Dolphins will suspend and/or fine any player who displays anthem protest

[Augie]

7 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Replacement players are worse for business

 

Replacement players serve only to get the actual players to fall back in line. Bad short term, but get the leverage in the next CBA negotiation. That’s how I see it. 

[Clemfield2622]

2 minutes ago, Rico said:

If so, then no better team for this to happen to, !@#$ Miami.

You're missing the point. If everybody did it, nobody would be punished.

 

You really think the owner would forfeit to make a point?

[Teddy KGB]

26 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Is it really necessary to play the National Anthem before a game?  They usually don't play it before a concert.  Maybe it's time they put this tradition to bed.

 

Yes.    This new fad of hating the USA will blow over and we can go back to being normal again. 

[C.Biscuit97]

5 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

Whether it’s overblown depends upon how big you think it is. I can tell you this - it is real. How BIG, I can’t say, but I had a college buddy at the Bengals game refuse to go even with a free ticket. And that was BEFORE we knew how nasty the weather would be. He DID show for the tail gate, as he’s NOT boycotting beer and food. 

The Bengals sucked last year.  And that’s fine, it’s his right.  But the nfl is so far superior over everything that of course it will drop at some point.

 

the owners don’t want to lose a penny.  But they also risk isolating people who think they are forcing their own beliefs down other people’s throats.  

[Doc Brown]

8 minutes ago, corta765 said:

 

I wish it was that easy but patriotism is bedrock foundation to this country both good and at times bad which has gotten us into trouble i.e Vietnam to stop communism. There is vast amount of Americans who not only see the anthem at games as tradition, but a civic honor to those who fight and serve the country. This type of nationalism is put in those people from birth and regardless of any argument explaining the kneeling they see it as an offense to those people. In other countries it is not common for anthems like this, but remember the US was founded on this nationalist type of ideal.

 

I went to school for Poli Sci so I have looked at this pretty heavily from an analysis standpoint. You effectively have one side pro flag standing defending the nationalist element and the other saying that protesting is apart of the fabric of the US and the cause they are for is just. I don't believe either side is necessarily wrong, but the division is so great there is massive fighting by both and reason won't be heard. In general we are also replicating the social civil war we saw in the 1960s all over again. History does repeat regularly this seems to be the next step.

 

Stopping the anthem would eliminate both sides argument both ways with probably more outrage from the pro flag/anthem people. It would also probably be a hornets nests worse then last year which is why the NFL won't do it.

If they eliminated it I believe the NFL would take a big hit in ratings in the short term, but a majority of those people will eventually come back.  It would eventually provide a permanent solution to this problem that seems to never go away.

[vorpma]

34 minutes ago, THE SLAMMER said:

Here we go

Please shut this down now!

[Doc Brown]

4 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

 

Yes.    This new fad of hating the USA will blow over and we can go back to being normal again. 

If I stood up and started singing the national anthem before a movie you would look at me odd.  Yet, both venues are a form of entertainment.

[C.Biscuit97]

3 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

 

Yes.    This new fad of hating the USA will blow over and we can go back to being normal again. 

When will the fad of pretending that you are a better American going to stop?

 

dear lord, this got ramped up again by a guy who used bone spurs as excuse not to fight for the country and made fun of a war hero for being a POW.  Talk about false patriotism and trying to cater to a base.

[Fadingpain]

We already knew Steven Ross was a douche bag, but we didn't know this BIG of a douche bag.

 

We're going to find out who has balls on the Miami Dolphins.

 

I hope every guy on the team joins hands, takes 4 steps forward away from the sideline, and KNEELS just as the singer starts in with "oh say can you see".

 

Let this asshat suspend his entire team.

 

 

15 minutes ago, Sky Diver said:

 

Moot point. It won’t happen.

Around here, it's "mute" point, rookie.

 

41 minutes ago, Clemfield2622 said:

Cool. Can't wait to see the entire team do it and shove it up the owners ass.

That is what I am praying for,  and frankly, it is the only appropriate, acceptable thing for the players to do.

 

All of them.

 

 

Edited July 19, 2018 by Fadingpain

[Kirby Jackson]

4 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

Replacement players serve only to get the actual players to fall back in line. Bad short term, but get the leverage in the next CBA negotiation. That’s how I see it. 

I actually believe the opposite. While the owners can outlast the players the league will lose billions if they lose the players. The NFL has no interest in being the XFL. They need each other. The second a league gets so arrogant that they lose sight of that is when the decline starts. That’s why it is different than other industries. Your assets are your liabilities (and they are human). 

