transplantbillsfan Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 And I'll be happy. Almost as happy as if it were Baker Mayfield. No link, but he just said it on Good Morning Football on NFL Network. Lately I think he's been one of the more reliably dialed in guys out there. Take it for what it's worth, less than a week from making that pick. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 I really believe this is gonna be a draft that puts out more then 3 starting NFL qbs when it is all said and done. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 1 minute ago, John from Riverside said: I really believe this is gonna be a draft that puts out more then 3 starting NFL qbs when it is all said and done. I agree, but I think Darnold more probable to be the best so he's the one I want most. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 I think when its all said and done Rosen will be the best. His accuracy and ability to process defenses is top rate 8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seanbillsfan2206 Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 Darnold is unreachable. If 2 is too expensive then there is zero chance that we land Darnold. But yes, my pants would get very tight if we did 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 Give me Rosen, Mayfield or Darnold and I'm smiling throughout Thursday night. 19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wo-Bah Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 I would be ecstatic with either Darnold or Rosen. I am not sure how we'd get Darnold, though. I think he's going # 1. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 I heard that too! He said "I don't know how it will happen but I am now convinced that Darnold will be a Bill". Out of anyone on that show, he is the most plugged in to what teams are thinking, so I was happy to hear him say that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 interceptions and fumbles don't bother anybody? how about the wonky throwing motion and poor footwork in the pocket? not worth trading all of those extra picks over someone like Rosen. would be a very poor decision based on where we are picking in this draft. if we were picking #1 and we had our choice then fine you can talk yourself into him maybe but the extra picks make it not worth it value-wise. Rosen is the best QB in the draft and he will be available at 5 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 Did he have any specific details? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 I've been a Rosen guy through and through, but have always been cool with Darnold as well. He is growing on me as a prospect and if that is their guy, and they are going to make it happen, I love it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said: Give me Rosen, Mayfield or Darnold and I'm smiling throughout Thursday night. I agree, but I will add Allen in that mix. I know he makes many here nervous, but if the team thinks he is their guy, then I will be happy we got him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 1 minute ago, kdiggz said: interceptions and fumbles don't bother anybody? how about the wonky throwing motion and poor footwork in the pocket? not worth trading all of those extra picks over someone like Rosen. would be a very poor decision based on where we are picking in this draft. if we were picking #1 and we had our choice then fine you can talk yourself into him maybe but the extra picks make it not worth it value-wise. Rosen is the best QB in the draft and he will be available at 5 Im wondering what it is actually gonna take to get to 5 realistically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 (edited) 9 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Did he have any specific details? No, he said "I'm not sure if it will be because Darnold slips or if the Bills move up, but I believe he will be a Bill come Thursday night". Keep in mind that it was a "prediction" segment. Edited April 20, 2018 by buffaloboyinATL 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 1 minute ago, John from Riverside said: Im wondering what it is actually gonna take to get to 5 realistically. way less than it would take to get to 2! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: I think when its all said and done Rosen will be the best. His accuracy and ability to process defenses is top rate I seem to be one of the few here who like all the top four, so I won't be disappointed if we end up with any one of them. I will be irritated if we pass on Darnold should he be available. I worry about Rosen's durability. I prize Darnold's creativity under pressure, but one can certainly argue plausibly that Rosen has potential to be the best. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 1 minute ago, kdiggz said: way less than it would take to get to 2! Oh no doubt....I am just wondering the actual cost. It sure would be nice if we could keep all our picks past the 1st round. We gotta put a OL around the kid and give him someone to throw to as well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 I would be very interested in knowing why he feels this way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Oh no doubt....I am just wondering the actual cost. It sure would be nice if we could keep all our picks past the 1st round. We gotta put a OL around the kid and give him someone to throw to as well. to get to 5 will probably be 12, 22, maybe 65. to get to 2 will probably be 12, 22, 53, 65, next year's 1st not to mention ROSEN > Darnold no matter what the cost in my eyes. with all of those extra picks to get Darnold it's definitely not worth it http://buffalonews.com/2018/03/27/play-nfl-draft-pick-trade-simulator-calculator-darnold-rosen-allen-value-jimmy-johnson-chart/ Edited April 20, 2018 by kdiggz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 Here is one thing I DO Believe: Darnold is #1 on the Bills' board and has been for a long time. I also believe that the reason the Bills and Giants are waiting to pull the trigger on a trade is that they're waiting to see what the Browns do at 1. If the Browns take Allen, the Bills will trade up to 2 and take Darnold. If the Browns take Darnold at 1, the Bills move on to plan B, which likely involves trading up to the 4-6 range for Rosen or Allen. I think Darnold screams "Bills DNA" (whatever that means), and they'll do everything they can to get him if possible. 