Rodak on Sirius Opening Drive 5/14

[stevewin]

FWIW - just the messenger...

 

Sirius Opening Drive with Ross Tucker and Bob Papa

 

- Why was Josh Allen the guy

Arm strength arm talent attracted them.  Granted not all throws are going to be 70 yds, but in practice on Fri saw snap and velocity even on shorter throws.  Size hold up in tougher weather – they said they would have drafted him even if in a dome but large hands and size is another factor that attracted them.  Came up through a smaller school and Wyoming was only school with offer – Beane has said he likes players who don’t have sense of entitlement, that feel they deserve to be starter and deserve to be great, but rather they want to earn it.   Have been players with strong arms before, smaller school prospects that haven’t worked out before – have to wait and see and see if this is a good pick for the Bills.

 

- Allen playing time plan

Going to be down towards the bottom in terms as immediate expectations.  Beane has said Allen starting as third QB.  Clearly a let’s take it slowly situation.   They brought in McCarron and believe he showed something in Cinn, hope they can turn it into something where he starts for maybe half a season or a whole season.  They don’t want to rule out Peterman either which may sound crazy based on how he played last year, but Sean McD loves Peterman – is very high on him – remains to be seen if justified but would not take him out of equation if he happens to have good TC and preseason.  Right now Allen is far behind and like he did in college is going to have to earn his way up  and prove himself to be starter.  Probably unlikely starts day 1 – see how things unfold during the first half of the season and if we will see Allen in Nov/Dec.

 

- McD can’t love Peterman too much if they made all the deals to move up to be in position to get Allen

Will say Beane has always been more vocal about saying they need a franchise QB.  Have been joint PCs where McD and Beane are sitting there and Beane talking about how it’s a job for GM to find franchise QB and McD wasn’t at the same level of we need to go out and find a QB – get sense that Beane was much higher on moving up to get QB than McD was

 

- Any fallout in Buffalo  from tweets

Would say it was a story for a day or two but fans kind of brushed it off as he was in HS and made a mistake – Beane’s attitude as well.  Lorax did come out and say Allen might have to answer to it to  team mates – did think he deserved a second chance but did think some players might have questions about the racial aspects of some of the tweets.  Next week vets and rookies will be together – Allen may address it then but after that it should no longer be an issue

 

- Bills taken biggest step back of any team – losing Tyrod, OL etc – is it a fair statement

Yes – certainly think they are up there – I’ve had same opinion and taken a lot of flack for it here.  Think take a step back at QB without Tyrod – wrote piece a couple months ago that AJ/Peterman (before Allen) was worst QB duo in NFL.   Add in WR situation, don’t know what getting with Benjamin, Zay offseason issues and issues on field last year, and after that they have nothing.  The entire passing game a question mark.  McCoy 30 with lot of mileage.  Lot of question marks on offense.  Agree they took a step back.  Think they did make the right choice with Tyrod, and trading up to get QB, but was Allen vs Rosen the right choice,  how long will it take for offense to come together and team to get back on track – right now don’t think they’re a playoff team

 

- OL was a strength now looks like a weakness

Agree.  May be another reason why they wait to put Allen in there in case OL is shaky.  Left tackle is OK with Dawkins – but questions down the line.  Brought in other players – but right now all three middle spots up for grabs.  Right now OL in rough shape

 

- (Tucker) Could argue they have worst QB, OL, and WR groups in NFL right now – at least in discussion.  Is defense going to be good enough  to overcome

Depends what they get out of Star – questions if believe what PFF says, Murphy -  had an ACL and might be a rusher – didn’t get much out of that position last year between Hughes/Lawson in terms of sacks and would expect Murphy to take over Lawson’s spot (could be surprise cut or trade) – Vontae Davis was hurt last year.  Questions marks with those three guys they brought in to bolster defense – right now probably not good enough to overcome deficiencies in offense,  but have enough pieces in place where they could be better than last year.  At some points last year defense was downright bad

 

- Should be a fascinating journey this season as far as the Bills are concerned with the QB situation and all of the areas that have to get plugged up – pre Tom Brady retirement

Yeah should be interesting but think we’re probably another year or two away from any changing of the guard in the AFC East.  We’ll have to see how it unfolds in the next couple years

 

Post

Papa to Tucker – that was a strong statement about QB, WR, OL all among worst situations

Tucker – definitely in discussion for worst for all three position groups.  OL stinks now with Incognito and Wood gone,  though that’s not their fault – for QB making move to young guy, WR been bad for a while

 

 

 

[Dr. Who]

12 minutes ago, stevewin said:

Beane has said he likes players who don’t have sense of entitlement, that feel they deserve to be starter and deserve to be great, but rather they want to earn it. 