[Augie]

2 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

The Bengals sucked last year.  And that’s fine, it’s his right.  But the nfl is so far superior over everything that of course it will drop at some point.

 

the owners don’t want to lose a penny.  But they also risk isolating people who think they are forcing their own beliefs down other people’s throats.  

 

He would not have gone if they were undefeated. I know that for sure. 

 

Interesting, I feel like the players are trying to shove their beliefs down our throats. Nobody in their right mind is PRO-police abuse, but when at work you do your job. Six days a week you can share your beliefs and concerns. Not on game day in your employers uniform. 

 

Also, the owners want every penny, I agree. They are smart enough with sufficiently deep pockets to be able to look down the road to the long term results.

 

The easy way out is to drop the anthem. I don’t like caving to that option. 

3 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I actually believe the opposite. While the owners can outlast the players the league will lose billions if they lose the players. The NFL has no interest in being the XFL. They need each other. The second a league gets so arrogant that they lose sight of that is when the decline starts. That’s why it is different than other industries. Your assets are your liabilities (and they are human). 

The decline may have already started, but I think the owners have a long term view that a player with a 3.5 year window cannot afford. 

[njbuff]

Will this entire anthem thing just please go the fvck away?

[Fadingpain]

Just now, njbuff said:

Will this entire anthem thing just please go the fvck away?

It was quickly on its way to doing just that when the NFL stepped in and brought it right back to center stage.

 

LOL.  Idiots!
 

 

[Domdab99]

49 minutes ago, Clemfield2622 said:

Cool. Can't wait to see the entire team do it and shove it up the owners ass.

 

This. If they have any self-respect at all, the whole team should kneel that first game. 

[That's No Moon]

Each team has it's own policy.  It will be interesting to see how these policies differ as they come to light in the next week or so.

[Teddy KGB]

3 minutes ago, Domdab99 said:

 

This. If they have any self-respect at all, the whole team should kneel that first game. 

 

Why ?  

 

Kneel because they wake up on million dollar balconies overlooking the ocean ? 

 

Or because Mike Brown stole some blunts and fought a store owner and cop ? 

 

Or because CNN said Trump ate a lot of ice cream ? 

 

Edited July 19, 2018 by Teddy KGB

[B-Man]

49 minutes ago, Commonsense said:

Yeah the guys writing the checks tell the guys cashing the checks how to act while at work, just like every other job. 

 

 

AMEN.

 

 

You can speak up and protest all you want on YOUR time, at work you follow the rules.

 

 

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[That's No Moon]

2 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

AMEN.

 

 

You can speak up and protest all you want on YOUR time, at work you follow the rules.

 

 

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Yeah, you can get fired for protesting on your own time too.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

 

...laughable...if any one of us REAL working stiffs used our employer's platform to express political views, we'd all be colored "pink" in a nanosecond....Code of Conduct while in the "care, custody and control (ie. working hours)" of said EMPLOYER shall govern.....conduct outside those parameters shall be governed by the Laws of the State of_____....violations shall be dealt with accordingly"............

[Rico]

25 minutes ago, Clemfield2622 said:

You're missing the point. If everybody did it, nobody would be punished.

 

You really think the owner would forfeit to make a point?

Probably not, but I support anything and everything that turns Miami into a clown show.

[B-Man]

2 minutes ago, That's No Moon said:

Yeah, you can get fired for protesting on your own time too.

 

 

In some cases..................................true, but we are talking about the NFL and (specifically) the Miami Dolphins.

 

That is NOT what they posted ...............as you know.

 

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AP reporting that the Dolphins will enforce a new policy this season called the "Proper Anthem Conduct."

 

Players who protest on the field during the national anthem could be suspended up to 4 games, be hit with a fine or both.

 

[HOUSE]

Now that I think about it, Trent Edwards was indeed slightly better then JP Losman

 

[Doc Brown]

They should just sing it twice.

 

"Please stand for the National Anthem if you respect our military."

"Please stand for the National Anthem if you're not protesting racial inequality, police brutality, or something you don't like about this country."

 

They'll get so sick of having to listen to it twice the players will stop protesting.

[That's No Moon]

Just now, B-Man said:

 

 

In some cases..................................true, but we are talking about the NFL and (specifically) the Miami Dolphins.

 

That is NOT what they posted ...............as you know.

 

 

And the magic word in that statement is COULD.  It's not written as WILL.

 

And just so you're clear it's not some cases where an employers can fire you for exercising 1st Amendment rights.  It's any case.  

[Clemfield2622]

21 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

 

Why ?  

