Nick Foles Could Be in Your Future

[26CornerBlitz]

2 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Not quite.  They've publicly said it would take a 1st and 4th to move Foles.  White was a 1st rounder.  The Bills countered with a 2nd.  If they offer a 1st this year and a 4th next year, a deal could very well get done.

 

He's not worth that and they would have to pay him big money to keep him around beyond 2018.   Besides that they already signed McCarron and are looking to drfaft a QB. 

Edited March 18, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz

[Doc]

Just now, 26CornerBlitz said:

He's not worth that and they would have to pay him big money to keep him around beyond 2018.   

 

Who is to say he's not worth that, but an unproven rookie is worth at least the 12th and 22nd picks?  And if he proves to be worth keeping, he's worth paying. 

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, Doc said:

 

Who is to say he's not worth that, but an unproven rookie is worth at least the 12th and 22nd picks?  And if he proves to be worth keeping, he's worth paying. 

 

They could have already done this if they felt he was worth it just as all of the other teams who inquired about him could have. Yet no one met that price and instead went the UFA route. 

[Big Turk]

would be a major mistake...paying Nick Foles 20+ million after this year when you could have a rookie on the rokoie wage scale for 4 years and a relatively cheap option for year 5 if he deserves it...

[Putin]

9 hours ago, Mango said:

 

 

I am sorry, but if the Bills trade Darby, Glenn, Hughes, and TT (although I’m not a fan) and don’t come out of this draft with a top tier QB, I’m lighting my torch and getting my pitchfork. 

 

You CANNOT trade all your assets to grab Nick effing Foles for a first and change. Beane is either the smartest GM at the table, or he’s trying to run a team like Madden. 

 

I know there are tons on this board who are big fans of Beane, but he has a ton to prove. The FO was mediocre at pro personnel this year, and he’s drafted nobody. That isn’t meant to condemn him, but I think it’s fair for most to sit on the fence. 

 

 

Thats why the Bills FO have really forced themselves into trading up, regardless of cost. 

 

I dont want to overpay as much as the next guy, but you can’t trade your assets for more picks, on a QB-less team. Otherwise you make the team worse in order to “maybe” be better in 3 years. 

I guess you didn’t hear the HC when he said 

“ we’re not trying to accumulate talent we’re trying to build a TEAM “ 

[Figster]

9 hours ago, Shaw66 said:

Maybe you're right. McD has guaranteed money.  

 

But I just don't think they want him as their starter.  I think he's too flawed.  

Care to elaborate on why you think McCarron is flawed.

 

How do you finish college with 77 TD's/ 15 Int's a 162.5 QB rating and 2 National Championships and only a small handful of NFL games under your belt become flawed?

 

If you had Nick Saban on the stand and asked him why A J was flawed they would probably have to remove coach Saban from the courtroom from laughing hysterically.

 

Yet to prove himself at the NFL level perhaps , but flawed?

 

Awwww come on man! 

 

 

 

[Doc]

1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

They could have already done this if they felt he was worth it just as all of the other teams who inquired about him could have. Yet no one met that price and instead went the UFA route. 

 

There is no need to rush into a deal with the draft still 6 weeks from now.

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, Doc said:

 

There is no need to rush into a deal with the draft still 6 weeks from now.

 

There's no need to do it at all. 

[Foxx]

1 minute ago, Figster said:

Care to elaborate on why you think McCarron is flawed.

 

How do you finish college with 77 TD's/ 15 Int's a 162.5 QB rating and 2 National Championships and only a small handful of NFL games under your belt become flawed?

 

If you had Nick Saban on the stand and asked him why A J was flawed they would probably have to remove coach Saban from the courtroom from laughing hysterically.

 

Yet to prove himself at the NFL level perhaps , but flawed?

 

Awwww come on man! 

 

 

 

he's not Kirk Cousins so......

[Seventeen]

Just now, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

There's no need to do it at all. 

 

This ... I think AJ is gonna surprise a few folks.

[Doc]

2 minutes ago, matter2003 said:

would be a major mistake...paying Nick Foles 20+ million after this year when you could have a rookie on the rokoie wage scale for 4 years and a relatively cheap option for year 5 if he deserves it...

 

And if you trade tons of assets and the player busts?  At least you know Foles can play in the league.  If he proves to be worth 20+ million, so be it.  The rookie will get that after 3 seasons anyway, so you'd only be saving 2 seasons.  And the Bills have the cap room.

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

I wouldn't call the Eagles until we have used both first round picks. We shouldn't give up a first for Foles. I also see this as less likely since we have AJ now.

