YoloinOhio Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 Micah Hyde suggests NFL fine QBs when receivers sustain helmet-to-helmet hits https://es.pn/2vpJuCx Those bang-bang plays, it's tough," Hyde said Tuesday. "Start fining the quarterbacks. They're the ones who are throwing the ball right there. It's tough for us [defensive players] to be able to adjust last second to get our head to one side, the other side -- up, down. We're trying to make a play like the receiver is. It's the sport of football." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 It’s a tough spot id appreciate a variation that gives refs some extra discretion on dirty vs impossible to avoid. But giving refs more discretion inevitably leads to more conspiracy theories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 Yeah, some quarterbacks certainly take advantage of that. They kill their receivers for a penalty or get big YAC because the defender can't adjust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 Micah Hyde with the dumbest take all year. Blame the QBs for me lowering my head to make first contact with the WRs head. Holy s----t. His brain is testing positive for CTE before our eyes... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 3 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Micah Hyde with the dumbest take all year. Blame the QBs for me lowering my head to make first contact with the WRs head. Holy s----t. His brain is testing positive for CTE before our eyes... dude kurt warner threw Boldin passes where either he gets killed, or the CB let's up for an easy TD. But yeah, hot take. How do you possibly officiate that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 Just now, PetermanThrew5Picks said: dude kurt warner threw Boldin passes where either he gets killed, or the CB let's up for an easy TD. But yeah, hot take. How do you possibly officiate that. Dude, Kurt Warner took far more of a beating than all of his WRs combined ever experienced. No QB is trying to get his WR hurt to draw a penalty. That's nuts. How do you officiate....what? It's illegal (and unnecessary) for a defender to hit a WR in the head with his helmet (now it;'s illegal to hit ANYWHERE by leading with the helmet). It's a dumb take. Don't spear the guy with the helmet. Pretty simple. You can't be taken seriously if you claim that any QB would intentionally throw a pass that would result in a helmet to helmet hit. It's not even possible make it happen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Dude, Kurt Warner took far more of a beating than all of his WRs combined ever experienced. No QB is trying to get his WR hurt to draw a penalty. That's nuts. How do you officiate....what? It's illegal (and unnecessary) for a defender to hit a WR in the head with his helmet (now it;'s illegal to hit ANYWHERE by leading with the helmet). It's a dumb take. Don't spear the guy with the helmet. Pretty simple. You can't be taken seriously if you claim that any QB would intentionally throw a pass that would result in a helmet to helmet hit. It's not even possible make it happen. definitely a dumb take. It's just QBs throw dumb passes like that. EDIT: and I agree with you, just want to point out there's no way Kurt took harder hits than Boldin lol. He has a highlight reel of concussions from lofted passes right in front of the safety. Edited April 18, 2018 by PetermanThrew5Picks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 That’s about the most idiotic statement I’ve ever heard.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 I mean.. safe pass as far as only the WR can get it, but also just a helpless throw, and that was a storyline for a Cardinals season IIRC. I don't mean to call out Kurt, but these are the passes I'm talking about. I see Roethlisberger throw these too. bad throw.. just don't loft it up for the safety to get there right at the catch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 33 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Micah Hyde with the dumbest take all year. Blame the QBs for me lowering my head to make first contact with the WRs head. Holy s----t. His brain is testing positive for CTE before our eyes... I'm not sure he's serious about blaming the QB. He's saying there are other reasons why head to head contact is made other than the defense making a dirty play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 I'm being an idiot. I just think quarterbacks leave their WRs out to dry sometimes. Obviously the DBs can defend these passes better. plus.. Micah Hyde is like my favorite Bill right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostbitmic Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 15 minutes ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said: I'm being an idiot. I just think quarterbacks leave their WRs out to dry sometimes. Obviously the DBs can defend these passes better. plus.. Micah Hyde is like my favorite Bill right now. Agreed ... I also think his comment was slightly sarcastic and spot on. Defensive backs are always getting fined for hits, some justified, some the result of poorly thrown balls where WR's adjust to the ball at the last second. We all know the stories of guys like EJ and JP getting their receivers killed. Sometimes it's not the DB's fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 Martellus Bennett said he would play hurt for a QB like Brady because he knew that Brady wouldn't get him killed. He wouldn't play in Chicago with a lesser QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 18, 2018 Author Share Posted April 18, 2018 (edited) 38 minutes ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said: I'm being an idiot. I just think quarterbacks leave their WRs out to dry sometimes. Obviously the DBs can defend these passes better. EJ’s specialty Edited April 18, 2018 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruiserplayer Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 Later in the interview Hyde declared “Humans weren’t meant to play safety.” 