Bills' 2018 Training Camp Day 3 - First Day in Pads

[Buffalo Barbarian]

8 hours ago, OJ Tom said:

Allen is way more talented than the other two.

 

It's gonna become pointless to not concentrate on getting him ready to play, and start giving him the vast majority of the 1st team reps. 

 

got a new avatar for ya.

 

[Fixxxer]

Glad to see John Miller is stepping up. Now is time for Teller and McDermott to do the same and we might have a steady OL going into the season. 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

8 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

WGR Audio: 7-28: Sean McDermott (12:53)

 

 

 

yeah, we know Sean.

 

good job rex

 

 

8 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

 

But Murphy is a bull 

 

 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

8 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...with all of the comments about this kid being a beast, he must be one helluva physical specimen...and at 20, the kid is still growing.....OMG....

 

Hes big already, I'm concerned he may outgrow his position 

 

 

[Luka]

I just came here to pour some out for Lorax's ankles.

[MAJBobby]

12 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

 

Just kee taking steps Forward Kid. If you do that you will be the Starting QB opening day

Edited July 29, 2018 by MAJBobby

[Steptide]

2 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

A street FA?  

 

Lols.  

 

What I wanna know     Who the hell is thad brown 

Thad brown is local sports reporter here in Rochester 

[Mat68]

Only a matter of time.  At this rate Allen gets the first go in preseason 1 and it is a wrap.

[Your Brown Eye]

3 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

When it became a passing league. It’s the same reason that Brandon Spikes is out of the league. You can’t be a 1 and a half down player. As an example if a team is down 14 points at the start of the 4th Star might not play again.

 

It’s like being a low post scorer in the pace and space NBA. That skill just isn’t as valuable.

 

Now, I have hope that Star can be more than just a space eater. It looks like Phillips definitely can. You need to be able to put pressure in the QB in today’s NFL above all else on defense. That’s why pass rushers get paid like they do.

 

If a team is down 14 in the 4th, wouldn't the opposing team most likely be trying to run out the clock on the ground? If I remember correctly, we couldn't get back into the game last season for those because we'd get gutted on the ground and couldn't stop the opposing team's run offense.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

2 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

Exactly, been doing a lot of hating on allen.

 

 

Too easy , just seemed like he nonchalantly tossed it out there.

 

 

That was a nice play.  

 

 

[Kirby Jackson]

2 minutes ago, Your Brown Eye said:

 

If a team is down 14 in the 4th, wouldn't the opposing team most likely be trying to run out the clock on the ground? If I remember correctly, we couldn't get back into the game last season for those because we'd get gutted on the ground and couldn't stop the opposing team's run offense.

When the Bills are up 14. 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

40 minutes ago, Steptide said:

Thad brown is local sports reporter here in Rochester 

So he should know how to who he is and how to spell Josh Allen.  

 

[MAJBobby]

AJ McCarron looking like TT 2.0 with his ultra safe play so far at camp 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

Just now, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

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The TD pas

[Buffalo Barbarian]

1 minute ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

The TD pas

 

Yeah I just deleted my post, my brain read nice place.lol

Edited July 29, 2018 by Buffalo Barbarian

[John from Riverside]

1 hour ago, MAJBobby said:

AJ McCarron looking like TT 2.0 with his ultra safe play so far at camp 

Not necessarily a bad thing

 

TT would make an excellent back up QB to a team......and if AJM ends up being a guy that could come in case of injury and win you 3 games.....that is a good thing....

 

Right now I am predicting

 

Peterman being released or sent to practice squad if possible

AJM starting the season with Josh Allen taking over perm at some point

or Josh Allen just flat winning the job and AJM is here to back him up

 

[co_springs_billsfan]

1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said:

When the Bills are up 14. 

Is that allowed?

[buffaloboyinATL]

3 hours ago, Steptide said:

Thad brown is local sports reporter here in Rochester 

Did Josh Allen steal his girlfriend?

[Stank_Nasty]

2 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

When the Bills are up 14. 

Is anyone really gonna complain if the bills are up 14 and star takes a seat in the 4th for a more adequate pass rush? It most likely means he did his job the first 3 quarters. 

 

That’s quite the “problem” to have. 

[Kirby Jackson]

1 minute ago, Stank_Nasty said:

Is anyone really gonna complain if the bills are up 14 and star takes a seat in the 4th for a more adequate pass rush? It most likely means he did his job the first 3 quarters. 

 

That’s quite the “problem” to have. 

