Kirby Jackson Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 3 minutes ago, billykay said: IMO, he will be playing for the Bills this year. Maybe so, but clearly the pay cut didn’t work. Now you are at odds with a volatile personality over money that wasn’t needed. It certainly wasn’t worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 14 minutes ago, billykay said: IMO, he will be playing for the Bills this year. Why do you think this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderweb Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 I'm not betting that he plays but that wouldn't suprise me much. I definitely believe that we haven't heard the last from Richie or about him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Spiderweb said: I'm not betting that he plays but that wouldn't suprise me much. I definitely believe that we haven't heard the last from Richie or about him. It would surprise me... given his tweets about being excited to play golf instead of football and that football is killing him... aint no way McDermott wants a vet “leader” in the locker room when he’s trying to get ready for the season. Health concerns may be legit, and that’s fine. Retire. It’s simply his attitude toward the game right now that will not be welcome. Imo Edited April 11, 2018 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 Another Whaley bust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 4 hours ago, jmc12290 said: Chronic rhabdo due to working out too hard? I had no idea this was a thing. Not only did I learn something, I learned a new word dysesthetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 I just hope he gave a full 2 weeks notice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 4 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: Yeah..."walking rhabdo"!! Very common lol. He doesn't have "liver failure". He has hepatic steatosis due to his morbid obesity, no doubt. I see things spiraling for RI over the next few months (psychologically). Wait, I get it that the NFL wants its linemen to be heavier than they would normally be and losing weight is a thing for them once they retire But is that weight really at the level of "morbid obesity" given how much muscle they typically carry? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 11 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Wait, I get it that the NFL wants its linemen to be heavier than they would normally be and losing weight is a thing for them once they retire But is that weight really at the level of "morbid obesity" given how much muscle they typically carry? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 7 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Yeah, he's got a tum-tum. He's listed as 6'3" 320, on the borderline for morbidly obese by BMI. But BMI is notorious for not taking muscle mass into account, and claiming that athletes with more muscle mass than normal humans are obese 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said: Yeah, he's got a tum-tum. He's listed as 6'3" 320, on the borderline for morbidly obese by BMI. But BMI is notorious for not taking muscle mass into account, and claiming that athletes with more muscle mass than normal humans are obese His weight is far beyond 320.... And he is morbidly obese despite his muscle mass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 That ^ picture made me think live long and prosper. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 6 minutes ago, JohnBonhamRocks said: That ^ picture made me think live long and prosper. So he's retiring to be a Trekkie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 2 minutes ago, Doc said: So he's retiring to be a Trekkie? Would not be shocked to learn he's part Klingon... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foreigner Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 He actually did the Bills a big favor by retiring before the draft, not after. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 8 hours ago, Magox said: I can tell you with 99% certainty that Richie does not know the draft plans that Beane and co. have. IF Leroi, who worked in locker room as towel boy, was able to get information I can tell you with 99% certainty that Richie can have inside information on their draft plans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 4 minutes ago, Limeaid said: IF Leroi, who worked in locker room as towel boy, was able to get information I can tell you with 99% certainty that Richie can have inside information on their draft plans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Yeah, he's got a tum-tum. He's listed as 6'3" 320, on the borderline for morbidly obese by BMI. But BMI is notorious for not taking muscle mass into account, and claiming that athletes with more muscle mass than normal humans are obese I've spent my life having scrawny doctors tell me that on the BMI they are better shape than me....in spite of having 7% bodyfat at one time. My brother in law is built like a truck and the Dr. just told him the BMI says he's obese. BMI is the biggest crock of you know what. Edited April 11, 2018 by horned dogs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 7 minutes ago, horned dogs said: I've spent my life having scrawny doctors tell me that on the BMI they are better shape than me....in spite of having 7% bodyfat at one time. My brother in law is built like a truck and the Dr. just told him the BMI says he's obese. BMI is the biggest crock of you know what. Patients with less than 10% body fat and a BMI of over 40 are the rarest of human beings. Clearly Incognito is NOT one of those people. BMI isn't perfect, but combined with body composition and metrics like waist to hip ratio, it's not difficult at all to classify the vast majority of people as overweight, obese or morbidly obese. By those measures combined, I have no doubt that RI is in fact morbidly obese, trust me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 2 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I had no idea this was a thing. Not only did I learn something, I learned a new word dysesthetic. It's not. 2 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Patients with less than 10% body fat and a BMI of over 