Josh Rosen was probably off their board.

[HappyDays]

Thanks for posting. I don't know how much I should trust inside info that comes from Rodak, but if true it's pretty interesting that McDermott likes Peterman. He might be more in the conversation for starter than a lot of people think. I don't know what kind of offense we plan on building but I think McCarron/Peterman would run a very different offense from what Allen would run. So we might get a hint as to who the planned starter is depending on the offense we see in training camp and preseason.

[Logic]

I expect a big improvement on defense and a regression on offense this year. It's not unreasonable, in my opinion, to suggest that the Bills could be a bottom 3 offense in 2018.

My only hope -- and since Beane is a smart dude, I have faith this will happen -- is that the entire NEXT offseason is about fixing the offense. They really built up the defense this year. Added a space eating DT, a rookie DT that should be a long time contributor, an edge rusher, got their "Keuchly", possibly improved the cornerback room and depth all around. So again, with $90 million in cap space and a full complement of draft pics next offseason, I hope expect that they draft and sign a ton of offensive help at OL, WR, and a big one: Finding Shady's true successor(s) since he will be 31 years old.

I won't like, I have a lingering fear that I just can't shake: That McDermott will always field a quality defense year in and year out, but will consistently have below average offenses. At the very least, looking at the WR position over the years in Carolina, and even in Buffalo in the short time Beane/McDermott have been here, does not fill me with confidence.

One more thing: If Daboll and Allen are the real deal, then all bets are off in terms of poor offensive production over the long term.

[Soda Popinski]

I remember how bad the offense was last year, and it's hard to imagine it regressing at all, it could be worse, but not much it was terrible.    If McCarron and Daboll can get anything going, we'll be better.   The Oline is worse, no doubt about that.   That will have the biggest negative effect. 

[Dr. Who]

2 minutes ago, Logic said:

I won't like, I have a lingering fear that I just can't shake: That McDermott will always field a quality defense year in and year out, but will consistently have below average offenses. At the very least, looking at the WR position over the years in Carolina, and even in Buffalo in the short time Beane/McDermott have been here, does not fill me with confidence.

One more thing: If Daboll and Allen are the real deal, then all bets are off in terms of poor offensive production over the long term.

I do think McDermott has that inclination, but I suspect Beane will be proactive to counterbalance it.  I don't think Beane will shortshrift the offense.  As you surmise, next offseason will clarify if this is true or not.  Good point about Daboll and Allen.

[billieve420]

The lack of talent on both the O-line and WR groups make me hesitant to throw out Allen there on opening day. He would have to be heads and shoulders over the other 2 for me to even consider it if I was McDermott. Nothing worse you can do to a rookie to stunt his development that have him try to play with a weak team around him and try to carry the team on his shoulders.

[Dr. Who]

1 minute ago, billieve420 said:

The lack of talent on both the O-line and WR groups make me hesitant to throw out Allen there on opening day. He would have to be heads and shoulders over the other 2 for me to even consider it if I was McDermott. Nothing worse you can do to a rookie to stunt his development that have him try to play with a weak team around him and try to carry the team on his shoulders.

Week 5 at the earliest.  If the oline is dreadful, I'd consider a redshirt year.

[Soda Popinski]

Just now, Dr. Who said:

Week 5 at the earliest.  If the oline is dreadful, I'd consider a redshirt year.

Really hoping we sign some cap casualty in preseason.  

[2003Contenders]

15 minutes ago, billieve420 said:

The lack of talent on both the O-line and WR groups make me hesitant to throw out Allen there on opening day. He would have to be heads and shoulders over the other 2 for me to even consider it if I was McDermott. Nothing worse you can do to a rookie to stunt his development that have him try to play with a weak team around him and try to carry the team on his shoulders.