[SouthNYfan]

55 minutes ago, racketmaster said:

I agree that Foles is a more likely option for Bills now. If they don’t feel comfortable with the other options beyond the top 4, foles might be in play. Mccaron is not a long term option.

 

Foles will require a first and a fourth AT MINIMUM according to the eagles.

He's on a team friendly contract, obviously can play well in their system, and they aren't positive about Wentz return date, which gives them even more time to let him get back to 100% with foles on the roster.

Everybody seems to think that the eagles are desperate to trade him.

They aren't.

He's not a "more likely option"

Foles is not a "long term option" either.

Why can't people grasp this concept.

1 hour ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Good analysis. It simply does not add up not to mention factoring in the Eagles perspective that makes him highly valuable to them.

 

Agreed.

[Doc]

2 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

I wouldn't call the Eagles until we have used both first round picks. We shouldn't give up a first for Foles. I also see this as less likely since we have AJ now.

 

AJM got a 2-year deal for $5M/year.  That's backup money/length.  He doesn't factor into anything.

[JinxedBill1]

Maybe we become a team that just missing that QB this year with subpar QB play from aj or Peterman and use all the picks to build up the team.

 

Next year Foles is released and if the Bills want him then they can get him.  I don't see it happening this year with the cap.  

 

I could be wrong, Foles is a SBMVP who beat the pats. To me that means a lot.

[racketmaster]

20 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said:

 

Foles will require a first and a fourth AT MINIMUM according to the eagles.

He's on a team friendly contract, obviously can play well in their system, and they aren't positive about Wentz return date, which gives them even more time to let him get back to 100% with foles on the roster.

Everybody seems to think that the eagles are desperate to trade him.

They aren't.

He's not a "more likely option"

Foles is not a "long term option" either.

Why can't people grasp this concept.

 

Agreed.

The timing of the trade may change the value a bit. Eagles will likely hang onto Foles until early summer to judge progress of Wentz. If wentz looks good to start the year, Eagles could look to get value for Foles at that point since he can walk away from team in 2019. Most teams will have drafted qbs and/or signed free agents. There may be very few qb suitors at this point so the value one would have to pay may be less. 

 

I dont think Foles was Bills first choice but if they get shut out from top qbs they like in draft, Foles could become a more likely option. Just depends on the value Bills have on Foles. 

[SouthNYfan]

7 minutes ago, racketmaster said:

The timing of the trade may change the value a bit. Eagles will likely hang onto Foles until early summer to judge progress of Wentz. If wentz looks good to start the year, Eagles could look to get value for Foles at that point since he can walk away from team in 2019. Most teams will have drafted qbs and/or signed free agents. There may be very few qb suitors at this point so the value one would have to pay may be less. 

 

I dont think Foles was Bills first choice but if they get shut out from top qbs they like in draft, Foles could become a more likely option. Just depends on the value Bills have on Foles. 

 

They said they have no problem sitting on him.

This hasn't changed yet.

If anything it's more likely now they will keep him.

[Foxx]

30 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said:

 

Foles will require a first and a fourth AT MINIMUM according to the eagles.

He's on a team friendly contract, obviously can play well in their system, and they aren't positive about Wentz return date, which gives them even more time to let him get back to 100% with foles on the roster.

Everybody seems to think that the eagles are desperate to trade him.

They aren't.

He's not a "more likely option"

Foles is not a "long term option" either.

Why can't people grasp this concept.

 

my thoughts on this are thus...

 

Foles will never have a higher trade value for the Eagles than he currently does. addiotionally, if the Eagles do not trade him they will get nothing for him as he is a free agent after his contract expires this year.  the Eagles  also have spoken highly of Sudfield so it might just make sense for them to get something of value for Foles rather than nothing.  i think the Eagles are playing the game, they know that the possibility of a Bradford/Vikings situation might arrise again and they could get their asking price. they could also accept a 3rd for him.

 

i am not advocating one way or the other for the acquition of Foles, just merely trying to look objectively at the realities of the situation. it will be interesting to watch what happens with Foles, i do think he is with another team opening day. 

[BillsFan130]

47 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

And if you trade tons of assets and the player busts?  At least you know Foles can play in the league.  If he proves to be worth 20+ million, so be it.  The rookie will get that after 3 seasons anyway, so you'd only be saving 2 seasons.  And the Bills have the cap room.

I would say the jury is still out regarding if Foles can play in this league consistently.

 

Hes had 2 good games in 3 years. (very good games)Those 2 games just happened to be the most crucial ones of course lol

Edited March 18, 2018 by billsfan11

[BadLandsMeanie]

I can see it playing out that way. The first round ticking down, nobody good enough was there at 12, Beane starts to squirm. The Eagles got no picks and there is a guy they want there at 22, they start to squirm because they have only the 32nd pick in the first, and NOTHING in the 2nd or 3rd rounds.