40 are the rarest of human beings. Clearly Incognito is NOT one of those people. BMI isn't perfect, but combined with body composition and metrics like waist to hip ratio, it's not difficult at all to classify the vast majority of people as overweight, obese or morbidly obese. By those measures combined, I have no doubt that RI is in fact morbidly obese, trust me. Aren't you in baries too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills13131313 Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 (edited) I've seen this as a very reputable source in the past... fingers crossed! Edited April 11, 2018 by Bills13131313 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: Patients with less than 10% body fat and a BMI of over 40 are the rarest of human beings. Clearly Incognito is NOT one of those people. BMI isn't perfect, but combined with body composition and metrics like waist to hip ratio, it's not difficult at all to classify the vast majority of people as overweight, obese or morbidly obese. By those measures combined, I have no doubt that RI is in fact morbidly obese, trust me. Do you work in medicine? Edited April 12, 2018 by horned dogs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 8 minutes ago, horned dogs said: Do you work in medicine? you sound like you do He works on testing medication using himself as test subject and he tests a LOT of medicine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
{::'KayCeeS::} Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 This depresses me big time. Another hole in what seems like a sea of them. I think the odds of us trading up just went to slim to none. Which might be a blessing in disguise. Now we may stand pat and just draft 6 players in the first 3 rounds. Ain't nothing wrong with that. Still, what is our OL going to look like? And will they be able to block a Lego? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 49 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Patients with less than 10% body fat and a BMI of over 40 are the rarest of human beings. Clearly Incognito is NOT one of those people. BMI isn't perfect, but combined with body composition and metrics like waist to hip ratio, it's not difficult at all to classify the vast majority of people as overweight, obese or morbidly obese. By those measures combined, I have no doubt that RI is in fact morbidly obese, trust me. "Never trust a man who says trust me" OTOH, I do know that many NFL linemen are asked to be obese - so really we're quibbling about the adjective attached to it. 51 minutes ago, jmc12290 said: It's not. Well, now just goes to show education can be shared! Chronic rhabdomyolysis: http://n.neurology.org/content/86/16_Supplement/P5.064 http://www.ajconline.org/article/S0002-9149(07)00082-3/pdf https://spacedoc.com/articles/chronic-rhabdomyolysis Check your CoQ10 supplementation and look for mutations in your RYR1 gene WEO may have a better theory for what's going down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: "Never trust a man who says trust me" OTOH, I do know that many NFL linemen are asked to be obese - so really we're quibbling about the adjective attached to it. Well, now just goes to show education can be shared! Chronic rhabdomyolysis: http://n.neurology.org/content/86/16_Supplement/P5.064 http://www.ajconline.org/article/S0002-9149(07)00082-3/pdf https://spacedoc.com/articles/chronic-rhabdomyolysis Check your CoQ10 supplementation and look for mutations in your RYR1 gene WEO may have a better theory for what's going down Name an OL that isn't morbidly obese. And as WEO said, he likely has fatty liver from excessive carb intake, which can lead to cirrhosis, and a high protein +/- creatine diet can lead to kidney damage. Since he said he wouldn't be coming back even with a new deal and the abruptness of this, I believe him when he says he's retiring for health reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 10 minutes ago, Doc said: Name an OL that isn't morbidly obese. And as WEO said, he likely has fatty liver from excessive carb intake, which can lead to cirrhosis, and a high protein +/- creatine diet can lead to kidney damage. Since he said he wouldn't be coming back even with a new deal and the abruptness of this, I believe him when he says he's retiring for health reasons. Meh. He seemingly gave an ultimatum and then got called on it and pushed the chips in that it was his choice. Not that it matters really... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 13 minutes ago, NoSaint said: Meh. He seemingly gave an ultimatum and then got called on it and pushed the chips in that it was his choice. Not that it matters really... Firing the agent(s), not hiring new ones, and then retiring suddenly suggests to me that he's really retiring over health reasons. His only choices at this point are retire of play for the Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 19 minutes ago, Doc said: Firing the agent(s), not hiring new ones, and then retiring suddenly suggests to me that he's really retiring over health reasons. His only choices at this point are retire of play for the Bills. His liver disease isn't chronic and most likely only manifested as a mild elevation in his transaminases. Hardly "liver failure". If he's spilling protein in his urine it's likely because he has or is getting diabetes. That's not "kidney failure". I'm sure RI's been warned in the past by his doctor about his unhealthy weight (no matter how prized it is in the NFL at that position) and he is pointing to mildly abnormal lab data to, as No Saint concluded, cover for his rash decisions this post season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 15 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: His liver disease isn't chronic and most likely only manifested as a mild elevation in his transaminases. Hardly "liver failure". If he's spilling protein in his urine it's likely because he has or is getting diabetes. That's not "kidney failure". I'm sure RI's been warned in the past by his doctor about his unhealthy weight (no matter how prized it is in the NFL at that position) and he is pointing to mildly abnormal lab data to, as No Saint concluded, cover for his rash decisions this post season. He