No one is going to complain. Someone just asked “why is it considered a negative if someone is just a space eater?” In today’s pass happy NFL it is a negative because they aren’t on the field enough. I used the Brandon Spikes comparison for that because I think it’s valid. You HAVE to be a factor on passing downs.

 

Also, I’m not sure that Star can’t be. I don’t think that he is just some big slug in the middle. I think he can be useful on passing downs.

[Stank_Nasty]

3 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

No one is going to complain. Someone just asked “why is it considered a negative if someone is just a space eater?” In today’s pass happy NFL it is a negative because they aren’t on the field enough. I used the Brandon Spikes comparison for that because I think it’s valid. You HAVE to be a factor on passing downs.

 

Also, I’m not sure that Star can’t be. I don’t think that he is just some big slug in the middle. I think he can be useful on passing downs.

If the space eater is part of shutting down the run for 3 quarters and helping with a 14 lead by doing his job then I see very little negative about it. 

 

I also dont know that he can’t be more. I just totally disagree that the role of a “plugger” still isn’t an important one. It would have been invaluable at times last year for the bills. I personally think if he comes in and sures up the run game and leaves space for Edmunds to hunt he’ll be worth every penny. 

Edited July 29, 2018 by Stank_Nasty

[WMDman]

Star is gonna help on third downs by not allowing QBs to step up

[Prickly Pete]

5 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

got a new avatar for ya.

 

 

Hahaha, thx, but I like long legs. 

Agnetha is difficult to better.

[Buffalo Barbarian]

47 minutes ago, OJ Tom said:

 

Hahaha, thx, but I like long legs. 

Agnetha is difficult to better.

 

I like but hips, cheers 

[26CornerBlitz]

QB Josh Allen has strong day as Bills battle in pads at training camp

BUFFALO, N.Y. (WIVB) - With the pads on for the first time in training camp, football was officially back in full swing at St. John Fisher College.

 

Bills head coach Sean McDermott said there would continue to be a steady rotation among the quarterbacks as the competition to win the starting job progressed on Saturday.

 

Rookie Josh Allen, but all accounts, had his most consistent day in the pocket, which included a nice touchdown to Kaelin Clay.

[Kwai San]

23 hours ago, TPS said:

1. An away game against a good defensive front to start. 

2. They play some very good teams in the first 8, so if he/they start poorly the haters will start the bust talk. 

3. A couple of bad games against those first good teams won’t be good for his psyche. 

4. He hasn’t seen anything close to nfl defenses, so better to watch and learn. 

My preference is they take the mahomes approach, let him start at the end of the season if they are out of contention. 

 

These are in no no particular order. Again, unless it’s no contest, which I doubt will happen. 

 

This ^^^^  This ^^^^  AND THIS ^^^^^^^^^

[MAJBobby]

9 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

Not necessarily a bad thing

 

TT would make an excellent back up QB to a team......and if AJM ends up being a guy that could come in case of injury and win you 3 games.....that is a good thing....

 

Right now I am predicting

 

Peterman being released or sent to practice squad if possible

AJM starting the season with Josh Allen taking over perm at some point

or Josh Allen just flat winning the job and AJM is here to back him up

 

 

I think if Allen wins the job. And it is close between Peterman and McCarron that Peterman makes the teak and McCarron is outright cut. 

[Foxx]

15 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

CAPACCIO: Allen already a factor in QB race

Saturday was not only Josh Allen’s best day of training camp so far, but he was arguably the best quarterback on the field for the Bills.

 

And, once again for the second day in a row, the rookie got plenty of snaps with the first team offense against the starting defense.

 

Taking all of that in and looking at the big picture, it’s clear Allen is a legitimate option to become the team’s starter week one at the Baltimore Ravens. Of course there is still a long way to go and he hasn’t been perfect by any means, but to anyone watching practice, from fans in the stands to local or national media on the sidelines, there’s no doubting who the most naturally gifted QB is on the field every day.

 

For Allen to be taking reps with the first team already is somewhat surprising given that he was exclusively with the third string offense throughout OTAs and a minicamp.  Also, head coach Sean McDermott gave indications that’s how it would be to start training camp.

 

That was how it started. And lasted one day.

Sal must have a short memory (if not faulty) or maybe he was napping. Allen was not exclusively with the 3rd team throughout all of minicamp.

[26CornerBlitz]

1 minute ago, Foxx said:

Sal must have a short memory (if not faulty) or maybe he was napping. Allen was not exclusively with the 3rd team throughout all of minicamp.

 

IIRC, Allen was with the #3 offense until the final day of minicamp.

