Bills' 2018 Training Camp Practice Day 14 at 8:45 AM at SJF - Closed to the Public

[MAJBobby]

3 minutes ago, Juice_32 said:

 

Does anyone know if Peterman is PS eligible?

 

By reading he would fall in the third Bullet here. So yep seems he has PS eligibility 

 

 

In order to be eligible for the practice squad, players must meet one of the following requirements:

• Have no prior Accrued Seasons in the NFL (An accrued season is six or more games on the active roster);
• Have one prior Accrued Season in which the player was on the 46-man active roster for no more than 8 games;
• Each club will be permitted to sign a maximum of 4 Practice Squad players who have earned no more than 2 accrued seasons of free agency credit;
• If served two seasons on a practice squad, are eligible for a third season only if the team has at least 53 players on its active/inactive list for the duration of that player's employment.
• A player has served one season on the practice squad if he is on the practice squad for at least 6 games. The rule previously required 3 games on the practice squad roster.

[MTBill]

MAJBobby - I get what you're laying down.

 

Looking at that link - of the teams who kept two - Texans, Eagles, Packers, Vikings, and 49ers all had QB changes during the season (just from memory - not looking this up).  Most of those teams who kept 2 also have a SOLID #1 (Russell Wilson, Jared Goff, Drew Brees, Cam Newton, Matt Ryan, Aaron Rodgers, Matt Stafford, Carson Wentz, Dak Prescott, Phillip Rivers, Marcus Mariota, Joe Flacco, and Tom Brady).  13 of those 19 teams were totally set with their #1.  We are not there yet.  If one of those guys went down and we had to throw Allen in as #1 - we could end up scrambling to get a #2.

 

I think BB & SM are keeping 3 QBs for now.

[bdutton]

6 minutes ago, Juice_32 said:

 

Does anyone know if Peterman is PS eligible?

 

3 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

He is.

If we put Peterman on the PS then any other team can sign him to their active roster.

 

We do that and we lose his value as trade piece.

[Mark Vader]

1 hour ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

Stock plummeting: Malachi Dupre, Robert Foster, Nick O'Leary

 

51 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

I think Croom is going into week 1 as the No 2 TE when it is all said and done. 

 

And Oleary is no where on this roster

 

My TE Ranking right now

 

Clay

Croom

Thomas

O’Leary

Lee 

Towbridge 

What makes you both think that O'Leary is in jeopardy?

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, bdutton said:

 

If we put Peterman on the PS then any other team can sign him to their active roster.

 

We do that and we lose his value as trade piece.

 

Not the case. The Bills would then have the option to elevate him to the 53. 

[MAJBobby]

1 minute ago, Mark Vader said:

 

What makes you both think that O'Leary is in jeopardy?

 

He is and has been bleeding reps for days now to the other TEs. This regime did not Draft him. That typically spells bad news for player 

[BillsSbSoon]

Theres no way peterman would go to the ps. Another team would sign him.

Ive gone from thinking aj will be the starter to thinking he may be released entirely. Hes only on a one year deal for starters. And if allen keeps coming on hes going to move up and they may not carry 3 this yr. 

 

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[GG]

5 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Not the case. The Bills would then have the option to elevate him to the 53. 

I thought the rule changed and it's up to the player to decide where he wants to go.

[MAJBobby]

5 minutes ago, MTBill said:

MAJBobby - I get what you're laying down.

 

Looking at that link - of the teams who kept two - Texans, Eagles, Packers, Vikings, and 49ers all had QB changes during the season (just from memory - not looking this up).  Most of those teams who kept 2 also have a SOLID #1 (Russell Wilson, Jared Goff, Drew Brees, Cam Newton, Matt Ryan, Aaron Rodgers, Matt Stafford, Carson Wentz, Dak Prescott, Phillip Rivers, Marcus Mariota, Joe Flacco, and Tom Brady).  13 of those 19 teams were totally set with their #1.  We are not there yet.  If one of those guys went down and we had to throw Allen in as #1 - we could end up scrambling to get a #2.

 

I think BB & SM are keeping 3 QBs for now.

 

It comes down to me How far along Allen is. If Allen is clearly the No 2 by end of Preseason and say Peterman wins the job you can cut McCarron. 

 

It wont be hard to find a 3rd QB to hold the clipboard if you face an Injury. 