I hear ya. One thing that could be possible is to take a page out of what the Colts did back in 1998 with Peyton Manning (and the Steelers to a lesser extent with Big Ben in 2004). That would be to load up the offense with mass-protect blocking schemes, utilizing mostly a base 2-TE offense with heavy reliance on the running game and play-action. This kept Manning mostly upright and clean in the pocket, even though it limited his options. He struggled as a rookie, tossing nearly 30 INTs, but never lost his confidence or composure.

[thenorthremembers]

52 minutes ago, stevewin said:

Post

Papa to Tucker – that was a strong statement about QB, WR, OL all among worst situations

Tucker – definitely in discussion for worst for all three position groups.  OL stinks now with Incognito and Wood gone,  though that’s not their fault – for QB making move to young guy, WR been bad for a while

 

 

 

Sometime before the 2016 season Bill Polian called the Offensive Line here old and slow, he was absolutely hammered for it.   Two years later, Glenn is gone because of injury and rumors he got lazy after his contract.  Wood is gone because of injury, Incognito is gone because "his body couldnt take it anymore, Miller cant win a starting job and I doubt anyone here is going to go to bat and say very much positive about Mills.

 

Obviously the Wood injury is a freak type of thing, but I don't think Polian's assessment was that far off back then.   

[SoCal Deek]

It seems like it's been years since the Bills had a young, drop-back, pocket passer under center. I'm dying to see if they can function with AJ at QB in 2018.  Just get the ball out quick and on target.

[John from Riverside]

I personally am hoping that AJM shows up and shows decent QB play....allowing Allen to hold a clipboard for a while and work out his fundamental issues.

 

Just because he doesnt start immediately does not make him the wrong pick.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

53 minutes ago, Logic said:

I expect a big improvement on defense and a regression on offense this year. It's not unreasonable, in my opinion, to suggest that the Bills could be a bottom 3 offense in 2018.

My only hope -- and since Beane is a smart dude, I have faith this will happen -- is that the entire NEXT offseason is about fixing the offense. They really built up the defense this year. Added a space eating DT, a rookie DT that should be a long time contributor, an edge rusher, got their "Keuchly", possibly improved the cornerback room and depth all around. So again, with $90 million in cap space and a full complement of draft pics next offseason, I hope expect that they draft and sign a ton of offensive help at OL, WR, and a big one: Finding Shady's true successor(s) since he will be 31 years old.

I won't like, I have a lingering fear that I just can't shake: That McDermott will always field a quality defense year in and year out, but will consistently have below average offenses. At the very least, looking at the WR position over the years in Carolina, and even in Buffalo in the short time Beane/McDermott have been here, does not fill me with confidence.

One more thing: If Daboll and Allen are the real deal, then all bets are off in terms of poor offensive production over the long term.

 

Regression on O?  How much worse could we get? 22nd in points and 29th in yards...  3 points in our first playoff game in like 20 years.  Hopefully Daboll can come up with something better than run-run-pass-punt.

[ngbills]

8 minutes ago, dneveu said:

 

Regression on O?  How much worse could we get? 22nd in points and 29th in yards...  3 points in our first playoff game in like 20 years.  Hopefully Daboll can come up with something better than run-run-pass-punt.

Plenty of room to go down from 22nd. 

[Canadian Bills Fan]

I don't trust anything coming from a man who wears shorts and a blazer jacket to training camp

[teef]

i love ross tucker and listen to the show on the regular, but he can be waaaay off sometimes.  i specifically remember him saying again and again how terrible the cowboys were going to be a couple of years ago, (as in they could be the worst in the nft with 3 wins) and i think they ended up winning 13 games.  this thing will take time.

[John from Riverside]

6 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

The Bills offense was basically be some what aggressive to start the game, get a lead and then go ultra conservative and sit on the lead while hoping the defense can hold. 

 

An ultra boring game plan but hey, It worked enough to get a back door position in the playoffs.... can't see that working again. I think you'll see turnovers increase some what significantly on offense with Tyrod gone. 

Im not ready to concede a down year just yet.

 

We still have Shady....and in my opinion are platooning him with a back that can keep him fresh.....our passing game was no great shakes last year so we might actually go up in passing production to include TD's (and yes I forsee more interceptions)

 

but

 

Our Defense may end up being something special....they put a lot of work into that this off season....I think Tent Murphy is a absolute stud...we might have the rookie defensive player of the year in Edmunds....our secondary is rock solid....and with upgraded beef in the middle Hughes might feast in this defense.

