@YardsPerPass interview on WGR - why he’s talked himself into Josh Allen

[YoloinOhio]

Good interview with John Ramsey who runs the Yards Per Pass twitter account (breaks down Bills games on Twitter) ... he posted this thread where he breaks down GIFs a few weeks ago, good read if you didn’t see it (click on YPP tweet and it will bring up the thread)

 

Audio:

https://d3efjls8gnbg8i.cloudfront.net/1642018/122736291.mp3?rhihttphost=wgr550.hosted.cx

[Wayne Arnold]

"HE'S JURST MAKING EXCURSES!" and what not.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Everyone can talk themselves into anything. I'll just rather keep my initial opinion and hope I'm wrong. 

[RPbillsfan]

1 minute ago, TheTruthHurts said:

Everyone can talk themselves into anything. I'll just rather keep my initial opinion and hope I'm wrong. 

What was your initial option?

 

I'd be interested to see

[Wayne Arnold]

2 minutes ago, RPbillsfan said:

What was your initial option?

 

I'd be interested to see

 

Let me guess.

 

"Low completion percentage" aka "poor accuracy"

 

"Didn't dominate at a mid-major like Roethlisberger did in 2003"

 

"Struggled against power conference programs"

[Soda Popinski]

My initial reaction was while Allen had the most upside he had the most bust potential. And Rosen had the lowest floor and was the most pro ready right now.   

 

Forget Rosen, he's not a Bill.  I'm hoping Daboll can develop Allen into our answer for the next 15 years. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

2 minutes ago, RPbillsfan said:

What was your initial option?

 

I'd be interested to see

Not sure if he processes fast enough. Everything seems late. People blame it on other factors, but I don't like doing that. 

 

 

[US Egg]

Also coming up this week to talk Bills football on WGR:

 

Joe Blow from "IHaveaFootballWebsite.com" , Josh Kidding of "AskMeAnythingNFL.com"  and Tony Bagadonuts of "PigskinBreakfast.com". 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

8 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

Let me guess.

 

"Low completion percentage" aka "poor accuracy"

 

"Didn't dominate at a mid-major like Roethlisberger did in 2003"

 

"Struggled against power conference programs"

None of the above. I don't care much about his completion % or his numbers vs top teams. All pretty meaningless. 

Edited May 15, 2018 by TheTruthHurts

[Royale with Cheese]

17 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

"HE'S JURST MAKING EXCURSES!" and what not.

 

Jurst?  What language to you speaketh Sir Wayne?

[HappyDays]

3 minutes ago, TheTruthHurts said:

Not sure if he processes fast enough. Everything seems late. People blame it on other factors, but I don't like doing that. 

 

 

 

It is definitely a concern. I went through this thread last night and it shows the bad side of Allen:

 

 

Anyone who wants to make a full evaluation of him needs to look at everything, the good and the bad. Obviously that goes for any QB we would have drafted.

[Wayne Arnold]

15 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

It is definitely a concern. I went through this thread last night and it shows the bad side of Allen:

 

 

Anyone who wants to make a full evaluation of him needs to look at everything, the good and the bad. Obviously that goes for any QB we would have drafted.

 

Is this supposed to be an example of that? Because all I see is his OLine getting annihilated and him having to run for his life.

[HappyDays]

Just now, Wayne Arnold said:

 

Is this supposed to be an example of that? Because all I see is his OLine getting annihilated and him having to run for his life.

 

Open the tweet, it's the start of a much longer thread of other Josh Allen film. It starts out with a lot of the bad and eventually gets to the really good. Watching this film I came away more convinced that he needs to sit most of this year. A Peterman-esque 5 interception game is definitely possible if he goes in too early.

[The Now Moment]

21 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

It is definitely a concern. I went through this thread last night and it shows the bad side of Allen:

 

 

Anyone who wants to make a full evaluation of him needs to look at everything, the good and the bad. Obviously that goes for any QB we would have drafted.

He was the only one on the team that could make a play.  He made huge plays all year by not throwing it away and throwing it down the field.  The offensive line was horrid.

[LeGOATski]

33 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Jurst?  What language to you speaketh Sir Wayne?

He speaketh in the tongue of the rabblers

12 minutes ago, Buffalo30 said:

He was the only one on the team that could make a play.  He made huge plays all year by not throwing it away and throwing it down the field.  The offensive line was horrid.

Yeah, that was definitely an issue. He was often trying to do too much.

[The Now Moment]

3 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

Yeah, that was definitely an issue. He was often trying to do too much.