 

Also would need to put a developmental QB on the PS. 

 

Now if McCarron wins the Job then I do think it is more likelt they keep 3 going forward no matter how Well Allen has been. 

 

To me McCarron needs to win the QB1 to keep his job. 

Just now, GG said:

I thought the rule changed and it's up to the player to decide where he wants to go.

 

Nope. But he would have to clear waivers on the intitial realease And I dont this he does intitially. 

[Deranged Rhino]

6 minutes ago, bdutton said:

 

If we put Peterman on the PS then any other team can sign him to their active roster.

 

We do that and we lose his value as trade piece.

 

Is there really much of a trade market for either AJM or Peterman though? AJM couldn't find many teams interested him while he was on the open market, and I'm not sure Peterman's tape will draw much in terms of compensation so far. 

 

An injury could change that equation, of course, and make a team desperate. But right now I don't think the Bills could flip either QB for very much of a return.

 

Maybe if AJM/Peterman lights it up in the first four weeks of the season... Until then? Not sure there's much to hope for in terms of trades. 

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[GG]

7 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

 

 

Nope. But he would have to clear waivers on the intitial realease And I dont this he does intitially. 

 

I believe the rule changed in the last CBA.  There's no more option to protect practice squad players. 

 

From the CBA:

 

Quote

Any player under contract to a Club as a Practice Squad player shall be completely free to negotiate and sign a Player Contract with any Club at any time during the League Year, to serve as a player on any Club’s Active or Inactive List, and any Club is completely free to negotiate and sign such a Player Contract with such player, without penalty or restriction, including, but not limited to, Draft Choice Compensation between Clubs or First Refusal Rights of any kind, or any signing period, except that such player shall not be permitted to sign a Player Contract with another Club to serve as a Practice Squad player while under contract as a Practice Squad player.

 

[ColoradoBills]

14 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Not the case. The Bills would then have the option to elevate him to the 53. 

 

8 minutes ago, GG said:

I thought the rule changed and it's up to the player to decide where he wants to go.

 

Section 2. Signing With Other Clubs:

(a) Any player under contract to a Club as a Practice Squad player shall be

completely free to negotiate and sign a Player Contract with any Club at any time during

the League Year, to serve as a player on any Club’s Active or Inactive List, and any Club

is completely free to negotiate and sign such a Player Contract with such player, without

penalty or restriction, including, but not limited to, Draft Choice Compensation between

Clubs or First Refusal Rights of any kind, or any signing period, except that such player

shall not be permitted to sign a Player Contract with another Club to serve as a Practice

Squad player while under contract as a Practice Squad player.

[26CornerBlitz]

Buffalo Bills training camp day 14: Josh Allen with second team (8 observations)

Pittsford, N.Y. -- Zay Jones was a full participant in practice for the first time all training camp Monday morning, and all signs point to him playing against the Cleveland Browns on Friday night.

 

Practice was closed to the public, but the Buffalo Bills still got after it for more than two hours at St. John Fisher College.

 

Jones' return, the quarterback shuffle and more in day 14 observations.

 

A.J. McCarron and Nathan Peterman practice

Josh Allen elevated to the second team

Zay Jones moving all over the place

Jones and Micah Hyde get into minor scuffle

Battle to watch: Matt Milano vs. Ramon Humber

Wide receiver updates

Injury updates

Marcus Murphy passing Travaris Cadet?

[ColoradoBills]

Just now, GG said:

 

I believe the rule changed in the last CBA.  There's no more option to protect practice squad players. 

 

From the CBA:

 

 

 

Brat me to it GG.

[bdutton]

10 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Is there really much of a trade market for either AJM or Peterman though? AJM couldn't find many teams interested him while he was on the open market, and I'm not sure Peterman's tape will draw much in terms of compensation so far. 

 

An injury could change that equation, of course, and make a team desperate. But right now I don't think the Bills could flip either QB for very much of a return.

 

Maybe if AJM/Peterman lights it up in the first four weeks of the season... Until then? Not sure there's much to hope for in terms of trades. 

I would dump the likes of EJ and sign Peterman in a heartbeat if I were Jon Gruden.

Edited August 13, 2018 by bdutton

[LeGOATski]

3 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Is there really much of a trade market for either AJM or Peterman though? AJM couldn't find many teams interested him while he was on the open market, and I'm not sure Peterman's tape will draw much in terms of compensation so far. 