 

It could be a Denver situation

[njbuff]

3 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Im not ready to concede a down year just yet.

 

We still have Shady....and in my opinion are platooning him with a back that can keep him fresh.....our passing game was no great shakes last year so we might actually go up in passing production to include TD's (and yes I forsee more interceptions)

 

but

 

Our Defense may end up being something special....they put a lot of work into that this off season....I think Tent Murphy is a absolute stud...we might have the rookie defensive player of the year in Edmunds....our secondary is rock solid....and with upgraded beef in the middle Hughes might feast in this defense.

 

It could be a Denver situation

 

I heard all the stupid rhetoric last year about how bad this team is and they still made the playoffs.

 

McDermott and Beane are molding this team into their image and this regime is NOTHING like previous regimes here.

 

The negative rhetoric has EVERYTHING to do with the failures of previous regimes. I will give these guys the benefit of the doubt.

 

Everybody talks about how bad the WR position is, but it is entirely possible that Benjamin stays healthy and Jones improves in his second season. People forget about that.

[ngbills]

Just now, njbuff said:

 

I heard all the stupid rhetoric last year about how bad this team is and they still made the playoffs.

 

McDermott and Beane are molding this team into their image and this regime is NOTHING like previous regimes here.

 

The negative rhetoric has EVERYTHING to do with the failures of previous regimes. I will give these guys the benefit of the doubt.

 

Everybody talks about how bad the WR position is, but it is entirely possible that Benjamin stays healthy and Jones improves in his second season. People forget about that.

Disagree. I think most skeptics are basing this on:

 

OL - 2-3 lost starters. Marginal at best replacements.

WR - Awful group and possibly worse with some departures.

QB - Completely unknown. None of them have been a starter in the league, none have seen much playing time at all. Combine that with a new OC and this OL and WR crew its tough. 

 

[John from Riverside]

1 minute ago, njbuff said:

 

I heard all the stupid rhetoric last year about how bad this team is and they still made the playoffs.

 

McDermott and Beane are molding this team into their image and this regime is NOTHING like previous regimes here.

 

The negative rhetoric has EVERYTHING to do with the failures of previous regimes. I will give these guys the benefit of the doubt.

 

Everybody talks about how bad the WR position is, but it is entirely possible that Benjamin stays healthy and Jones improves in his second season. People forget about that.

I am actually excited about a couple of the not talked about guys on offense

 

O'Leary....the kid was open....a LOT....and always gained plus yards on his catches

 

Ivory.....a lot of people knocked this aquisition.....I love the fit because he is a big bruising back that can actually run laterally if he has to unlike Tolbert and is great for short yardage/goal line situations/keep Shady fresh

 

 

[LeGOATski]

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

Thanks for posting. I don't know how much I should trust inside info that comes from Rodak, but if true it's pretty interesting that McDermott likes Peterman. He might be more in the conversation for starter than a lot of people think. I don't know what kind of offense we plan on building but I think McCarron/Peterman would run a very different offense from what Allen would run. So we might get a hint as to who the planned starter is depending on the offense we see in training camp and preseason.

I've been saying for some time that think people are underestimating Peterman because of that first performance, which is understandable and justified.

 

However, he played in two of the most stressful situations any rookie can be asked to play in:

1. Against the best pass defense in the league

2. An actual blizzard

 

He came back from that meltdown in San Diego and managed the blizzard well. He threw a couple huge passes to keep the Bills in the game, including the beautiful TD to Benjamin. He took a huge hit and came back into the game.

 

If he improves his velocity sufficiently, like other pro QBs have, then he still has a chance to be a decent starter.

 

McDermott talked about Peterman after they drafted him and said that they like his accuracy, "grit" and football knowledge.

 

McDermott talking about Milano, Peterman, and Vallejo

 

Not to mention the other quotes last year from players like McCoy, who said they like Peterman and the way he slings the ball around.

 

So, obviously McDermott really likes Peterman because none of those attributes have changed. I think he definitely has the tools to beat McCarron for the position. Does that mean either guy is a franchise QB who can consistently win in Buffalo? No. 

 

I'm just saying it's a much closer race than people think. McCarron is not very good. I'm not going to be excited for McCarron or Peterman, any more than the general excitement I get for the start of the season. I won't be surprised if Peterman is the starter, though. He's tough and could be an adequate game manager until Allen, the potential game changer, is ready to start.