I honestly believe that once he's not relied on to be the entire offense, he will clean up some of those "bad" plays that he tried to make something out of nothing.  He may need some time to sit, we will see what he does in camp but it is hard to blame him for what he tried to do to carry that horrible team on his back.

[jr1]

have him be a game manager for 2 years then unleash him

[HappyDays]

14 minutes ago, Buffalo30 said:

He was the only one on the team that could make a play.  He made huge plays all year by not throwing it away and throwing it down the field.  The offensive line was horrid.

 

Sure, and that can be developed. He needs to learn when taking a sack or throwing the ball away is better than playing hero ball. I'm like YPP, I watched a lot of film and convinced myself he can be great. The warts are still there though. I think his development will go a lot better if he's given some time in the film room and working on his mechanics before he sees the field.

[The Now Moment]

4 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Sure, and that can be developed. He needs to learn when taking a sack or throwing the ball away is better than playing hero ball. I'm like YPP, I watched a lot of film and convinced myself he can be great. The warts are still there though. I think his development will go a lot better if he's given some time in the film room and working on his mechanics before he sees the field.

I honestly believe he made those plays because he knew the team was horrible around him.  Once he gets around more talent that doesn't need him to do everything on offense, he will limit those types of plays.  He won't be constantly leaned on to make something out of nothing all the time.  

 

 

[eball]

50 minutes ago, Ifartalot said:

Also coming up this week to talk Bills football on WGR:

 

Joe Blow from "IHaveaFootballWebsite.com" , Josh Kidding of "AskMeAnythingNFL.com"  and Tony Bagadonuts of "PigskinBreakfast.com". 

 

Have you been to pigskinbreakfast.com?  Amazing site.

[White Linen]

54 minutes ago, Soda Popinski said:

My initial reaction was while Allen had the most upside he had the most bust potential. And Rosen had the lowest floor and was the most pro ready right now.   

 

Forget Rosen, he's not a Bill.  I'm hoping Daboll can develop Allen into our answer for the next 15 years. 

 

Yeah the QB the Browns drafted has no risk written all over him.  

 

Rosen isn't the most pro ready - stop believing what people say.    

 

"most bust potential" - what a load of garbage

31 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Open the tweet, it's the start of a much longer thread of other Josh Allen film. It starts out with a lot of the bad and eventually gets to the really good. Watching this film I came away more convinced that he needs to sit most of this year. A Peterman-esque 5 interception game is definitely possible if he goes in too early.

 

You've concluded he needs to sit most of the year, huh?  

 

So when do you think he'll be ready?  Is it one game past the half way point?

 

What do you need to see from him in practice to allow him to play in a game?

[Soda Popinski]

9 minutes ago, White Linen said:

 

Yeah the QB the Browns drafted has no risk written all over him.  

 

Rosen isn't the most pro ready - stop believing what people say.    

 

"most bust potential" - what a load of garbage

 

You've concluded he needs to sit most of the year, huh?  

 

So when do you think he'll be ready?  Is it one game past the half way point?

 

What do you need to see from him in practice to allow him to play in a game?

That was actually my opinion, not what people said.  I thought he was more pro ready than Mayfield.   So not gonna apologize for it.   But i also said forget Rosen he's not a Bill.  I have been on board with Allen since we took him.  But i'm not going to go back and pretend i didn't have other opinions before the draft.  

[billsfan1959]

32 minutes ago, TheTruthHurts said:

Not sure if he processes fast enough. Everything seems late. People blame it on other factors, but I don't like doing that. 

 

 

I watched every game of his and I really didn't come away with the feeling that he struggled to read the defense or progress through his reads. Although, I did find it much more difficult to analyze his play as opposed to, say, Rosen. His plays were designed to go downfield much more than Rosen, the offensive line was awful (even for the division level they were at), and his offensive skill players were not much better, if at all. I think he had very little trust in his offensive line, for good reason, and it affected his processing and decision making the same as any other QB in the same situation. Even in those instances when it looked like there wasn't enough pressure to cause him to hurry his throws, not set up properly, or to move from the pocket - it was hard to determine if that was due to his lack of proficiency at processing / poor mechanics, or just plain lack of trust in his line from experience. I guess that is why there is such a diversity of opinions about him.

 

I really am looking forward to seeing how he progresses. Ideally, I would like for him to have the opportunity sit for a while; however, I also don't believe he is as much of a project as some believe. Just my opinion. Let's hope for the best.

[HappyDays]

21 minutes ago, White Linen said:

You've concluded he needs to sit most of the year, huh?  