 

An injury could change that equation, of course, and make a team desperate. But right now I don't think the Bills could flip either QB for very much of a return.

 

Maybe if AJM/Peterman lights it up in the first four weeks of the season... Until then? Not sure there's much to hope for in terms of trades. 

If they do well in the games and the Bills put one of them on the block, I think some QB-needy team will snatch them up. 

 

The Broncos could use a better backup, for example. 

 

At this point, I think Allen is good enough to at least be 2nd string. Another vet in the mix just muddies the water.

 

Start Peterman/McCarron, trade the other, and have Allen waiting in the wings. As soon as the starter falters or gets injured, Allen steps in and doesn't look back until he's deemed "franchise" or "bust."

[26CornerBlitz]

4 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

 

Section 2. Signing With Other Clubs:

(a) Any player under contract to a Club as a Practice Squad player shall be

completely free to negotiate and sign a Player Contract with any Club at any time during

the League Year, to serve as a player on any Club’s Active or Inactive List, and any Club

is completely free to negotiate and sign such a Player Contract with such player, without

penalty or restriction, including, but not limited to, Draft Choice Compensation between

Clubs or First Refusal Rights of any kind, or any signing period, except that such player

shall not be permitted to sign a Player Contract with another Club to serve as a Practice

Squad player while under contract as a Practice Squad player.

 

Yep.  This has changed.

[njbuff]

What exactly do you expect the Bills to get if they trade Peterman or McCarron?

 

There is nothing wrong with carrying three QB's. All of which are on friendly salaries.

 

 

 

And through most of camp, the one player that has hit the radar is Croom. Now, would it be a shock if he doesn't make the team?

[MILFHUNTER#518]

41 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

 

By reading he would fall in the third Bullet here. So yep seems he has PS eligibility 

 

 

In order to be eligible for the practice squad, players must meet one of the following requirements:

• Have no prior Accrued Seasons in the NFL (An accrued season is six or more games on the active roster);
• Have one prior Accrued Season in which the player was on the 46-man active roster for no more than 8 games;
• Each club will be permitted to sign a maximum of 4 Practice Squad players who have earned no more than 2 accrued seasons of free agency credit;
• If served two seasons on a practice squad, are eligible for a third season only if the team has at least 53 players on its active/inactive list for the duration of that player's employment.
• A player has served one season on the practice squad if he is on the practice squad for at least 6 games. The rule previously required 3 games on the practice squad roster.

Wasn't he the QB2 for most of last season for six or more games, which means he was in fact on the active roster?

[26CornerBlitz]

1 minute ago, MILFHUNTER#518 said:

Wasn't he the QB2 for most of last season for six or more games, which means he was in fact on the active roster?

 

3rd Bullet applies: Each club will be permitted to sign a maximum of 4 Practice Squad players who have earned no more than 2 accrued seasons of free agency credit

[Wayne Arnold]

39 minutes ago, Mark Vader said:

 

What makes you both think that O'Leary is in jeopardy?

 

Because of training camp reps.

[MILFHUNTER#518]

Just now, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

3rd Bullet applies: Each club will be permitted to sign a maximum of 4 Practice Squad players who have earned no more than 2 accrued seasons of free agency credit

Oh ok gotcha TY?

[billsbackto81]

On a separate note as far as training camp is concerned, I'm a little disappointed we haven't had a chance to see Trent Murphy really do anything. This is supposed to be our starting DE and he's been MIA with a groin injury and now is supposedly continuing to feel pain after practicing. This was one of the bigger acquisitions for us and we still don't know what we're getting. Shaq may be safe after all.

[Kirby Jackson]

Just now, billsbackto81 said:

On a separate note as far as training camp is concerned, I'm a little disappointed we haven't had a chance to see Trent Murphy really do anything. This is supposed to be our starting DE and he's been MIA with a groin injury and now is supposedly continuing to feel pain after practicing. This was one of the bigger acquisitions for us and we still don't know what we're getting. Shaq may be safe after all.

Murphy read your post and shook his head. He will be out 3 weeks with neck soreness.

[bobblehead]

37 minutes ago, njbuff said:

What exactly do you expect the Bills to get if they trade Peterman or McCarron?

