dezertbill Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 Mayfield is the best prospect coming out of this years draft for a number of reasons. PRODUCTION His college production stands out against any of the other prospects, and it's not even close. Mayfield- 3 Years. 70% Comp. %. 12,300 Pass Yds (4100 Avg). 119 TD's. 21 INTs, 895 Rush Yds. 19 Rush TDs. 189.4 QB Rating Darnold- 2 Years. 65% Comp %, 7,229 Pass Yds. 57 TD's (3600 Avg). 22 INTs, 332 Rush Yds, 7 Rush TD's. 153.7 QB Rating Rosen- 3 Years. 61% Comp %. 9,340 Pass Yds (3100 Avg) . 59 TD's. 26 INTs, -154 Rush Yds, 6 Rush TD's 140.7 QB Rating Allen- 3 Years (2 as Starter) 56.2% Comp %, 5066 Pass Yds, (2500 Avg 2 yrs as starter) 44 TD's, 21 INTs, 767 Rush Yards, 12 Rush TDs. 137.7 QB Rating COMPETITION Not only did he have the most production, but he did it against the toughest competition on some of the biggest stages. Below are the stats of each QB vs. the ranking of the team when they played them. Mayfield: 2017 Played vs #2, 3, 8, 10,11 ranked. 5 games: 4-1 Record. 68.5 Comp % for 1847 Yards, 17 TD's / 3 INT's w/ QB Rating 200 Darnold: 2017 Played vs #5, 13, 14, 16, 20, 23. 6 Games: 3-3 Record: 66.8 Comp % for 1702 Yards, 10 TD's / 6 INTs w/ QB Rating 165 Rosen: 2017 Played vs #12, 15 Ranked. 2 Games: 0-2 Record 60.2 Comp % for 514 Yards, 4 TD / 1 INTs w/ QB Rating 127 Allen: 2017 Played 0 Ranked Teams RANKING Mayfield: 3 Years Oklahoma finished 3, 5, 5 ranked in the country Darnold: 2 Years at USC Finished 11, 12 in the country Rosen: 3 Years at UCLA Finished 78, 91, 42 in the country Allen: 2 Years at Wyoming Finished 37, 55th in the country TEAMMATES LOVE HIM It's been reported through various outlets that his teammates love him and will run through a wall for him. Sal C also gave some interesting tidbits at the Senior Bowl, about how he was shaking everyone's hand and getting jacked up with every positive play his team was making IN PRACTICE. We all know what players who aren't loved by their teammates bring to the table despite their vast talent. Examples include Jeff George, Rob Johnson, Jay Cutler, David Klingler. HEIGHT ARGUEMENT IS GARBAGE See Drew Brees, Russell Wilson, Tyrod Taylor. Mayfield isn't some 6 foot QB with ordinary talent. He is 6'1 with Extraordinary talent. WIN AT ALL COST ATTITUDE I get it. Mayfield can come across as overconfident at times, and that can rub the opponent the wrong way. With a coach like McD, he will be able to tame that overconfidence and channel it in the right direction. And if he is on your team, why wouldn't you want a guy with that swagger repping your city, who believes if your down by 21 with 2 minutes to play you still have a shot to win. If social media was as prevalent as it is now when Jim Kelly played, he probably would have turned off many Bills fans with his statements about how he didn't want to play in Buffalo, and his constant poking fun of the city. But when we signed him his over confidence as a Buffalo Bill was never a problem, especially for a team who spent the 3 years before his arrival at the bottom of the league. All Mayfield cares about is winning. He'll be the first guy in the facility and last guy out. The chip on his shoulder is as big as Niagara Falls. You can't teach that in a player. He cares deeply about his teammates, and I can promise you he will care deeply about this city and it's fans. Having someone with that type of swag leading your team for 10 plus years will easily be loved by all the fans. It's one thing to put up gaudy stats vs. inferior competition. But when a QB completes 70% of his passes and a 200 QB rating vs. elite college competition year, after year, that has to say something. Sure, it's a team game and you have to gauge offense and defense alike. But numbers don't lie, and what he did last year vs. 5 of the top 11 ranked teams in the country when they played speaks for itself. For Buffalo right now it has to be Darnold or Mayfield. May explain why they aren't moving up to 1 or 2 with all the talk of Allen and Darnold. Could Mayfield be there guy at 4 or 5? Sure some outlets are saying Allen is on the tip of the Bills brass tongue. But until draft night, no one knows. And regardless if we pick him or not, Mayfield will be one of the best of this class. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Hooks Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 I have Mayfield as my number 2 after Rosen. For whatever reason I don’t feel the Bills agree. I hope I’m wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 3 minutes ago, Bobby Hooks said: I have Mayfield as my number 2 after Rosen. For whatever reason I don’t feel the Bills agree. I hope I’m wrong. You might be. Nobody Owns the middle of the field like Baker. 2 time walk on, intangibles, chip on his shoulder,accuaracy, anticipation..... Me thinks this is the DNA sought by McBeane, and the real target. And after the smoke clears on draft day, a slight trade up to secure that pick is very possible. Size matters, I know. But so does winning, experience, and confidence. The boxes check. And due to his size, he's the most likely to fall to 12. I'd be ok with this if he could sit a year 17 minutes ago, dezertbill said: Mayfield is the best prospect coming out of this years draft for a number of reasons. PRODUCTION His college production stands out against any of the other prospects, and it's not even close. Mayfield- 3 Years. 70% Comp. %. 12,300 Pass Yds (4100 Avg). 119 TD's. 21 INTs, 895 Rush Yds. 19 Rush TDs. 189.4 QB Rating Darnold- 2 Years. 65% Comp %, 7,229 Pass Yds. 57 TD's (3600 Avg). 22 INTs, 332 Rush Yds, 7 Rush TD's. 153.7 QB Rating Rosen- 3 Years. 61% Comp %. 9,340 Pass Yds (3100 Avg) . 59 TD's. 26 INTs, -154 Rush Yds, 6 Rush TD's 140.7 QB Rating Allen- 3 Years (2 as Starter) 56.2% Comp %, 5066 Pass Yds, (2500 Avg 2 yrs as starter) 44 TD's, 21 INTs, 767 Rush Yards, 12 Rush TDs. 137.7 QB Rating COMPETITION Not only did he have the most production, but he did it against the toughest competition on some of the biggest stages. Below are the stats of each QB vs. the ranking of the team when they played them. Mayfield: 2017 Played vs #2, 3, 8, 10,11 ranked. 5 games: 4-1 Record. 68.5 Comp % for 1847 Yards, 17 TD's / 3 INT's w/ QB Rating 200 Darnold: 2017 Played vs #5, 13, 14, 16, 20, 23. 6 Games: 3-3 Record: 66.8 Comp % for 1702 Yards, 10 TD's / 6 INTs w/ QB Rating 165 Rosen: 2017 Played vs #12, 15 Ranked. 2 Games: 0-2 Record 60.2 Comp % for 514 Yards, 4 TD / 1 INTs w/ QB Rating 127 Allen: 2017 Played 0 Ranked Teams RANKING Mayfield: 3 Years Oklahoma finished 3, 5, 5 ranked in the country Darnold: 2 Years at USC Finished 11, 12 in the country Rosen: 3 Years at UCLA Finished 78, 91, 42 in the country Allen: 2 Years at Wyoming Finished 37, 55th in the country TEAMMATES LOVE HIM It's been reported through various outlets that his teammates love him and will run through a wall for him. Sal C also gave some interesting tidbits at the Senior Bowl, about how he was shaking everyone's hand and getting jacked up with every positive play his team was making IN PRACTICE. We all know what players who aren't loved by their teammates bring to the table despite their vast talent. Examples include Jeff George, Rob Johnson, Jay Cutler, David Klingler. HEIGHT ARGUEMENT IS GARBAGE See Drew Brees, Russell Wilson, Tyrod Taylor. Mayfield isn't some 6 foot QB with ordinary talent. He is 6'1 with Extraordinary talent. WIN AT ALL COST ATTITUDE I get it. Mayfield can come across as overconfident at times, and that can rub the opponent the wrong way. With a coach like McD, he will be able to tame that overconfidence and channel it in the right direction. And if he is on your team, why wouldn't you want a guy with that swagger repping your city, who believes if your down by 21 with 2 minutes to play you still have a shot to win. If social media was as prevalent as it is now when Jim Kelly played, he probably would have turned off many Bills fans with his statements about how he didn't want to play in Buffalo, and his constant poking fun of the city. But when we signed him his over confidence as a Buffalo Bill was never a problem, especially for a team who spent the 3 years before his arrival at the bottom of the league. All Mayfield cares about is winning. He'll be the first guy in the facility and last guy out. The chip on his shoulder is as big as Niagara Falls. You can't teach that in a player. He cares deeply about his teammates, and I can promise you he will care deeply about this city and it's fans. Having someone with that type of swag leading your team for 10 plus years will easily be loved by all the fans. It's one thing to put up gaudy stats vs. inferior competition. But when a QB completes 70% of his passes and a 200 QB rating vs. elite college competition year, after year, that has to say something. Sure, it's a team game and you have to gauge offense and defense alike. But numbers don't lie, and what he did last year vs. 5 of the top 11 ranked teams in the country when they