[John from Riverside]

2 minutes ago, ngbills said:

Disagree. I think most skeptics are basing this on:

 

OL - 2-3 lost starters. Marginal at best replacements.

WR - Awful group and possibly worse with some departures.

QB - Completely unknown. None of them have been a starter in the league, none have seen much playing time at all. Combine that with a new OC and this OL and WR crew its tough. 

 

Those things make it a unknown....not a automatic downgrade.

 

I dont consider Kelvin Benjamin a "aweful" aquisition......just need to see if he can stay healthy.  We do in fact have quality TE's that we throw to as well.

 

I felt Cog was slippin.....I thought Dawkins played very well.....Mills is a turnstyle....Groy is underrated.....

 

I just need to see it on the field.

[JohnC]

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

Thanks for posting. I don't know how much I should trust inside info that comes from Rodak, but if true it's pretty interesting that McDermott likes Peterman. He might be more in the conversation for starter than a lot of people think. I don't know what kind of offense we plan on building but I think McCarron/Peterman would run a very different offense from what Allen would run. So we might get a hint as to who the planned starter is depending on the offense we see in training camp and preseason.

I was skewered by many here when I said that Peterman would be on the roster this year. I still believe that his value in the long run will be as a backup. A Frank Reich type of qb with a backup role. 

 

I thought the Rodak interview was a fair presentation of the status of this team. This is a rebuilding team that is a few years away from having a more complete roster. There is still a lot to do before the offense can be presentable. The current status of the OL has me unnerved. I wish this regime would have worked out an accommodating deal to keep Incognito. 

[John from Riverside]

Just now, JohnC said:

I was skewered by many here when I said that Peterman would be on the roster this year. I still believe that his value in the long run will be as a backup. A Frank Reich type of qb with a backup role. 

 

I thought the Rodak interview was a fair presentation of the status of this team. This is a rebuilding team that is a few years away from having a more complete roster. There is still a lot to do before the offense can be presentable. The current status of the OL has me unnerved. I wish this regime would have worked out an accommodating deal to keep Incognito. 

I think it is entirely possible we carry 3 qbs.

[JohnC]

Just now, John from Riverside said:

I think it is entirely possible we carry 3 qbs.

I got kicked in the nuts by the mob for saying that. ?

[Dr. Who]

2 minutes ago, JohnC said:

I got kicked in the nuts by the mob for saying that. ?

Really?  I've been assuming Peterman makes the team.  McD seems to genuinely think well of him.

[LeGOATski]

8 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

I think it is entirely possible we carry 3 qbs.

I wouldn't be surprised at all. Especially after what happened last year with just Tyrod and Peterman available. Webb was the only guy left...

 

 

(Sits back and waits for a Webb's package joke)

[JohnC]

1 minute ago, Dr. Who said:

Really?  I've been assuming Peterman makes the team.  McD seems to genuinely think well of him.

The TT aficionados are resentful of him. They want him dispatched to the ash heap so they can maintain their narrative about their favorite running qb. 

[dave mcbride]

Peterman will absolutely be on the team. He was a good college player and is not devoid of upside long term. 

[eball]

Meh...for fans who really follow the team there was nothing enlightening in this discussion.  Yes, we know the WR ranks are questionable.  Yes, we know the OL is filling three slots.  Yes, we know Allen is a rookie and there are two other unproven guys at the position.

 

No discussion at all about probably the biggest offseason acquisition of all -- Brian Daboll.  Could completely alter the perception of Buffalo's offense because right now everyone is thinking about last year.

 

I will continue to disagree with the proposition it is unlikely that Allen starts immediately.

[HappyDays]

29 minutes ago, JohnC said:

I was skewered by many here when I said that Peterman would be on the roster this year. I still believe that his value in the long run will be as a backup. A Frank Reich type of qb with a backup role. 

 

28 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

I think it is entirely possible we carry 3 qbs.

 

At this point it's silly to shoot anything down. For all we know Peterman has been on a strict diet of Popeye's spinach and will have more velocity this year. It's entirely possible that he beats McCarron outright for the #2 spot. The Bills are keeping him around for a reason so it can't be a foregone conclusion that he won't make the team. I know most teams only carry 2 QBs but if there's any team that should carry 3 QBs it's us. There's too many question marks there to give that spot to a special teamer IMO.