 

Kneel because they wake up on million dollar balconies overlooking the ocean ? 

 

Or because Mike Brown stole some blunts and fought a store owner and cop ? 

 

Or because CNN said Trump ate a lot of ice cream ? 

 

It's funny how the right wants us to kiss the rings of the old, white rich and be thankful for everything they give us.

 

But when the rich are young black men, they're unappreciative of what is given to THEM.

 

The owners control the purse strings, but the players are the product. Their elite skills fill stadiums, not the business acumen of Jerry Jones or Robert Kraft.

[greeneblitz]

Good, hopefully the league finally shows some backbone and gets it's employees under control before they kill the league once and for all.

[cage]

This is ridiculous.  It seems to me that the easy solution to this problem would be for the league, which has a majority of black players, should recognize that there's a problem here.  In exchange for an agreement not to kneel during the anthem, players would be granted two 30s commercial spots per game to tell their story about just policing.  The NFL would pay for the spots.  They give up 2 beer commercials.  Each team can elect 2 spokesmen to cut the commercials with.  The first spot plays before kickoff featuring the home team's spokes person.  The 2nd spot before the halftime kickoff featuring the away team's spokesperson.  The players get to tell their story, the league empathizes with a social issue that's important to their players and many fans and all anthem related controversy is diffused.  

 

Why is this so hard??

 

I've been at Bills backers bars in multiple cities and NOBODY focuses on the anthem.  The outrage on this issue is absolute BS.  In one bar, they actually muted the anthem while it was playing and put on the Bills Shout song.  So this is a fake controversy through and through.

 

Edited July 19, 2018 by cage

[Fadingpain]

4 minutes ago, Clemfield2622 said:

It's funny how the right wants us to kiss the rings of the old, white rich and be thankful for everything they give us.

 

But when the rich are young black men, they're unappreciative of what is given to THEM.

 

The owners control the purse strings, but the players are the product. Their elite skills fill stadiums, not the business acumen of Jerry Jones or Robert Kraft.

Amen brother.

 

 

[LeGOATski]

This is why the Dolphins suck.

[Clemfield2622]

1 minute ago, cage said:

This is ridiculous.  It seems to me that the easy solution to this problem would be for the league, which has a majority of black players, should recognize that there's a problem here.  In exchange for an agreement not to kneel during the anthem, players would be granted two 30s commercial spots per game to tell their story about just policing.  The NFL would pay for the spots.  They give up 2 beer commercials.  Each team can elect 2 spokesmen to cut the commercials with.  The first spot plays before kickoff featuring the home team's spokes person.  The 2nd spot before the halftime kickoff featuring the away team's spokesperson.  The players get to tell their story, the league empathizes with a social issue that's important to their players and many fans and all anthem related controversy is diffused.  

 

Why is this so hard??

Because the billionaire overlords don't want the players message to be spread

[Fadingpain]

3 minutes ago, greeneblitz said:

Good, hopefully the league finally shows some backbone and gets it's employees under control before they kill the league once and for all.

I hope that is a facetious joke.

 

I'm thinking it is not.

 

1 minute ago, Clemfield2622 said:

Because the billionaire overlords don't want the players message to be spread

Their "message" is our constitutionally guaranteed right to freedom of speech/expression.

 

If we don't support that, there was no need to fight Nazi Germany in WWII, or the USSR for 50 years during the Cold War.

 

 

[B-Man]

11 minutes ago, That's No Moon said:

And the magic word in that statement is COULD.  It's not written as WILL.

 

And just so you're clear it's not some cases where an employers can fire you for exercising 1st Amendment rights.  It's any case.  

 

 

Yes...............you finally have it.

 

The Dolphins COULD fine or suspend you for On Field behavior, it is not automatic (as in WILL), but you are forewarned.

 

Just as in your second line, YES, an employer COULD fire you for exercising your first amendment rights, in any job, but (as you know) that is NOT what the Dolphins said.

 

 

Words (Magic or otherwise) mean things.

 

 

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[HappyDays]

1 hour ago, Commonsense said:

Yeah the guys writing the checks tell the guys cashing the checks how to act while at work, just like every other job. 

 

Professional athlete isn't just any other job. If every player on the team protests this policy they can't just fire them all. God every time the NFL can let this story die they just have to do something to get it going again. Makes me wonder if they're making a lot of money on the controversy.