 

There is nothing wrong with carrying three QB's. All of which are on friendly salaries.

 

 

 

And through most of camp, the one player that has hit the radar is Croom. Now, would it be a shock if he doesn't make the team?

As long as you can get “something” sounds like it’s worth it. Not to mention that there’s a good chance you will need 3 qb’s at some point, exp if two already went down (albeit for a day)

[Mark Vader]

59 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

 

He is and has been bleeding reps for days now to the other TEs. This regime did not Draft him. That typically spells bad news for player 

I get the picture, yet O'Leary was playing with the starters against Carolina.

 

This regime also inherited Logan Thomas.

Edited August 13, 2018 by Mark Vader

[RoyBatty is alive]

17 minutes ago, MILFHUNTER#518 said:

Oh ok gotcha TY?

Did you serve in the 11th ACR?

[MAJBobby]

28 minutes ago, MILFHUNTER#518 said:

Wasn't he the QB2 for most of last season for six or more games, which means he was in fact on the active roster?

 

But is eligible by bullet 3 

[H2o]

1 hour ago, Captain Murica said:

 

 

They must have asked him if he was out there dropping passes for Jesus. 

[billsbackto81]

25 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Murphy read your post and shook his head. He will be out 3 weeks with neck soreness.

Good thing I didn't write anything too negative or he'd probably go on IR.

[26CornerBlitz]

Joe B: 7 observations from 2018 Buffalo Bills training camp - Day 14

(WKBW) - The Buffalo Bills have only two days of training camp remaining, which means the Bills are closing in on the halfway point of the preseason. On Monday, we saw the confirmation of all the changes we witnessed during practice on Sunday by seeing similar things happen once more.

 

The big draw is what happened at quarterback, and what could happen if things follow the present track.

 

What stood out on Day 14? Seven observations from the day of work:

 

1) Josh Allen moves up

2) Trent Murphy injured again

3) Robert Foster has a bounce-back day

4) Bills continue to push Milano

5) Some movement at running back

6) Wyatt Teller continues to improve

7) More changes with the cornerback depth chart

 

Day 14 MVP: WR Robert Foster

- After a rough camp, Foster had to feel great about all the plays he made on Monday. He looked like the same player we saw in the spring practices.

 

Day 14 LVP: DE Trent Murphy

- He looked hampered by his injury and not able to make any counter moves in one-on-ones, and then had to sit out the rest of the practice with an injury. It's not all his fault, because it looked like he didn't have full trust in the injury just yet. The Bills need to focus on getting him healthy by early September above all else.

 

Up Next: Day 15 on Tuesday, August 14 at 8:45 am

Edited August 13, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz

[MILFHUNTER#518]

21 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

Did you serve in the 11th ACR?

Yes I did

[hemma]

Glad Lawson has picked up his game a bit, because Murphy and his Law.

[26CornerBlitz]

3 things to know from Day 14 at Bills camp

1 – Josh Allen practices with the second unit

Throughout training camp, head coach Sean McDermott and his staff have used a quarterback rotation in which each quarterback would see time with different groups. However, on day 14 of camp, a switch was made. Josh Allen spent the entire practice with the second team offense, marking the first practice in which the Bills have used this defined quarterback setup.

 

2 – Zay Jones returns to full contact

For the first week and a half of training camp, wide receiver Zay Jones was first on the non-football injury list and then practicing with a red non-contact uniform. However, Jones took the field today to participate in his first full contact practice. While practices do not always hold the same level of physicality as live games, it was a relief for Jones to get back into the full swing of things.

 

3 – Bills gain defensive line help

In Thursday’s contest with the Carolina Panthers, Bills defensive tackle Star Lotulelei injured his back against his former team. The injury was not considered serious, and Lotulelei missed just two practice sessions before returning today.

[BillsFan17]

Murphy really needs to get on the field already.

[Mark Vader]

11 minutes ago, BillsFan17 said:

Murphy really needs to get on the field already.

Groin transplant?

[nucci]

16 minutes ago, BillsFan17 said:

Murphy really needs to get on the field already.

No, he needs to be on the field when the season starts...

[Royale with Cheese]

20 minutes ago, BillsFan17 said:

Murphy really needs to get on the field already.

 

I say sit him until the regular season. 

Just have him do cardio and drill work once he gets over this latest set back.