[John from Riverside]

1 minute ago, HappyDays said:

 

 

At this point it's silly to shoot anything down. For all we know Peterman has been on a strict diet of Popeye's spinach and will have more velocity this year. It's entirely possible that he beats McCarron outright for the #2 spot. The Bills are keeping him around for a reason so it can't be a foregone conclusion that he won't make the team. I know most teams only carry 2 QBs but if there's any team that should carry 3 QBs it's us. There's too many question marks there to give that spot to a special teamer IMO.

I see that Russel Shepard just came available from the Panther's

 

I could see Beane rounding out the roster with a guy who can both start and contribute on offense allowing a spot for a 3rd QB

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

2 hours ago, ngbills said:

Plenty of room to go down from 22nd. 

 

I guess... Most of the teams below us had massive amounts of turnovers.  Personally though, i didn't see much difference between our offense's production and like the dolphins or bengals.

Edited May 14, 2018 by dneveu

[THEHARDTRUTH]

1 hour ago, JohnC said:

The TT aficionados are resentful of him. They want him dispatched to the ash heap so they can maintain their narrative about their favorite running qb. 

Or maybe he just isnt very good.

[JaCrispy]

I blame the issues on offense on McD... had Beane never arrived and forced the issue, McD never would have taken a QB high- like how he skipped over Mahomes and Watson last year...the GM is gonna have keep on top of McD... most defensive minded coaches tend to neglect the offensive side of the ball

[ngbills]

2 hours ago, JohnC said:

The TT aficionados are resentful of him. They want him dispatched to the ash heap so they can maintain their narrative about their favorite running qb. 

Or they just saw him play and didnt like what they saw...including the worse half of QB play ever. I am sorry but its hard to get excited from anything he showed. Nothing to do with Tyrod. If Peterman was on any other team no one on this board would want him. 

[hondo in seattle]

3 hours ago, dneveu said:

 

Regression on O?  How much worse could we get? 22nd in points and 29th in yards...  3 points in our first playoff game in like 20 years.  Hopefully Daboll can come up with something better than run-run-pass-punt.

 

I wonder how much McD and Beane put the offensive woes on the roster and how much on Rico?

 

They may expect offensive progress this year just because of Daboll.  

[corta765]

4 hours ago, Soda Popinski said:

I remember how bad the offense was last year, and it's hard to imagine it regressing at all, it could be worse, but not much it was terrible.    If McCarron and Daboll can get anything going, we'll be better.   The Oline is worse, no doubt about that.   That will have the biggest negative effect. 

 

People forget this with Tyrod. He has an incredible low turnover rate so even if they didn't move the ball very far passing they still could force poorer field position for the other teams and it kept the games low scoring..While the Bills offense was pretty porus last year, they could run the ball and didn't beat themselves with TO's in general which you can win with as long as your defense can hang in enough which they did.

 

If they have a QB who comes in that is going to toss it up and take more risks you also will have a few games that become losses or blow outs that aren't that way with a conservative guy. For as awful to watch as games like the Panthers/Chiefs/Bengals/Colts were, having a offense that didn't turn it over allowed the games to be close. So yea I think the offense can/will regress a bit more given the O-line shuffle, QB who won't be as safe, and awful passing catching unit after Benjamin/Clay.

Edited May 14, 2018 by corta765

[eball]

12 minutes ago, corta765 said:

 

People forget this with Tyrod. He has an incredible low turnover rate so even if they didn't move the ball very far passing they still could force poorer field position for the other teams and it kept the games low scoring..While the Bills offense was pretty porus last year, they could run the ball and didn't beat themselves with TO's in general which you can win with as long as your defense can hang in enough which they did.

 

If they have a QB who comes in that is going to toss it up and take more risks you also will have a few games that become losses or blow outs that aren't that way with a conservative guy. For as awful to watch as games like the Panthers/Chiefs/Bengals/Colts were, having a offense that didn't turn it over allowed the games to be close. So yea I think the offense can/will regress a bit more given the O-line shuffle, QB who won't be as safe, and awful passing catching unit after Benjamin/Clay.

 

What your analysis fails to contemplate is the number of missed scoring opportunities for the Bills because of Tyrod's reluctance to take any chances.

 

It's an argument that can't be "won" by either side.