LeSean McCoy allegations

[YoloinOhio]

Unless some news comes out in the next 3 days, we expect him at SJF, no?

[Big C]

13 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Unless some news comes out in the next 3 days, we expect him at SJF, no?

 

Yup. Hopefully it isn't a distraction.

[transplantbillsfan]

Sooooo... any news or still the status quo?

 

If there's no real updates and this thread has just been an additional 10 pages of banter since I checked in on Tuesday, Shady will be a full participant at TC and on the roster to start the season until something actually comes out.

 

I'm fine with the "me too" movement and all because any serious form of abuse of women is reprehensible, but so far this situation is a good argument against it considering how incredibly flimsy it is along with the he said /she said nature of it as it relates to a secondary party, not even the woman who was supposedly abused.

Edited July 21, 2018 by transplantbillsfan

[YoloinOhio]

25 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

Sooooo... any news or still the status quo?

 

If there's no real updates and this thread has just been an additional 10 pages of banter since I checked in on Tuesday, Shady will be a full participant at TC and on the roster to start the season until something actually comes out.

 

I'm fine with the "me too" movement and all because any serious form of abuse of women is reprehensible, but so far this situation is a good argument against it considering how incredibly flimsy it is along with the he said /she said nature of it as it relates to a secondary party, not even the woman who was supposedly abused.

There has been absolutely nothing from Shady’s side since his denial of involvement and the hiring of the big time lawyer. The other side has yapped, back tracked, and apparently yapped some more likely to the delight of Shady’s lawyer. Thus far nothing connecting him to the crime, and police reports from a year ago where he feared she would try to set him up for DV. 

[CommonCents]

I still don’t think he is at camp. If he doesn’t get placed on the exempt list I think the team will pull a quickie. Keep working out we know you will be ready for the season. Protecting themselves while pretending to protect the player. 

 

Still haven’t heard anything about his level of cooperation with the league/PD. Did we even hear anything from his own lawyer about it? We are cooperating 100% to quickly resolve these outlandish claims blah blah..

 

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

Unless some news comes out in the next 3 days, we expect him at SJF, no?

 

Yes.  And one of the benefits of having hired a high-priced attorney is no one can overly press Shady to discuss the matter - he can say "my story will come out in time, until then, no comment" and refer any objections to his attorney.

 

14 minutes ago, Commonsense said:

Still haven’t heard anything about his level of cooperation with the league/PD. Did we even hear anything from his own lawyer about it? We are cooperating 100% to quickly resolve these outlandish claims blah blah..

 

Since the only word from the league is "There's not much that (league leaders) can do until the police get further along," one person familiar with the league's inner workings said. "It's very early in the process" such an announcement would seem a bit premature, so to speak.

[transplantbillsfan]

23 minutes ago, Commonsense said:

I still don’t think he is at camp. If he doesn’t get placed on the exempt list I think the team will pull a quickie. Keep working out we know you will be ready for the season. Protecting themselves while pretending to protect the player. 

 

Still haven’t heard anything about his level of cooperation with the league/PD. Did we even hear anything from his own lawyer about it? We are cooperating 100% to quickly resolve these outlandish claims blah blah..

 

 

 

Seriously????

 

There isn't even a case here as far as Shady is concerned right now. If new things are revealed, maybe, but right now the only way Shady is connected to the case is that his tenant was robbed and assaulted in Georgia while he was in Florida. That's all we KNOW right now, right?

 

That's what Yolo just said in the post right above yours.

 

Are you expecting a friend's accusations of domestic abuse while the alleged abused simultaneously publicly denies it happened to really be the foundation this entire case is built upon and the reason Shady is not allowed in camp this week?

 

Not going to happen. That would be an absolutely atrocious precedent that would be set by either the team or the league and I'm sure the player's union would immediately and rightfully intervene.

[YoloinOhio]

32 minutes ago, Commonsense said:

I still don’t think he is at camp. If he doesn’t get placed on the exempt list I think the team will pull a quickie. Keep working out we know you will be ready for the season. Protecting themselves while pretending to protect the player. 

 

Still haven’t heard anything about his level of cooperation with the league/PD. Did we even hear anything from his own lawyer about it? We are cooperating 100% to quickly resolve these outlandish claims blah blah..

 

 

I feel like the Bills would have to tell him not to show up. Unless they have info we don’t, it would look weird if they did that. Who knows though. 

[Uncle Joe]

2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

I feel like the Bills would have to tell him not to show up. Unless they have info we don’t, it would look weird if they did that. Who knows though. 

 

Only The Shadow knows.

[Doc]

5 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

OK, so the nightclub incident featured some video, beaucoup of witnesses, Shady and his pals admitting they were there and involved, a big city PD, and still took 8 weeks.

DeCordonGate features two women, an AWOL son, and a single home invader in a ski mask, and a smaller town PD (which might be more resources/case if it's a peaceful area, nothing else to do).