played speaks for itself. For Buffalo right now it has to be Darnold or Mayfield. May explain why they aren't moving up to 1 or 2 with all the talk of Allen and Darnold. Could Mayfield be there guy at 4 or 5? Sure some outlets are saying Allen is on the tip of the Bills brass tongue. But until draft night, no one knows. And regardless if we pick him or not, Mayfield will be one of the best of this class. Good post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BakersBills Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 I think he falls outside top 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, BakersBills said: I think he falls outside top 5 Already been there, done that, on another thread. But yes, I agree. The Stars aligned for this. Like us signing a Star...go figure lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 Doubtful at best. But no way to know until the draft actually unfolds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyK Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 I'm not for or against him but IMO he does not get by the 3rd pick... so we maybe playing him twice a year! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clyde Smith Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 He won’t get past Miami. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 16 minutes ago, BakersBills said: I think he falls outside top 5 To God's ears Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BillsPride12 Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 Those guys are Chefs not Bakers 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 This would be the best case scenario as I see it right now. 1.) Browns - Darnold 2.) Giants - Barkley 3.) Jets - Allen 4.) We trade #12, #22, a 2nd, a 3rd, and next years 1st to trade up for Rosen or Mayfield (I think both will be franchise QB's although I prefer the most pro ready in Rosen) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 Just now, Clyde Smith said: He won’t get past Miami. They are committed to Tannehill. https://sportsnaut.com/2018/01/dolphins-commit-ryan-tannehill-starter-next-season/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: They are committed to Tannehill. https://sportsnaut.com/2018/01/dolphins-commit-ryan-tannehill-starter-next-season/ Biggest worry is AZ or NO jumping us at 11 with Miami's pick or all the way up to Tampa's pick at 7. Edited March 18, 2018 by Real McCoy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 Top 5 pick. Book it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 6 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: They are committed to Tannehill. https://sportsnaut.com/2018/01/dolphins-commit-ryan-tannehill-starter-next-season/ Of course they are publicly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 4 minutes ago, Real McCoy said: Biggest worry is AZ or NO jumping us at 11 with Miami's pick or all the way up to Tampa's pick as 7. True but I think we are still trading up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 6 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: This would be the best case scenario as I see it right now. 1.) Browns - Darnold 2.) Giants - Barkley 3.) Jets - Allen 4.) We trade #12, #22, a 2nd, a 3rd, and next years 1st to trade up for Rosen or Mayfield (I think both will be franchise QB's although I prefer the most pro ready in Rosen) Just the 12th (1,200) and 22nd (780) should be enough to move up to 4th (1,800). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 Just now, Doc said: Just the 12th (1,200) and 22nd (780) should be enough to move up to 4th (1,800). They have all the leverage. Forget the chart. The Jets overpaid and we're going to have to follow suit if Beane goes that direction. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 Just now, Doc Brown said: They have all the leverage. Forget the chart. The Jets overpaid and we're going to have to follow suit if Beane goes that direction. That's overpaying by 180 points. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, H2o said: Sign me up for a #6 Bills jersey if it happens 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Doc said: That's overpaying by 180 points. Keep in mind if the draft plays out that way there may be competing offers (or if the Browns tell us there are) and we're going to have to beat them all. Edited March 18, 2018 by Doc Brown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 I hope not. Mayfield has serious issues. For starters, he's too short - short enough that he's been compared to Doug Flutie. But more importantly...he was required to take mandatory alcohol education classes. How !