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 13 minutes ago, Commonsense said: Martellus Bennett said he would play hurt for a QB like Brady because he knew that Brady wouldn't get him killed. He wouldn't play in Chicago with a lesser QB. yep, for all his slant throws Brady never kills his undersized slot guys either. Of course those bogus pick plays probably contribute to that.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruiserplayer Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 Micah also added “It takes a special solar powered reptilian beast to play on the fifth quadrant” 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manther Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 17 minutes ago, frostbitmic said: Agreed ... I also think his comment was slightly sarcastic and spot on. Defensive backs are always getting fined for hits, some justified, some the result of poorly thrown balls where WR's adjust to the ball at the last second. We all know the stories of guys like EJ and JP getting their receivers killed. Sometimes it's not the DB's fault. Agreed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 18, 2018 Author Share Posted April 18, 2018 I did not see or hear the interview, I just saw Roadhack’s article. Hyde very well could have been kidding. He’s a smart guy. Probably just trying to make a point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 11 hours ago, jmc12290 said: I'm not sure he's serious about blaming the QB. He's saying there are other reasons why head to head contact is made other than the defense making a dirty play. Be sure--he's flat out blaming the QBs: "Start fining the quarterbacks. They're the ones who are throwing the ball right there." 10 hours ago, frostbitmic said: Agreed ... I also think his comment was slightly sarcastic and spot on. Defensive backs are always getting fined for hits, some justified, some the result of poorly thrown balls where WR's adjust to the ball at the last second. We all know the stories of guys like EJ and JP getting their receivers killed. Sometimes it's not the DB's fault. It's the DBs fault when he leads with his helmet. This is saying to the QBs: "don't throw the ball where the DB might lead with his helmet and try to ring the WRs bell". It's as silly as it sounds--as though there is such a pass. We aren't talking simply about "getting the WR killed" with a bad throw that leads to a WR getting leveled. We are talking specifically about head shots. 11 hours ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said: I mean.. safe pass as far as only the WR can get it, but also just a helpless throw, and that was a storyline for a Cardinals season IIRC. I don't mean to call out Kurt, but these are the passes I'm talking about. I see Roethlisberger throw these too. bad throw.. just don't loft it up for the safety to get there right at the catch. That was a perfectly thrown TD pass from Warner to Boldin. The second defender closed in while the long pass was in the air and then he CHOSE to hit Boldin in the head with his helmet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 Jesus WEO... I think it's only fair to fine the QB if you are going to fine the defender, because I'm sick of the defenders getting constant blame. Come on, if a QB throws the ball low, and the WR dives for it, and the DB can't adjust in time, it is ludicrous to think that the DB should share all the blame. And yet, they routinely do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 Tyrod would lose a lot of money if they implemented a rule like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 1 minute ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: Tyrod would lose a lot of money if they implemented a rule like this. Actually, no, he wouldn't. Tyrod would wait until the receiver was 'college open' to throw the ball. These plays that Hyde is referring to occur in tight windows with little time to react. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 This was tongue in cheek but there is some truth to this. My senior year of high school, I was the only receiver we threw to. So I would have a cb, Lb, and S bracketing me. Our Qb would call fades and float the ball. Basically he set me up to get killed. But it was my job to catch the ball. I don’t think any qb tries to get a guy killed but they are just trying to complete passes but often they throw they in really dangerous places. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 Don’t forget about the QB sneak where he leads with his helmet...there is just all kinds of “fail” in the new rule...I mean, aren’t you taught from grade school that “low man wins” in football? It’s like the people making this rule have never seen a game in their lives before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 If you're going for the ball it's not a penalty. The DB should always be going for the ball or otherwise making a technically sound tackle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 18 hours ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said: I'm being an idiot. I just think quarterbacks leave their WRs out to dry sometimes. Obviously the DBs can defend these passes better. plus.. Micah Hyde is like my favorite Bill right now. i seriously doubt a QB is throwing a pass with intent to have his man put out for the rest of the season or life sometimes it may have happened... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 (edited) 22 minutes ago, row_33 said: i seriously doubt a QB is throwing a pass with intent to have his man put out for the rest of the season or life sometimes it may have happened... I'm not saying intent. Just recklessness. That would be an insane story to break if a QB was doing that. Edited April 18, 2018 by PetermanThrew5Picks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 I appreciate Hyde thinking outside the box ... but this is dumb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 People in this thread have never heard of hyperbole... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevestojan Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 Are we all missing the snark in his comment? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 It's football. People's bodies are going to get destroyed and people are going to have brain trauma. Either deal with it, or stop playing the game. A hybrid "safe" football is no solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 19 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: EJ’s specialty Or the pass that got our hot new WR prospect injured in the last game of his first preseason... 8 hours ago, JaCrispy said: Don’t forget about the QB sneak where he leads with his helmet...there is just all kinds of “fail” in the new rule...I mean, aren’t you taught from grade school that “low man wins” in football? It’s like the people making this rule have never seen a game in their lives before. This is all an over-reaction. They dont even have the rule hashed out or published yet, so there is nothing to "fail". The league was clear from the start that they would publish a clarification in May. However, league officials have made it clear that it will be focused on when players lead with the crown of their helmet. It will not apply to things like QB sneaks, or when heads drop while already contacted and going to the ground. This is not a major change to the game. It's how it was played before the advent of the bull **** "human missile" in the late90s/early00s. Going back to real tackling where players keep their heads up through contact. That's all. Easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavin in Va Beach Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 Want football offenses to go back to '3 yds and a cloud of dust'? Implement this rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 18, 2018 Author Share Posted April 18, 2018 1 minute ago, Gavin in Va Beach said: Want football offenses to go back to '3 yds and a cloud of dust'? Implement this rule. [Cackles maniacally] — Doug Marrone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 9 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: Be sure--he's flat out blaming the QBs: "Start fining the quarterbacks. They're the ones who are throwing the ball right there." It's the DBs fault when he leads with his helmet. This is saying to the QBs: "don't throw the ball where the DB might lead with his helmet and try to ring the WRs bell". It's as silly as it sounds--as though there is such a pass. We aren't talking simply about "getting the WR killed" with a bad throw that leads to a WR getting leveled. We are talking specifically about head shots. That was a perfectly thrown TD pass from Warner to Boldin. The second defender closed in while the long pass was in the air and then he CHOSE to hit Boldin in the head with his helmet. That's the literal interpretation. I don't believe that was what he was trying to convey. Micah believes the NFL is asking the impossible task of players who are already reacting a second late to have perfect body control every time they tackle another super human and never make accidental contact. If the defenders are asked to do the impossible, why aren't QB's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 12 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: Be sure--he's flat out blaming the QBs: "Start fining the quarterbacks. They're the ones who are throwing the ball right there." It's the DBs fault when he leads with his helmet. This is saying to the QBs: "don't throw the ball where the DB might lead with his helmet and try to ring the WRs bell". It's as silly as it sounds--as though there is such a pass. We aren't talking simply about "getting the WR killed" with a bad throw that leads to a WR getting leveled. We are talking specifically about head shots. That was a perfectly thrown TD pass from Warner to Boldin. The second defender closed in while the long pass was in the air and then he CHOSE to hit Boldin in the head with his helmet. The Peyton pass though? Was a clean hit by the DB too, he threw it right at the contact point with that noodle arm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 4 hours ago, jmc12290 said: That's the literal interpretation. I don't believe that was what he was trying to convey. Micah believes the NFL is asking the impossible task of players who are already reacting a second late to have perfect body control every time they tackle another super human and never make accidental contact. If the defenders are asked to do the impossible, why aren't QB's? Because the QBs job is to throw the ball to the WR. There is no way he can throw it or not throw it to prevent the DB from chosing to lay an illegal hit on the WR. There is no pass that forces a DB to lead with his helmet to a WR's helmet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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