 

So Beane trades then our 22 and a 2nd round pick for their 32 and Foles. And both sides can claim that they did well.

 

But, why wouldn't the Bills just wait til next year and pay Foles? Especially once the Superbowl win is a year in the rear view mirror Foles price might come down a little.

 

Im not so sure AJ is inadequate and I am pretty sure he will be a crowd pleaser at least that the start because he throws eh football.  And if he dies behind our line, then he dies. But if we traded for Foles and he gets killed out there people will be mad.

[Mango]

46 minutes ago, Putin said:

I guess you didn’t hear the HC when he said 

“ we’re not trying to accumulate talent we’re trying to build a TEAM “ 

 

Yeah, I heard it, I also disagree with it because it is an over simplification. 

 

This is elite athletics not the Mighty Ducks. You don't win at the world level if you aren't more (or at least at the same level) physiologically gifted than the guys across from you. Yes there are exceptions and cancers, but there are not too many of those. We can name a bunch, yes, but with 53 guys cycling 32 NFL rosters every year, the percentages are low.  

 

I am not hating on Beane currently. I will admit, I am not thrilled about the Jets trade. If this hypothetical happens where we trade a bunch of starters and/or quality players, and we are left with trading a first for Foles, McCarron, and Peterman, I am going to be upset. 

[Figster]

8 minutes ago, Foxx said:

my thoughts on this are thus...

 

Foles will never have a higher trade value for the Eagles than he currently does. addiotionally, if the Eagles do not trade him they will get nothing for him as he is a free agent after his contract expires this year.  the Eagles  also have spoken highly of Sudfield so it might just make sense for them to get something of value for Foles rather than nothing.  i think the Eagles are playing the game, they know that the possibility of a Bradford/Vikings situation might arrise again and they could get their asking price. they could also accept a 3rd for him.

 

i am not advocating one way or the other for the acquition of Foles, just merely trying to look objectively at the realities of the situation. it will be interesting to watch what happens with Foles, i do think he is with another team opening day. 

Myself personally, Foles has proven himself on the biggest stage possible.

 

So while I may not agree with OP's flawed evaluation of McCarron I like where he's going with it as Nick Foles and A J McCarron stand on opposite sides of the spectrum.

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, Figster said:

Myself personally, Foles has proven himself on the biggest stage possible.

 

So while I may not agree with OP's flawed evaluation of McCarron I like where he's going with it as Nick Foles and A J McCarron stand on opposite sides of the spectrum.

 

He played great, but the real question is the sustainability of that level.  If there were no questions regarding this, he'd quite possibly already be dealt for the Eagles asking price.

[Adam]

11 hours ago, Shaw66 said:

Maybe you're right. McD has guaranteed money.  

 

But I just don't think they want him as their starter.  I think he's too flawed.  

Made playoffs with a flawed QB

[Figster]

17 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

He played great, but the real question is the sustainability of that level.  If there were no questions regarding this, he'd quite possibly already be dealt for the Eagles asking price.

The whole team played great behind him,

 

Hats off to the Eagles...

[SouthNYfan]

20 minutes ago, Adam said:

Made playoffs with a flawed QB

 

And proceeded to have one of the worst offensive performances in recent memory

[Big Turk]

3 hours ago, Doc said:

 

And if you trade tons of assets and the player busts?  At least you know Foles can play in the league.  If he proves to be worth 20+ million, so be it.  The rookie will get that after 3 seasons anyway, so you'd only be saving 2 seasons.  And the Bills have the cap room.

 

People who play not to lose usually lose in the end.

[Misterbluesky]

13 hours ago, Shaw66 said:

As the first ten picks unfold, if the Bills don't like what they see left on the board, Beane and the Eagles might agree on price for Foles.  

 

It might squeeze the Bills on the cap, but maybe that's when they deal Hughes for another pick.  

 

I doubt the Bills want to go into 2018 with McCarron starting. 

Wentz might be out until October,that's why the phone lines were dead.

[Tcali]

13 hours ago, Shaw66 said:

As the first ten picks unfold, if the Bills don't like what they see left on the board, Beane and the Eagles might agree on price for Foles.  

 

It might squeeze the Bills on the cap, but maybe that's when they deal Hughes for another pick.  

 

I doubt the Bills want to go into 2018 with McCarron starting. 

yessssssssssssssss.. would love it.

2 hours ago, billsfan11 said:

I would say the jury is still out regarding if Foles can play in this league consistently.