 

I'm gonna say at least 6 months on this one.

 

If they don't find anything within 2 months, they likely won't find anything by 6 months.  But it also might be a case where they just don't say anything and let it die quietly.

 

4 hours ago, Commonsense said:

I still don’t think he is at camp. If he doesn’t get placed on the exempt list I think the team will pull a quickie. Keep working out we know you will be ready for the season. Protecting themselves while pretending to protect the player. 

 

Still haven’t heard anything about his level of cooperation with the league/PD. Did we even hear anything from his own lawyer about it? We are cooperating 100% to quickly resolve these outlandish claims blah blah..

 

He'll be at camp.  I'll put good money on it.

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

Who thinks the dog kicking thing was real? I know it’s not the most trust worthy source. I think the poster really believes he hired someone to attack her. So if you believed someone had done that to your friend would you also make up a couple of lies of lesser severity in order to slander the person? Why would that be necessary?

 

It’s possible, but something tells me that hospital room wasn’t a writer’s room. The post was made out of anger and the specific nature of the dog claim makes me believe it’s true. 

 

[The Red King]

2 hours ago, Chemical said:

Who thinks the dog kicking thing was real? I know it’s not the most trust worthy source. I think the poster really believes he hired someone to attack her. So if you believed someone had done that to your friend would you also make up a couple of lies of lesser severity in order to slander the person? Why would that be necessary?

 

It’s possible, but something tells me that hospital room wasn’t a writer’s room. The post was made out of anger and the specific nature of the dog claim makes me believe it’s true. 

 

 

When you are slandering someone, everything is blown out of proportion.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 hours ago, Chemical said:

Who thinks the dog kicking thing was real? I know it’s not the most trust worthy source. I think the poster really believes he hired someone to attack her. So if you believed someone had done that to your friend would you also make up a couple of lies of lesser severity in order to slander the person? Why would that be necessary?

 

It’s possible, but something tells me that hospital room wasn’t a writer’s room. The post was made out of anger and the specific nature of the dog claim makes me believe it’s true.

 

I dunno, different people see things differently.  I would have felt the Insta was more credible if it stuck to one claim, or maybe two.  As it was it seemed a bit smorgasboard and overthetop to me.

[beerme1]

15 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I think you might be missing a few necessary steps to make this effective.

 

You're right. If I had a lawyer say Tom Brady kicked beerme1's dog! it would probably have more significance. Now I just need to find a desperate headline grabbing attorney. Shouldn't be too hard I think.

[Doc]

11 hours ago, Chemical said:

Who thinks the dog kicking thing was real? I know it’s not the most trust worthy source. I think the poster really believes he hired someone to attack her. So if you believed someone had done that to your friend would you also make up a couple of lies of lesser severity in order to slander the person? Why would that be necessary?

 

It’s possible, but something tells me that hospital room wasn’t a writer’s room. The post was made out of anger and the specific nature of the dog claim makes me believe it’s true.

 

She also said that he beats his son and his son's mother said that's a lie.

 

And I'm still trying to figure out how the assailant believing Cordon when she said that the jewelry was in a safe deposit box points to Shady?  Anyone?

[Bill_with_it]

This thread has turned into a 5 star **it show.

Innocent until proven guilty.

You dont know what you dont know. You know?

[Doc]

5 minutes ago, Bill_with_it said:

This thread has turned into a 5 star **it show.

Innocent until proven guilty.

You dont know what you dont know. You know?

 

He left a bad tip once so...guilty until proven innocent.

[Lurker]

Everybody's got one.   This guy might have two...

 

https://buffalonews.com/2018/07/22/letter-bills-running-back-is-too-much-trouble/

 

[JaCrispy]

2 hours ago, Bill_with_it said:

This thread has turned into a 5 star **it show.

Innocent until proven guilty.

You dont know what you dont know. You know?

While I agree, you have to admit that his negative reputation precedes him, so you can’t really fault people for having doubts in their mind.

[purple haze]

I wonder if the friend who posted the original Instagram will be found to have a hand in this?

[Bill_with_it]

1 hour ago, JaCrispy said:

While I agree, you have to admit that his negative reputation precedes him, so you can’t really fault people for having doubts in their mind.

Everyone has a right to an opinion and to voice, however, an opinion isnt a fact until its supported by evidence. If hes guilty he deserves punishment, however, an allegation doesnt merit trashing the guy until hes flund guilty. 

[Rocky Landing]

4 hours ago, Bill_with_it said:

This thread has turned into a 5 star **it show.

Innocent until proven guilty.

You dont know what you dont know. You know?

