Fadingpain Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 1 minute ago, dezertbill said: Makes perfect sense. That comeback vs. Bears showed Gruden the type of competitor he really is. He is way better than Cook or EJ. Solid guy playing in a situation where he could be asked to play meaningful games if Carr gets hurt. Glad for the kid. All the best to him. The comeback was nice to see, but he was God-awful in that game and even with the comeback stats padding the overall game stats, they were still horrible. Just now, Peace Frog said: That's true. Richard Sherman, Kam Chancellor, and Kyle Williams all turned out to be horrible 5th round picks. ? There are always statistical deviants but that is not predictable. The general assumption that a 5th will get you nothing is accurate, almost always. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace Frog Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 3 minutes ago, Fadingpain said: Huh. Surprised he could get a 5th for him, not that a 5th is worth much. AJ and EJ! Now they need some QB named "MJ" and they are all set in Raider Land! Tell that to Richard Sherman, Kam Chancellor, and Kyle Williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 Katherine Webb is staying but Beane had to throw in future considerations. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlgarsh Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 We must have set a record for dead cap space. It's like the early Snyder era Redskins, when they signed every free agent who was 35+ years old to a 5 year deal, only to cut them 8 months later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prissythecat Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 8 minutes ago, BillsEnthusiast said: Now bring EJ home, Beane. Well im thinking either EJ or Cook get cut so no need to do wheeling and dealing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 But Beane sucks because we gave up a 7th two years from now @Ittakestime 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefan66 Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 A little surprised he was traded. Kinda expected him to be the veteran presence. Surprised we got a 5th. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 1 minute ago, Fadingpain said: The comeback was nice to see, but he was God-awful in that game and even with the comeback stats padding the overall game stats, they were still horrible. There are always statistical deviants but that is not predictable. The general assumption that a 5th will get you nothing is accurate, almost always. Just like the general assumption that getting nothing for a player you do not want anyway will get you nothing is accurate ALWAYS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 20 minutes ago, CajunBillsBacker said: Sky Diver is going to be pissed. Wish him well. He’s a talented guy and Oakland sees his value. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 4 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: More dead dead presidents. It’s just (somebody else’s) money! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 Just now, Peace Frog said: That's true. Richard Sherman, Kam Chancellor, and Kyle Williams all turned out to be horrible 5th round picks. ? Both can be true, you know. The probability is against a 5th round pick becoming a solid starter, much less a star - something like 1 in 15or 1 in 20. But every year there are ~36-38 picks in the 5th round, so every year 1-2 players drafted in the 5th will turn out well or even become stars. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ittakestime Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 1 minute ago, BillsEnthusiast said: But Beane sucks because we gave up a 7th two years from now @Ittakestime Was never about pick, about wasting another 3.5 million in cap space we didn't have 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dezertbill Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 Just now, Fadingpain said: The comeback was nice to see, but he was God-awful in that game and even with the comeback stats padding the overall game stats, they were still horrible. It wasn't his best first half. But he had 5 throws that were to avoid a sack or kill the clock, a number of drops, and WRs that ran horrible routes on some pretty decent throws. And Chucky loves that grit. For a back up role he is a solid guy to have. Happy we got a fifth for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Peace Frog Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 2 minutes ago, Fadingpain said: The comeback was nice to see, but he was God-awful in that game and even with the comeback stats padding the overall game stats, they were still horrible. There are always statistical deviants but that is not predictable. The general assumption that a 5th will get you nothing is accurate, almost always. First of all, a 5th could be packaged with other picks/players for something way better. Draft capital, no? Also, Mark Brunell, Herschel Walker, Zach Thomas, Rodney Harrison, and Kevin Greene might disagree with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsMagic1 Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 If only a fifth and we get hit with dead space then it does not make sense. Should have just kept him. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 3 hours ago, Seanbillsfan2206 said: I never had any doubt. All 3 will see action this year guaranteed Oops Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 Congrats for making the team AJ! Just not the Bills (un)fortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace Frog Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Both can be true, you know. The probability is against a 5th round pick becoming a solid starter, much less a star - something like 1 in 15or 1 in 20. But every year there are ~36-38 picks in the 5th round, so every year 1-2 players drafted in the 5th will turn out well or even become stars. And a 5th can be packaged. I'm all down with building draft capital and a 5th will be quite handy in next year's draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yeezus Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 Praying to god this front office isn't dumb enough to play Allen day 1. That is the perfect route to ruining a potential franchise QB. Allen will get injured, ruined confidence, and set back in development. And Beane/Mcdermott will be thrown out the revolving door at one bills drive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 3 minutes ago, Ittakestime said: Was never about pick, about wasting another 3.5 million in cap space we didn't have Oh right, you worries about the cap. I meant to call out @TheTruthHurts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 Just now, BuffaloBillsMagic1 said: If only a fifth and we get hit with dead space then it does not make sense. Should have just kept him. It’s just currency for Beane. He LOVES to move up. The extra 4th, 5th and 7th could help them get another pick in the 1st 3 rounds. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dezertbill Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 3 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: For Sal's sake hopefully no one crashes Wikipedia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yeezus Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 Just now, BillsEnthusiast said: Oh right, you worries about the cap. I meant to call out @TheTruthHurts so when Beane trades our best players its all "he is clearing cap space" but when he makes dumb trades like this and creates more dead cap "the cap doesn't matter" pick a side for !@#$s sake 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manther Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 27 minutes ago, MDH said: I wasn't happy with what I saw from AJ but I don't know how this team goes into the season with 2 QBs behind this OL. Valid concern Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills_believer Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 Will they have to pick up a practice squad QB to run the scout team? I can see Logan Thomas being the emergency QB (if he has made the roster), but I would think they would need someone else for the scout team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest K-GunJimKelly12 Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 2 minutes ago, BuffaloBillsMagic1 said: If only a fifth and we get hit with dead space then it does not make sense. Should have just kept him. Who are we going to be prevented from signing because we added that dead cap space? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 Just shoot me already. Criminy Louise. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 6 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: Wish him well. He’s a talented guy and Oakland sees his value. Yes they do. A 5th round pick (coincidence that is where he was drafted how many years ago?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manther Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 23 minutes ago, Seanbillsfan2206 said: Why couldn’t McCarron be included in a package for Mack? Maybe that’s shows we really weren’t interested in what acquiring would do to the process and our long term plan. Acquiring Mack changes a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dezertbill Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 2 minutes ago, Peace Frog said: And a 5th can be packaged. I'm all down with building draft capital and a 5th will be quite handy in next year's draft. This Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xsoldier54 Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 17 minutes ago, jahnyc said: Kind of crazy to have only two QBs on the roster with this o-line. if the Bills were in discussions for Mack, I bet McCarron was part of our proposal. I bet they pick up a veteran QB later today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theRalph Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 23 minutes ago, Seanbillsfan2206 said: Why couldn’t McCarron be included in a package for Mack? Because it would’ve cost two first rounders. Beane would NEVER make that trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 Trade! Raiders Acquire QB McCarron from Buffalo The Oakland Raiders acquire quarterback AJ McCarron in a trade with the Buffalo Bills, a source informed of the situation told NFL Network Insider Ian Rapoport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 Just now, xsoldier54 said: I bet they pick up a veteran QB later today. I wouldn't be surprised to see the Bills pursue Landry Jones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 3 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: I thought it pretty unlikely they'd just cut McCarron. But I absolutely think they're shopping him right now to see if they can get a 5th-7th round draft pick. Nailed it. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WMDman Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 bring back joe webb!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manther Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 19 minutes ago, DBilz2500 said: Why didn't we try and get a lineman or at least some player in return? Most draft picks especially late round never pan out anyway Probably because those options aren’t an upgrade to our team. I am confident McBeane explored all options. Or were offered a fifth and thought....steal! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwhit34 Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 Joe Webb got released, return engagement? They appear okay with Allen and Peterman as their top two QBs, regardless of order, they need an emergency guy just in case not a bonafide #2. The "veteran presence" in the room is overblown that's what they have coaches for. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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