 

So when do you think he'll be ready?  Is it one game past the half way point?

 

What do you need to see from him in practice to allow him to play in a game?

 

I see this is a sensitive subject for you. I'm not going to ignore what I see on the tape. I don't want Allen starting until proper muscle memory is ingrained. I won't be in his practices or film room so I won't be able to make that decision. The way the Bills are talking about him I think they value his white board skills more than his mechanics. In other words they'll give him the starting job if and when he shows that he grasps the playbook, then they'll let him figure out the other stuff on the job. I don't agree with that philosophy but maybe it will work. When Beane says Allen isn't raw I think he means that Allen comes from a pro style offense and can run one immediately.

[US Egg]

27 minutes ago, eball said:

 

Have you been to pigskinbreakfast.com?  Amazing site.

No, but after I thought I had made it up, I wondered maybe that be a real website.

[White Linen]

10 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

I see this is a sensitive subject for you. I'm not going to ignore what I see on the tape. I don't want Allen starting until proper muscle memory is ingrained. I won't be in his practices or film room so I won't be able to make that decision. The way the Bills are talking about him I think they value his white board skills more than his mechanics. In other words they'll give him the starting job if and when he shows that he grasps the playbook, then they'll let him figure out the other stuff on the job. I don't agree with that philosophy but maybe it will work. When Beane says Allen isn't raw I think he means that Allen comes from a pro style offense and can run one immediately.

 

It's not a sensitive subject it's aggravating.   I'm sure you've heard the adage - film doesn't lie? 

 

Yes it does.

[Tatonka68]

JOSH ALLEN IS THE QB FOR BUFFALO BILLS. CAN YOU LET HIM PLAY IN A FREAKING PRESEASON GAME BEFORE THE START THIS CRAP. JOSH ROSEN IS A SKINNY LITTLE TENNIS PLAYER PRETENDING TO BE A QB. 

[Kwai San]

1 hour ago, Tatonka68 said:

JOSH ALLEN IS THE QB FOR BUFFALO BILLS. CAN YOU LET HIM PLAY IN A FREAKING PRESEASON GAME BEFORE THE START THIS CRAP. JOSH ROSEN IS A SKINNY LITTLE TENNIS PLAYER PRETENDING TO BE A QB. 

 

Thanks for the LAUGH!

[Royale with Cheese]

1 hour ago, Tatonka68 said:

JOSH ALLEN IS THE QB FOR BUFFALO BILLS. CAN YOU LET HIM PLAY IN A FREAKING PRESEASON GAME BEFORE THE START THIS CRAP. JOSH ROSEN IS A SKINNY LITTLE TENNIS PLAYER PRETENDING TO BE A QB. 

 

So you're saying, we should not talk about Josh Allen until he plays a preseason game?

[PIZ]

I'm kind of shocked how bad his OL was.  Hope Buffalo can come up with something better.

[Royale with Cheese]

4 minutes ago, PIZ said:

I'm kind of shocked how bad his OL was.  Hope Buffalo can come up with something better.

 

One thing that did make me feel better is when Wyoming lost to a 1-10 team when Allen was out.  That's how bad they were.....

[BB@Shooter]

2 hours ago, TheTruthHurts said:

Not sure if he processes fast enough. Everything seems late. People blame it on other factors, but I don't like doing that. 

 

 

 

Just curious as to where you are getting your info on Allen about him not processing the game fast enough?  What makes you say everything seems late? If you knew anything about watching him in person you would know he couldnt lead his receivers, they couldn't get seperation. So he had to be damn accurate on ball placement or it would be an interception.  In 2017 he was a lot more careful with the ball because he knew the team he had under him couldn't score much. So he had limited series too put points on the board. If you understood the dynamics of what coach Bohl runs his offense under, then maybe you could understand the restrictions put on Allen. Allen is better than he looks on video clips. You have to know and have a feel for what dynamics he was working with. Not just repeat something you heard or read. I have seen over 20 NFL quarterbacks play in person while they were in college.. So I feel I have a little understanding of what it might take to be an NFL qb, or at least a qualified opinion.

 

[GoBills808]

2 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

I see this is a sensitive subject for you. I'm not going to ignore what I see on the tape. I don't want Allen starting until proper muscle memory is ingrained. I won't be in his practices or film room so I won't be able to make that decision. The way the Bills are talking about him I think they value his white board skills more than his mechanics. In other words they'll give him the starting job if and when he shows that he grasps the playbook, then they'll let him figure out the other stuff on the job. I don't agree with that philosophy but maybe it will work. When Beane says Allen isn't raw I think he means that Allen comes from a pro style offense and can run one immediately.