I don't know why anyone should be offended by this thread. There's plenty to discus, here, and there is no reason not to have an opinion, or to indulge in conjecture. I can go ahead and say, "I think he probably orchestrated it, and maybe it went a little awry on him when his goon went too far," (which, honestly, I think is probably the most likely scenario), and you can go ahead and disagree with me. "Innocent until proven guilty" is the legal philosophy under which our legal system is based. We, as fans, have no such burden, because, at the end of the day, our opinions are meaningless.

5 minutes ago, Bill_with_it said:

Everyone has a right to an opinion and to voice, however, an opinion isnt a fact until its supported by evidence. If hes guilty he deserves punishment, however, an allegation doesnt merit trashing the guy until hes flund guilty. 

I'm going to say that NO ONE is trashing the guy solely based on the allegation. They're trashing the guy (or defending him, as the case may be) based on their opinion of his character gleaned from what we've read, and interpreted from what the media has reported on him over the years.

 

And, if people are voicing their opinions as if they're "facts," that's really just a matter of semantics. Some people's rhetorical devices are less nuanced than others.

[Doc]

2 hours ago, JaCrispy said:

While I agree, you have to admit that his negative reputation precedes him, so you can’t really fault people for having doubts in their mind.

 

Nothing he's ever before was criminal in nature.  Much less a felony, like this would be. 

[26CornerBlitz]

36 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said:

I don't know why anyone should be offended by this thread. There's plenty to discus, here, and there is no reason not to have an opinion, or to indulge in conjecture. I can go ahead and say, "I think he probably orchestrated it, and maybe it went a little awry on him when his goon went too far," (which, honestly, I think is probably the most likely scenario), and you can go ahead and disagree with me. "Innocent until proven guilty" is the legal philosophy under which our legal system is based. We, as fans, have no such burden, because, at the end of the day, our opinions are meaningless.

I'm going to say that NO ONE is trashing the guy solely based on the allegation. They're trashing the guy (or defending him, as the case may be) based on their opinion of his character gleaned from what we've read, and interpreted from what the media has reported on him over the years.

 

And, if people are voicing their opinions as if they're "facts," that's really just a matter of semantics. Some people's rhetorical devices are less nuanced than others.

 

Most likely scenario based on what?

[Doc]

3 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

Most likely scenario based on what?

 

Based on the fact that he once left a bad tip.

[Bill_with_it]

49 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said:

I don't know why anyone should be offended by this thread. There's plenty to discus, here, and there is no reason not to have an opinion, or to indulge in conjecture. I can go ahead and say, "I think he probably orchestrated it, and maybe it went a little awry on him when his goon went too far," (which, honestly, I think is probably the most likely scenario), and you can go ahead and disagree with me. "Innocent until proven guilty" is the legal philosophy under which our legal system is based. We, as fans, have no such burden, because, at the end of the day, our opinions are meaningless.

I'm going to say that NO ONE is trashing the guy solely based on the allegation. They're trashing the guy (or defending him, as the case may be) based on their opinion of his character gleaned from what we've read, and interpreted from what the media has reported on him over the years.

 

And, if people are voicing their opinions as if they're "facts," that's really just a matter of semantics. Some people's rhetorical devices are less nuanced than others.

Our legal system. Put yourself in his situation. Be 100% innocent for this scenario. Have the same past as Mccoy and read what you just typed was your most likely scenario based on speculation. Its no more likely than aliens done it. You and I both know that eveyone doesn't interpret everything the same and the media misrepresents often times.  

[JaCrispy]

1 hour ago, Bill_with_it said:

Everyone has a right to an opinion and to voice, however, an opinion isnt a fact until its supported by evidence. If hes guilty he deserves punishment, however, an allegation doesnt merit trashing the guy until hes flund guilty. 

Agreed

[3rdand12]

23 hours ago, Uncle Joe said:

 

Only The Shadow knows.

cue the music

 who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men

 

 

 heck you must be older than I Uncle Joe ! But not as old as our dearly beloved Chandler #81  ha ha

2 hours ago, purple haze said:

I wonder if the friend who posted the original Instagram will be found to have a hand in this?

the ole double reverse from a stacked I formation ?

[Uncle Joe]

1 hour ago, 3rdand12 said:

cue the music

 who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men

 heck you must be older than I Uncle Joe !

But not as old as our dearly beloved Chandler #81  ha ha

 

No, I am not that old but my dearly beloved Uncle Joe was from that era.
My Dad who is still with us still uses that phrase from time to time.

 

[purple haze]

3 hours ago, 3rdand12 said:

cue the music

 who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men

 

 

 heck you must be older than I Uncle Joe ! But not as old as our dearly beloved Chandler #81  ha ha

the ole double reverse from a stacked I formation ?

So far she is the one person who came out with a deluge of information.  Info that has been backtracked on, disputed, etc.  add in the AWOL, teenaged son on the night of the robbery, Shady's call to cops a year ago and his expressed belief the ex-girlfriend would try to drag his name through the mud, a neighbors call that people were starting trouble at the house with Shady's mother,  it is all very strange.