@#$ing dumb do you have to be to be a senior at Oklahoma and need to take a class to learn how to drink? 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drf1835 Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 31 minutes ago, BuffAlone said: Already been there, done that, on another thread. But yes, I agree. The Stars aligned for this. Like us signing a Star...go figure lol Yes, and remember, Mayfields middle name is Reagan, as Bakers’ father named his son after that president. Jack Kemp, the quarterback of the Buffalo Bills was a huge part of the Reagan Revolution. So, everything makes sense to me. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 8 minutes ago, DC Tom said: I hope not. Mayfield has serious issues. For starters, he's too short - short enough that he's been compared to Doug Flutie. But more importantly...he was required to take mandatory alcohol education classes. How !@#$ing dumb do you have to be to be a senior at Oklahoma and need to take a class to learn how to drink? It was a class in mixology. He was learning how to make a drink and not how to drink. He has already mastered the drinking part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 Stop. Freaking. Me.Out! That's it!!!! Where's my tinfoil?? 1 minute ago, JohnC said: It was a class in mixology. He was learning how to make a drink and not how to drink. He has already mastered the drinking part. He's ahead of the curve!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drf1835 Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 10 minutes ago, drf1835 said: Yes, and remember, Mayfields middle name is Reagan, as Bakers’ father named his son after that president. Jack Kemp, the quarterback of the Buffalo Bills was a huge part of the Reagan Revolution. So, everything makes sense to me. I forgot to mention too that on May 23, 2017 Ron Reagan Jr said Trump was guilty of treasonous offenses, as is the press now saying such.. Notice the month and day being May and 23. May short for Mayfield, and 23 our draft position. Similarly, Mr. Kemp, our great past qb, died on May 2, 2009. May an abbreviation for Mayfield and 2 is where we should jump up in the draft to draft mayfield. Things could not be more obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 18 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: Keep in mind if the draft plays out that way there may be competing offers (or if the Browns tell us there are) and we're going to have to beat them all. So, get into a bidding war? No thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman1876 Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 Since Kelly retired and since the Browns returned they have gone through 30 QBs and we have gone through 20. Only one of those was a top rated prospect (Tim Couch). That’s 5 late firsts and a bunch of late round picks, trades for other teams backups, free agents and trades. 0/49 when taking the discount route. Now even the Browns look to be swinging for the fences. I can’t live in a world where we out Browns the Browns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 17 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: They have all the leverage. Forget the chart. The Jets overpaid and we're going to have to follow suit if Beane goes that direction. The Jets gave the equivalent of 2 1st and a third this year and the cost to move from 6 to 3 is the same as 12 to 4 according to the chart. What the Jets gave was about 600 over value. We could get to 4 by giving our 12,22, one of our seconds and 65. If he is the guy I'm all for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalover4life Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 Whatever it takes if he makes it past the jets. Its not an easy process to acquire this draft capitol and it will only get harder to get as we continue to win and players become staples of this franchise. Now or never Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 (edited) 43 minutes ago, formerlyofCtown said: The Jets gave the equivalent of 2 1st and a third this year and the cost to move from 6 to 3 is the same as 12 to 4 according to the chart. What the Jets gave was about 600 over value. We could get to 4 by giving our 12,22, one of our seconds and 65. If he is the guy I'm all for it. Not unless the team at 4 ( CLE) or wherever are ok with moving out of the top ten. The Colts weren't . If CLE or NYG can be convince to move back that many spots, the cost will be steeeeeep. Edited March 18, 2018 by Boatdrinks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 12 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: Not if the team at 4 ( CLE) or wherever are ok with moving out of the top ten. The Colts weren't . If CLE or NYG can be convince to move back that many spots, the cost will be steeeeeep. That's 2615 for 1800 the price I listed is pretty steep. The value of first overall is 3000 for reference. 