I don't know if you really think this or you just thought it would be a good to type it out for some reason...

[Hapless Bills Fan]

3 hours ago, Buffalo30 said:

He was the only one on the team that could make a play.  He made huge plays all year by not throwing it away and throwing it down the field.  The offensive line was horrid.

 

What offensive line?  There was an offensive line in that clip?  That thought is offensive.

[Wayne Arnold]

4 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

Open the tweet, it's the start of a much longer thread of other Josh Allen film. It starts out with a lot of the bad and eventually gets to the really good. Watching this film I came away more convinced that he needs to sit most of this year. A Peterman-esque 5 interception game is definitely possible if he goes in too early.

 

Gotcha. I'm definitely a proponent of Allen redshirting the 2018 season (standing and watching).

 

Unfortunately, we all know the reality of how things go and the amount of pressure the public can put on decision-makers.

[SouthNYfan]

3 hours ago, billsfan1959 said:

I watched every game of his and I really didn't come away with the feeling that he struggled to read the defense or progress through his reads. Although, I did find it much more difficult to analyze his play as opposed to, say, Rosen. His plays were designed to go downfield much more than Rosen, the offensive line was awful (even for the division level they were at), and his offensive skill players were not much better, if at all. I think he had very little trust in his offensive line, for good reason, and it affected his processing and decision making the same as any other QB in the same situation. Even in those instances when it looked like there wasn't enough pressure to cause him to hurry his throws, not set up properly, or to move from the pocket - it was hard to determine if that was due to his lack of proficiency at processing / poor mechanics, or just plain lack of trust in his line from experience. I guess that is why there is such a diversity of opinions about him.

 

I really am looking forward to seeing how he progresses. Ideally, I would like for him to have the opportunity sit for a while; however, I also don't believe he is as much of a project as some believe. Just my opinion. Let's hope for the best.

 

His coach said he actually ran a lot of pro concepts, and gave Allen a lot of control at the line to read defenses and call audibles himself.

I think he processes things very well.

I'm looking forward to him as well.

[Trogdor]

4 hours ago, Buffalo30 said:

He was the only one on the team that could make a play.  He made huge plays all year by not throwing it away and throwing it down the field.  The offensive line was horrid.

His TDs and INTs were up a lot more when he had pretty good players around him the year before. Not throwing it away is a really bad trait to carry over from college and gets a lot of QBs hurt. I just hope he develops, but I think there is a very real possibility that he never starts in the NFL if he can't improve his short throws. Short and intermediate throws are so important at the NFL level.  I'm hoping to be pleasantly surprised in a year or so. 

[Dr. Who]

7 minutes ago, Trogdor said:

I think there is a very real possibility that he never starts in the NFL if he can't improve his short throws. Short and intermediate throws are so important at the NFL level.  I'm hoping to be pleasantly surprised in a year or so. 

He will eventually start simply on the basis of being the seventh pick overall in the draft.  Hyperbole or troll talk, I don't know which.

[Lfod]

 The Bills invested in Josh Allen and reputations depend on his success. That is good enough for me. Ride or Die Beane and we will see soon enough what one it will be. I myself could only be dissapointed if any QB selected after Josh Allen turns out to be the far superior QB. 

 

I'm not trying to talk myself into anything. I'm hopeful and skeptical. I want to be jumping out of my chair roaring while Josh Allen drives the ball down field. I want to be high fiving my fellow Bills fans about Allen. 

 

Those are my expectations and if Josh Allen isn't the guy then find some one who is but since the draft capital was spent on him those are my expectations. He will have to be really impressive or absolutely heads should roll. 

 

I will be supportive. I'll be patient. I'll root for Allen if he struggles. At some point if I'm not getting what I want then I won't be that guy any more. 

Edited May 15, 2018 by Lfod

[Soda Popinski]

57 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

Gotcha. I'm definitely a proponent of Allen redshirting the 2018 season (standing and watching).

 

Unfortunately, we all know the reality of how things go and the amount of pressure the public can put on decision-makers.

If he's ready he's ready, and right now I do not think he will be come September.  But 8-10 games in, maybe.  Goff wasn't ready, and he waited, but they also got rid of terrible OC/HC situation and brought in a QB guy to right that ship. I think we're starting with the right OC in Daboll.   So after 8 games Allen may very well be ready to get his feet wet.  

 

I don't care if it takes 16 games, or 1 game.  When Allen is ready to play, play him.