[Foxx]

9 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

IIRC, Allen was with the #3 offense until the final day of minicamp.

all three days.

 

At the team’s first minicamp practice on Tuesday, Allen saw some time with the ones, ...

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

19 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

IIRC, Allen was with the #3 offense until the final day of minicamp.

Spend more time actually reading all the tweets you post and you would know that Allen has had opportunities throughout with the ones.   

 

 

Allen saw some time with the ones, and according to McDermott, he’ll continue to see time with the first team “periodically” moving forward.

 

It’s been like this since the last OTA’s. 

[Kirby Jackson]

9 hours ago, Stank_Nasty said:

If the space eater is part of shutting down the run for 3 quarters and helping with a 14 lead by doing his job then I see very little negative about it. 

 

I also dont know that he can’t be more. I just totally disagree that the role of a “plugger” still isn’t an important one. It would have been invaluable at times last year for the bills. I personally think if he comes in and sures up the run game and leaves space for Edmunds to hunt he’ll be worth every penny. 

Even if he is helping shut down the run he’s playing 1 down. If they get a stop on 1st and 10 at the LOS the guys strictly playing the run are off the field. While he is certainly helping the team it is in a limited capacity. He’s playing 1/3 of the snaps at that point. You need to be able to do more than one thing in sports in 2018. That holds especially true for a guy that signed the contract that he did. I have hope that he can be more than a space eater. You can find a 1 down space eater for WAY less than Star so he needs to be more.

[Stank_Nasty]

2 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Even if he is helping shut down the run he’s playing 1 down. If they get a stop on 1st and 10 at the LOS the guys strictly playing the run are off the field. While he is certainly helping the team it is in a limited capacity. He’s playing 1/3 of the snaps at that point. You need to be able to do more than one thing in sports in 2018. That holds especially true for a guy that signed the contract that he did. I have hope that he can be more than a space eater. You can find a 1 down space eater for WAY less than Star so he needs to be more.

We agree on thinking he has the potential to be more than that. We just disagree on how valuable a big piece of meat clogging up the drain can be. No big deal though. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

43 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

Spend more time actually reading all the tweets you post and you would know that Allen has had opportunities throughout with the ones.   

Allen saw some time with the ones, and according to McDermott, he’ll continue to see time with the first team “periodically” moving forward.

It’s been like this since the last OTA’s. 

 

I can't comment on how much time a guy spends reading tweets

 

I believe it is correct that Allen didn't see time with the 1's until the last day of spring OTAs

I recall a lot of reporter questions about that during the spring and a non-committal McDermott.

 

Then yes, once he saw a bit of time with the 1s he continued to see a bit through minicamp.

 

1 hour ago, Foxx said:

Sal must have a short memory (if not faulty) or maybe he was napping. Allen was not exclusively with the 3rd team throughout all of minicamp.

 

Correct

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

6 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I can't comment on how much time a guy spends reading tweets

 

I believe it is correct that Allen didn't see time with the 1's until the last day of spring OTAs

I recall a lot of reporter questions about that during the spring and a non-committal McDermott.

 

Then yes, once he saw a bit of time with the 1s he continued to see a bit through minicamp.

 

 

Correct

He got minimal time with the ones 3 maybe 4 snaps which increased ever so slightly. 

 

I recall this because I followed up on people’s comments that JA was already # 2 on the depth chart. 

 

The Bills App and Google are useful tools.  

 

[billsfan89]

19 hours ago, Fadingpain said:

I know what you mean, but as an aside, when did it become bad for an interior defensive lineman to "only" be a "space eater"???

 

That's kind of the point....eat space and don't get pushed out of that space to create a hole.

 

Ted Washington was an excellent space eater for us.  Jeff Wright not so much.

 

 

 

With the emphasis on the pass game the past 20 years there seems to be a premium placed on DT's to be a bigger force on the pass rush. Whereas in the past DT's were main there to clog up running lanes and push the pocket. There also seems to be a thought in the current NFL that big-time run stuffing DT's are "easier" to find than guys that can rush the passer up the middle.

 

I don't necessarily agree with that logic but that's what people around the league think. DT is becoming more of a pass rush position in recent years and given that the interior pass rush is effective that won't be changing anytime soon. I personally think that in a 4-3 having a space eater like Star is effective. Run defense up the middle is important but also having a smart DT that knows how to slide around and take up double teams like Star does is also important for the pass rush and to keep players off of the line backer. A lot of what Star does won't show up on advanced metrics or in the stat sheet but it will show up in how improved the rush defense is up the middle and how well the LB's play.