10 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 I could live with that.....we still have a lot of picks in this draft and can address OL and WR. I sure we we would sign a veteran MLB just for insurance though. I am wondering if they think highly of Tanner V. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turftoe Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 John Elway has a need for QB. What is to keep him from playing along like he wants to trade pick #5, holding teams like the Bills from moving up until the pick comes up. He could then say... "Sorry suckers, I'm picking the QB". I wouldn't trust any team that has a need at QB. If the Giants want to stay in the top 6 picks, then try to get #4 or #6 as part of a move up to #2 or even stay at #4. I just don't trust Elway and the Broncos. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 8 minutes ago, kdiggz said: interceptions and fumbles don't bother anybody? how about the wonky throwing motion and poor footwork in the pocket? not worth trading all of those extra picks over someone like Rosen. would be a very poor decision based on where we are picking in this draft. if we were picking #1 and we had our choice then fine you can talk yourself into him maybe but the extra picks make it not worth it value-wise. Rosen is the best QB in the draft and he will be available at 5 In the last week or so Darnold has become my #1 QB. I like Rosen and Mayfield a lot too but not as much as him. Darnold you are kind of drafting on potential. He does need to cut down on his turnovers but I think with experience he will. His throwing motion doesn't bother me at all. He is the best in this class at unloading the ball quickly when there's pressure in his face. I've used a comparison to Philip Rivers before, he has a similarly weird throwing motion but it works. Rosen is a better QB right now but I see Darnold ahead of him in a few years. He has all the character traits you look for in a QB too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 The buzz has been all about Allen but there are several media folks that have maintained that the Bills have had their sights set on Darnold since early last year. When you look at all the QB prospects and try to find the best match for the Bills, it's Darnold. Not exactly because of the type of athlete he is or how he plays the position but because of how he carries himself and his attitude. Rosen is a good kid, but he may challenge coaches and some coaches won't like that. Mayfield is also a good kid, but some probably feel like he might be a bit of a loose cannon. Allen is all potential at this point and I don't think the Bills wanna take the risk with him. Darnold needs work, sure. But of the top four guys, he's the one that has natural leadership ability, maturity beyond his years, an understanding of how to present himself to the media as the face of a franchise, and overall he seems to have this very easy-going vibe to him where it seems like no amount of pressure can get to him. Put those things together with "the process" and it makes sense that Darnold is their top target. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 Just now, HappyDays said: In the last week or so Darnold has become my #1 QB. I like Rosen and Mayfield a lot too but not as much as him. Darnold you are kind of drafting on potential. He does need to cut down on his turnovers but I think with experience he will. His throwing motion doesn't bother me at all. He is the best in this class at unloading the ball quickly when there's pressure in his face. I've used a comparison to Philip Rivers before, he has a similarly weird throwing motion but it works. Rosen is a better QB right now but I see Darnold ahead of him in a few years. He has all the character traits you look for in a QB too. I think that is a big risk to speculate what he might be. He has just as much of a chance to not be that as well. But like I said, if we were picking #1 and had our choice and they said we like Darnold over everyone else because of xyz then fine, but the fact of the matter is he would cost WAY more to get than someone who you admit is better right now. If we trade up to 4 or 5 and they are both there then so be it but to go out of your way to trade away more picks is silly imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 14 minutes ago, buffaloboyinATL said: I agree, but I will add Allen in that mix. I know he makes many here nervous, but if the team thinks he is their guy, then I will be happy we got him. With Allen, it would take me awhile to warm up on him but I would eventually get there. It was kinda like the movie Super Troopers. When I first watched it, I thought is bad. Then I gave it a chance another time and loved it. Now I'm seeing part II tomorrow. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 16 minutes ago, kdiggz said: interceptions and fumbles don't bother anybody? how about the wonky throwing motion and poor footwork in the pocket? not worth trading all of those extra picks over someone like Rosen. would be a very poor decision based on where we are picking in this draft. if we were picking #1 and we had our choice then fine you can talk yourself into him maybe but the extra picks make it not worth it value-wise. Rosen is the best QB in the draft and he will be available at 5 Relax, Darnold has a high football IQ. And he’s coming from a school that reliably produces great NFL QBs. Oh, wait... 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 1 minute ago, kdiggz said: I think that is a big risk to speculate what he might be. He has just as much of a chance to not be that as well. But like I said, if we were picking #1 and had our choice and they said we like Darnold over everyone else because of xyz then fine, but the fact of the matter is he would cost WAY more to get than someone who you admit is better right now. If we trade up to 4 or 5 and they are both there then so be it but to go out of your way to trade away more picks is silly imo If Bills have several qbs ranked closely, your prudential analysis is faultless. If they are absolutely in love with one guy (Darnold in this scenario,) prudential calculation goes out the window. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted April 20, 2018 Author Share Posted April 20, 2018 19 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Give me Rosen, Mayfield or Darnold and I'm smiling throughout Thursday night. Agreed! And there will be peace amongst Bills fans... for at least a little while Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 11 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: I think when its all said and done Rosen will be the best. His accuracy and ability to process defenses is top rate This is my guess as well as long as he has the motivation he claims to. Physically he’s like the lost manning brother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 Darnold was originally recruited as a LB. Play him both ways. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 1 minute ago, Dr. Who said: If Bills have several qbs ranked closely, your prudential analysis is faultless. If they are absolutely in love with one guy (Darnold in this scenario,) prudential calculation goes out the window. this is what i fear. at that point it is my own personal bias but there is no way anyone could convince me that Darnold is so much better than Rosen that you would give up potentially an extra 1st and 2nd rounder for him. that's obscene. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 1 minute ago, blacklabel said: The buzz has been all about Allen but there are several media folks that have maintained that the Bills have had their sights set on Darnold since early last year. When you look at all the QB prospects and try to find the best match for the Bills, it's Darnold. Not exactly because of the type of athlete he is or how he plays the position but because of how he carries himself and his attitude. Rosen is a good kid, but he may challenge coaches and some coaches won't like that. Mayfield is also a good kid, but some probably feel like he might be a bit of a loose cannon. Allen is all potential at this point and I don't think the Bills wanna take the risk with him. Darnold needs work, sure. But of the top four guys, he's the one that has natural leadership ability, maturity beyond his years, an understanding of how to present himself to the media as the face of a franchise, and overall he seems to have this very easy-going vibe to him where it seems like no amount of pressure can get to him. Put those things together with "the process" and it makes sense that Darnold is their top target. I agree with all of this. Good post. When I ask myself "Who would Sean McDermott and Brandon Beane -- with all of their emphasis on hard work, the process, faith, leadership, etc -- want leading their team?"...I keep coming up with the same answer: Sam Darnold or Josh Allen. The only thing is, I'm not entirely convinced they like what Allen brings to the table in terms of skillset. Just last year, they jettisoned a big-armed guy (Jones) in favor of Nathan Peterman. If you look at the two QBs on the roster right now, what do you see? Guys who don't have the biggest arms, but who are accurate, can play from the pocket, and have exceptional character. Darnold just "fits the Bill", so to speak. I just can't imagine McDermott wanting Rosen or Mayfield as the leaders/tone setters for their team. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: Darnold was originally recruited as a LB. Play him both ways. LOL, qb of offense and defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 6 minutes ago, blacklabel said: The buzz has been all about Allen but there are several media folks that have maintained that the Bills have had their sights set on Darnold since early last year. When you look at all the QB prospects and try to find the best match for the Bills, it's Darnold. Not exactly because of the type of athlete he is or how he plays the position but because of how he carries himself and his attitude. Rosen is a good kid, but he may challenge coaches and some coaches won't like that. Mayfield is also a good kid, but some probably feel like he might be a bit of a loose cannon. Allen is all potential at this point and I don't think the Bills wanna take the risk with him. Darnold needs work, sure. But of the top four guys, he's the one that has natural leadership ability, maturity beyond his years, an understanding of how to present himself to the media as the face of a franchise, and overall he seems to have this very easy-going vibe to him where it seems like no amount of pressure can get to him. Put those things together with "the process" and it makes sense that Darnold is their top target. Darnold would be by third, (after Mayfield and Rosen) but your logic is likely spot-on. And I'd be fine with Darnold. 2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Darnold was originally recruited as a LB. Play him both ways. didn't this happen to Jim Kelly also?? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 FWIW Sean Payton said Darnold is the QB prospect most likely to become a franchise QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 Just now, kdiggz said: this is what i fear. at that point it is my own personal bias but there is no way anyone could convince me that Darnold is so much better than Rosen that you would give up potentially an extra 1st and 2nd rounder for him. that's obscene. The amount of background work that the teams have done on each prospect and have access to is well beyond what we know. There is so much info that will lead them to these gigantic decisions. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 20 minutes ago, kdiggz said: way less than it would take to get to 2! It won't cost anywhere near as much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 1 minute ago, Dr. Who said: LOL, qb of offense and defense. At least he will gave good tackling technique on his INTs im kidding!!!! Sheesh. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwai San Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 24 minutes ago, kdiggz said: interceptions and fumbles don't bother anybody? how about the wonky throwing motion and poor footwork in the pocket? not worth trading all of those extra picks over someone like Rosen. would be a very poor decision based on where we are picking in this draft. if we were picking #1 and we had our choice then fine you can talk yourself into him maybe but the extra picks make it not worth it value-wise. Rosen is the best QB in the draft and he will be available at 5 Totally agree on your assessment of Darnold.....I would take Rosen at 5 if the Bills were selecting there......or Mayfield if he fell that far. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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