 

Hey, it could be that Shady ordered the job, but I'm just playing amateur detective.  This seems like a situation that will be wind up being twisted up in unforeseen ways.

[Lfod]

10 minutes ago, purple haze said:

So far she is the one person who came out with a deluge of information.  Info that has been backtracked on, disputed, etc.  add in the AWOL, teenaged son on the night of the robbery, Shady's call to cops a year ago and his expressed belief the ex-girlfriend would try to drag his name through the mud, a neighbors call that people were starting trouble at the house with Shady's mother,  it is all very strange.

 

Hey, it could be that Shady ordered the job, but I'm just playing amateur detective.  This seems like a situation that will be wind up being twisted up in unforeseen ways.

I don't think Shady is that dumb. He was exploring legal avenues of eviction. He doesn't need the jewelry. Once it's stolen it's just evidence and useless. Why would he pay a guy to break into his own house to beat a girl up and steal jewelry? 

 

I don't think it's that easy to set that up. You leave a trail. Plus you have to count on the guy who did it never getting caught or talking. Then throwing in the jewelry is just more stupid.

 

I think if Shady hated her that much it would have gone all the way. Just my opinion.

 

[Rocky Landing]

9 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Most likely scenario based on what?

All right, I stepped in it. 

Based on very little. Based on what little I know of the situation. My point is, whatever my speculation is, it is just that. Pure, meaningless speculation, and nobody should be offended that I arrived at a suspicion that may very well (hopefully) be wrong. This forum ain't a court of law.

Otherwise, why bother having this discussion for 179 pages?

[transplantbillsfan]

14 hours ago, Bill_with_it said:

This thread has turned into a 5 star **it show.

Innocent until proven guilty.

You dont know what you dont know. You know?

 

Turned into??? It's been one for over a week now. It reached 100 pages of nonsense in like its first 3 days of existence.

[purple haze]

4 hours ago, Lfod said:

I don't think Shady is that dumb. He was exploring legal avenues of eviction. He doesn't need the jewelry. Once it's stolen it's just evidence and useless. Why would he pay a guy to break into his own house to beat a girl up and steal jewelry? 

 

I don't think it's that easy to set that up. You leave a trail. Plus you have to count on the guy who did it never getting caught or talking. Then throwing in the jewelry is just more stupid.

 

I think if Shady hated her that much it would have gone all the way. Just my opinion.

 

All logical points.  But many crimes defy logic and we have to account for the possibility that emotion and frustration got the best of him.  He could have sent the guy, but the guy went farther than he was supposed to during the "robbery".  

 

My my gut is telling me this isn't Shady though.  My mind keeps coming back to the friend with the Instagram post.

[transplantbillsfan]

I'm going to put this bluntly why I don't think Shady's guilty... his character is like the equivalent of a self-involved player, in my opinion... he doesn't always do everything that's morally good, but he's not malevolent or out for blood in some well-schemed plan as this would have to be.

 

That whole nightclub incident a few years ago would have appeared to be an incident that took place as a result of that whole personality. This one involved malevolence and planning and I just don't think that's what Shady is.

 

Shady's the guy who throws a huge orgy party, not the guy who stalks his ex-girlfriend going to an orgy party and goes in to beat the crap out of her and the guy she's bangin.

 

Just my opinion.

[Trogdor]

5 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

That whole nightclub incident a few years ago would have appeared to be an incident that took place as a result of that whole personality. This one involved malevolence and planning and I just don't think that's what Shady is.

 

In all fairness, I'm not sure anything can be drawn from that incident because it's just as likely that the off duty cops started the fight. It's easy to look like a victim after getting into a fight with professional athletes lol. 

[Doc]

25 minutes ago, Trogdor said:

In all fairness, I'm not sure anything can be drawn from that incident because it's just as likely that the off duty cops started the fight. It's easy to look like a victim after getting into a fight with professional athletes lol. 

 

They investigated and they determined the cops did start the fight.  That's why Shady never got charged, fined or suspended, or even hit with a civil suit.

[Trogdor]

22 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

They investigated and they determined the cops did start the fight.  That's why Shady never got charged, fined or suspended, or even hit with a civil suit.

 

I thought it was that they couldn't determine who started it and that the cops did sue. It's been a while though. 

[aristocrat]

4 minutes ago, Trogdor said:

 

I thought it was that they couldn't determine who started it and that the cops did sue. It's been a while though. 

 

it came out that the cops were driving drunk, going through dui checkpoints without getting tested and then fighting. it was not a good look and no wonder it got squashed.

[Doc]

2 hours ago, Trogdor said:

I thought it was that they couldn't determine who started it and that the cops did sue. It's been a while though. 

 

No, they determined the cop started it and that’s why the matter was dropped.  Plus the other stuff.