[That's No Moon]

FTR - the act of sitting or kneeling through the anthem never crossed my mind until the current POTUS said "You have to stand proudly for the national anthem or you shouldn't be playing. You shouldn't be there. Maybe you shouldn't be in the country."  That's not what this country is about.  That's not what many founders of this country would have believed in.  Many founders of this country would have argued to their dying breath that such an assertion of federal and executive power flies in the face of the principles the country was founded upon.  There is a reason the Bill of Rights were the first 10 Amendments to the Constitution.  They weren't originally included and a large contingent of delegates refused to support the Constitution until they were included and moments like this are why they did that.  The NFL as a private employer has an issue with your behavior, fine.  When the government starts weighing in then it becomes an issue.  Obedience and fealty to tradition and symbolism are not what patriotism is about.

 

I still stand because it's what I choose to do, not because POTUS suggested I have to.  I still teach my children to stand because it what I believe is the right thing to do.  if one of them came to me and told me they didn't want to stand and the could give me a well thought out reason for doing so and a particular objective they were trying to achieve I'd support that.  I don't have to agree with them and I can still continue to make my own choice on how to behave.  I would also respect the spirit of what they were doing with the understanding that this country was made as much by people who cut across the grain of what was commonplace, expected, and tolerated by the majority as it was by those who fell in line.

[Zebrastripes]

5 minutes ago, Clemfield2622 said:

It's funny how the right wants us to kiss the rings of the old, white rich and be thankful for everything they give us.

 

But when the rich are young black men, they're unappreciative of what is given to THEM.

 

The owners control the purse strings, but the players are the product. Their elite skills fill stadiums, not the business acumen of Jerry Jones or Robert Kraft.

If these players cared so much about making a difference why don't they go out and do something about it then.  Taking a knee or raising a fist doesn't do anything for a cause they are protesting.  Why don't they hit the streets and attempt to make a change first hand.  I know some of these guys do but the majority of them would just rather take a knee just to start a controversy.  If there is a problem one of these guys want fixed they should go out and help try to fix it because taking a knee won't solve any issue.  In fact all it does it create a bigger issue and divide people even further.

[Fadingpain]

Just now, HappyDays said:

 

Professional athlete isn't just any other job. If every player on the team protests this policy they can't just fire them all. God every time the NFL can let this story die they just have to do something to get it going again. Makes me wonder if they're making a lot of money on the controversy.

I'm not sure how they could be, but rest assured, if they could make a nickel off the protest controversy, their policies would change to support it.  

[That's No Moon]

2 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Professional athlete isn't just any other job. If every player on the team protests this policy they can't just fire them all. God every time the NFL can let this story die they just have to do something to get it going again. Makes me wonder if they're making a lot of money on the controversy.

All the media outlets are.  All of them.  On every side.

[B-Man]

37 minutes ago, Domdab99 said:

 

This. If they have any self-respect at all, the whole team should kneel that first game. 

 

12 minutes ago, Clemfield2622 said:

It's funny how the right wants us to kiss the rings of the old, white rich and be thankful for everything they give us.

 

But when the rich are young black men, they're unappreciative of what is given to THEM.

 

The owners control the purse strings, but the players are the product. Their elite skills fill stadiums, not the business acumen of Jerry Jones or Robert Kraft.

 

7 minutes ago, Fadingpain said:

Amen brother.

 

 

7 minutes ago, Clemfield2622 said:

Because the billionaire overlords don't want the players message to be spread

 

 

Seems to be a common theme here.

[That's No Moon]

3 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

Yes...............you finally have it.

Where's the condescension coming from?  I commented twice.  It's not like we've had a long protracted argument about this.

[The Wiz]

26 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...laughable...if any one of us REAL working stiffs used our employer's platform to express political views, we'd all be colored "pink" in a nanosecond....Code of Conduct while in the "care, custody and control (ie. working hours)" of said EMPLOYER shall govern.....conduct outside those parameters shall be governed by the Laws of the State of_____....violations shall be dealt with accordingly"............

You can if you are part of the majority.

 

Back in 2006 while working at a deaf college there was a protest for access to information from the deaf community because hearing people were talking to each other in public without using sign language.  This was orchestrated by students but was the because of hearing faculty/staff telling them to do it because of their own agendas (many of the faculty came out and said it but nothing out of house was spoken).  The bigger problem was they were doing it regardless if you were in a public space or not.  If you were talking on your phone, they would put a tally on a big board for talking without signing.  In your office and someone walked by and saw you talking without signing, another tally on the big board.

 

Forums were held because of it.  Questions of prejudice came up.  Multiple deaf faculty/staff members stood in support of the protest and nothing happened to anyone.

 

Not much changed in the community between deaf and hearing people other than some tension that year (maybe 2) but all and all more should have been done because of it and nothing was.