need to act like a 10 year old and make up insulting nicknames? Let's elevate the conversation. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dude Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 3 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said: If you want to make rational criticisms of McD, go ahead. But do you really need to act like a 10 year old and make up insulting nicknames? Let's elevate the conversation. Heres an elevated conversation; when you’re the head coach and your team gets its nuts stomped like that, “McDipshit” is fair game. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WellDressed Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 1 hour ago, GreggTX said: Yeah, I think Beane is vulnerable, but again, as long as they show at least a little competitiveness. I don't think Kim Pegula's job is in danger, though. Please describe her role in the loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 I agree, it's on coaching and the front office. They were the ones who believed Nate Peterman is a starting QB (a 5th round draft pick who's scouting report at the draft had him as a backup at most) could come in and start with little development and didnt need to get an established veteran option this offseason. AJ was the veteran, when this team needed someone with more experience to fill in until Allen is deemed ready to take over. There was no need or urgency from the front office to find replacements for the online when they lost 2/5ths of the line to surprise retirements. The line was already a spot that could have used some upgrading and only got worse. Their big upgrades to the WRs was another older mediocre vet in Kerley and some late picks after letting a decent WR walk after dealing for him last offseason. They make another late attempt to improve by trading a 7th for a guy they then gave up on after a few weeks. They cant keep hemorrhaging talent just to acquire more picks they hope can be used to obtain younger talent that might eventually be as good. 47 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said: I agree McCoy should have touched the ball more. He's our only star offensive player. When you have only one quality weapon, you need to use it. On the other hand, the OL was so bad - in fact, the whole team was so bad - that I don't think it mattered who was getting the hand-off. This game was going to be a rout no matter what. As the old adage goes, games are won and lost in the trenches. We lost in the trenches. It wasn't all on the line, they weren't good, but they also weren't horrible, you cant get the running game going when the defence is playing to stop it every play because they know your not a threat to throw. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuelTime Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 Whaley/Ryan > Beane/McD. Let's face it, McBeane backed into the playoffs last year with Whaley/Rex's team. The only unit on the entire team that I've seen any improvement in are the safeties. It looks like this is going to be a very long season to "process".. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 2 hours ago, jrober38 said: I disagree. We probably have the least talented team in the league. Coaching was a big reason we overachieved last year. The players simply didn't execute. We got dominated on both lines, and our QBs were awful. Coaching had nothing to do with it. Our success last year was the byproduct of 2 things. First, our quarterback (Tyrod, no longer on team) holds onto the ball better than any QB in NFL history. He simply won't turn it over. Second, especially for the first half or so of the season, we had a crazy takeaway rate. There is no statistic more indicative of winning or losing than takeaway/giveaways. It's more important as a predictor of success than scoring for God's sake...and we had a fantastic ratio. You take that ratio away last year and no way in hell do we make the playoffs. McDermott's actual in-game coaching was filled with mistakes and tactical miscues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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