obviously embellished the extent of the damage to his organs, but I have no doubt there is damage. I doubt however that anyone believed he was in imminent danger of dying. As for his "rash decisions," what are you talking about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 2 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: "Never trust a man who says trust me" OTOH, I do know that many NFL linemen are asked to be obese - so really we're quibbling about the adjective attached to it. Well, now just goes to show education can be shared! Chronic rhabdomyolysis: http://n.neurology.org/content/86/16_Supplement/P5.064 http://www.ajconline.org/article/S0002-9149(07)00082-3/pdf https://spacedoc.com/articles/chronic-rhabdomyolysis Check your CoQ10 supplementation and look for mutations in your RYR1 gene WEO may have a better theory for what's going down Richie does not have that. In the medical community, if there's a one in 6 billion diagnosis, you do not make that diagnosis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 8 minutes ago, Doc said: He obviously embellished the extent of the damage to his organs, but I have no doubt there is damage. I doubt however that anyone believed he was in imminent danger of dying. As for his "rash decisions," what are you talking about? Firing his agents via twitter after he woke up one day and realized he didn't like the deal he willingly agreed to. Quitting the NFL (also via twitter) with millions on the table and blaming it on mild chronic lab abnormalities and claiming he was in the throes of multi-organ failure... Those rash decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick the Greek Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 26 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Firing his agents via twitter after he woke up one day and realized he didn't like the deal he willingly agreed to. Quitting the NFL (also via twitter) with millions on the table and blaming it on mild chronic lab abnormalities and claiming he was in the throes of multi-organ failure... Those rash decisions. Makes you think the CTE is starting to kick in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 Just now, Mr. WEO said: Firing his agents via twitter after he woke up one day and realized he didn't like the deal he willingly agreed to. Quitting the NFL (also via twitter) with millions on the table and blaming it on mild chronic lab abnormalities and claiming he was in the throes of multi-organ failure... Those rash decisions. So let me get this straight. RI took a pay cut a month ago but just within the past week discovered and/or got mad over it. And because he really wanted that $1.675M he gave up, he's going to retire and give up $5M for 8 months of work, the last time he'll ever come close to making that much money in his life? Yeah, that makes no sense. No, what makes sense is he recently visited the doctor and is (finally) worried about his health and decided he was going to retire, hence the reason he fired his agents ("a new direction") and then proclaimed it to the world. In any case, his days of playing for the Bills are over. You should be ecstatic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, Idandria said: Makes you think the CTE is starting to kick in. I think RI's baseline function is below CTE impact... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick the Greek Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 10 hours ago, jmc12290 said: Chronic rhabdo due to working out too hard? People that do CrossFit get Rhabdo. For fun, look up the cartoon uncle Rhabdo. That’s Richie! https://goo.gl/images/pe2rPg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 Just now, Doc said: So let me get this straight. RI took a pay cut a month ago but just within the past week discovered and/or got mad over it. And because he really wanted that $1.675M he gave up, he's going to retire and give up $5M for 8 months of work, the last time he'll ever come close to making that much money in his life? Yeah, that makes no sense. No, what makes sense is he recently visited the doctor and is (finally) worried about his health and decided he was going to retire, hence the reason he fired his agents ("a new direction") and then proclaimed it to the world. In any case, his days of playing for the Bills are over. You should be ecstatic. You're right--it makes no sense, hence the "rashness" of these acts. You and I both know that there are no "new" lab results he would have seen that were so shocking that they would suddenly make a guy like this decide his health is worth more than millions of dollars. He will prove no great loss. he was at the terminus of his career anyway and the Bills obviously knew this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 36 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Firing his agents via twitter after he woke up one day and realized he didn't like the deal he willingly agreed to. Quitting the NFL (also via twitter) with millions on the table and blaming it on mild chronic lab abnormalities and claiming he was in the throes of multi-organ failure... Those rash decisions. He was a Trump devotee at one point.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 1 hour ago, Doc said: Firing the agent(s), not hiring new ones, and then retiring suddenly suggests to me that he's really retiring over health reasons. His only choices at this point are retire of play for the Bills. To be fair- with his erratic behavior he may have not actually fired his agent (sending a nasty tweet doesn’t count)... and even if he did I believe there’s a brief window before you can hire another (cooling off period of sorts) Firing the agent, allegedly saying he’d play at the right price and then saying the bills had til Sunday... leads me to believe he threatened and the bills said “sorry to hear that, let us know if your playing but it’ll be under the contract you just signed” and Ritchie then blew up his health problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 8 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: I think RI's baseline function is below CTE impact... I kinda doubt that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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