65 might as well be looked at like a 2nd. And all of the picks are in this draft, instant gratification. 17 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: Not if the team at 4 ( CLE) or wherever are ok with moving out of the top ten. The Colts weren't . If CLE or NYG can be convince to move back that many spots, the cost will be steeeeeep. It's not as much of a seller's market as people think. There are 6 QBs with 1st round grades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 1 minute ago, formerlyofCtown said: That's 2615 for 1800 the price I listed is pretty steep. The value of first overall is 3000 for reference. 65 might as well be looked at like a 2nd. And all of the picks are in this draft, instant gratification. Right. My point is, teams want to get a certain player and try to get a deal done that still allows that to happen. It's what the Colts did yesterday. If a team isn't willing to do it, all the picks in the world don't matter. Ok, they probably could be convinced at some point, but it would only be for a massive overpayment and most GMs need to have a team too. Not just one player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 3 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: Right. My point is, teams want to get a certain player and try to get a deal done that still allows that to happen. It's what the Colts did yesterday. If a team isn't willing to do it, all the picks in the world don't matter. Ok, they probably could be convinced at some point, but it would only be for a massive overpayment and most GMs need to have a team too. Not just one player. Agreed. The only QBs that I'm not into are the 2 a lot of people like. Darnold and Rosen. That doesn't mean I'm right but that's what I think. Rosen wouldn't be a concern if not for the concussions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 1 minute ago, formerlyofCtown said: Agreed. The only QBs that I'm not into are the 2 a lot of people like. Darnold and Rosen. That doesn't mean I'm right but that's what I think. Rosen wouldn't be a concern if not for the concussions. And who knows? Perhaps the QBs the Bills like the most are not the ones a lot of people like. I've seen speculation that the Bills shouldn't move into #4 unless they like 4 QBs. That's not true at all. They really only have to like one, if that's the QB available to them at #4. Actually they could like two, or three of them. Such a move wouldn't actually be made until the draft starts, because it doesn't provide enough certainty before the draft . For instance, CLE takes Darnold at #1, NYG stay put at 2 and take Barkley/ Nelson. NYJ take Allen at 3. You can switch the names around, but regardless we don't know how the Bills have them graded. It looks like the pre- draft trade target was the Colts. They were beat out by a team with a better pick to offer, so plan B is a move up when they know who is on the board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 2 hours ago, BakersBills said: I think he falls outside top 5 2018 Bust of the draft, only thing he is good at is a self promoter. Got you i see.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meatplow Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 1 hour ago, Doc said: That's overpaying by 180 points. For a franchise that hasn't had a legit QB in 20 years there's NO SUCH THING as overpaying to get one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said: 2018 Bust of the draft, only thing he is good at is a self promoter. Got you i see.... Sorry don't see it. Not a Johnny football at all. Jim Kelly was a really "confident" guy as well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Robotulism Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 His height is irrelevant to me, OU had 6'7" linemen and he didn't get many balls batted down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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