 

Hes had 2 good games in 3 years. (very good games)Those 2 games just happened to be the most crucial ones of course lol

ohh,,,and one great entire year....and a decent rookie yr...and 2 yrs w crap teams crap coaches

[njbuff]

Foles fit in like a glove after an initial struggle once Wentz went down.

 

Now, there is nowhere for Foles to go but down since he won the SB.

 

You NEVER spend a high draft choice on someone else's back up QB. Didn't Rob Johnson teach us anything?

 

There is no way Foles can improve on what he just accomplished.

 

Relax people, the Bills will get their guy.

[3rdand12]

3 hours ago, Looper said:

 

This ... I think AJ is gonna surprise a few folks.

we are certainly in the minority. But Bills thinks they have something they can work with. for at least one season , perhaps more.

Still should draft one they like. Just be smart about it.

 

As mentioned. neither of those pan out ? Foles will likely be available later in the season when dust has settled . Or even next year

[BillsFan130]

6 minutes ago, Tcali said:

yessssssssssssssss.. would love it.

ohh,,,and one great entire year....and a decent rookie yr...and 2 yrs w crap teams crap coaches

One good year, 5 years ago?...

 

Hasn't started in 3 years

[Doc]

38 minutes ago, matter2003 said:

People who play not to lose usually lose in the end.

 

Who is to say that spending a ton of draft capital to get a rookie is playing to win?

[Tuco]

14 hours ago, Shaw66 said:

As the first ten picks unfold, if the Bills don't like what they see left on the board, Beane and the Eagles might agree on price for Foles.  

 

It might squeeze the Bills on the cap, but maybe that's when they deal Hughes for another pick.  

 

I doubt the Bills want to go into 2018 with McCarron starting. 

 

Well the price would have to go way down. If the Eagles hold fast to their 1st round plus price tag, the Bills would be crazy to spend that on a player in his last contract year. They would want to agree to an extended contract with Foles first. And that can't be done without permission, and all that can't be accomplished on draft day.

 

So if they trade on draft day they're most likely trading for Foles and his single remaining year. Expecting to extend Foles after trading for him will be expensive and risky. And he may just have his mind made up not to sign an extension with anyone and head into free agency in '19. So a trade for him on short notice had best be for relatively cheap.

 

Also keep in mind Foles has a $3 million bonus due today which the Eagles are presumably paying. That means trading him later saves them $4 million instead of $7 million. So from the Eagles point of view it's a double edged sword. Do they pay Foles another $4 million and then most likely lose him for nothing (comp pick in 2020 counts I suppose) after the season? Or do they figure at some point Wentz is ready and decide to get something while they can and save $4 million?

 

Not saying it won't happen but they better not overpay for my two cents.

Edited March 18, 2018 by Tuco

[Doc]

10 minutes ago, Tuco said:

 

Well the price would have to go way down. If the Eagles hold fast to their 1st round plus price tag, the Bills would be crazy to spend that on a player in his last contract year. They would want to agree to an extended contract with Foles first. And that can't be done without permission, and all that can't be accomplished on draft day.

 

So if they trade on draft day they're most likely trading for Foles and his single remaining year. Expecting to extend Foles after trading for him will be expensive and risky. And he may just have his mind made up not to sign an extension with anyone and head into free agency in '19. So a trade for him on short notice had best be for relatively cheap.

 

Also keep in mind Foles has a $3 million bonus due today which the Eagles are presumably paying. That means trading him later saves them $4 million instead of $7 million. So from the Eagles point of view it's a double edged sword. Do they pay Foles another $4 million and then most likely lose him for nothing (comp pick in 2020 counts I suppose) after the season? Or do they figure at some point Wentz is ready and decide to get something while they can and save $4 million?

 

Not saying it won't happen but they better not overpay for my two cents.

 

They don't have to extend his contract immediately and shouldn't.  They should let him play the year out and then decide.

[BadLandsMeanie]

I would call the Birds now and ask them what their plan is if they are 5-0 behind Foles next year when Wentz, who will have missed most of the off-season practices,  is ready to come back.

 

 

And let them think about that for a while.

[RalphWilson'sNewWar]

4 minutes ago, BadLandsMeanie said:

I would call the Birds now and ask them what their plan is if they are 5-0 behind Foles next year when Wentz, who will have missed most of the off-season practices,  is ready to come back.

 

 

And let them think about that for a while.

 

Wouldn't you rather McCarron and Peterman safely guide the Bills to a comfortable 4-12 record with a nice shot at the Top 2019 QB?

[RochesterRob]

14 hours ago, Formerly Allan in MD said:

There will be some decent quarterbacks available in the second round: White, Lauletta, and possibly Rudolph.  Moving up is not a given and neither is Philly moving Foles.

  Yep, people need to be open to Beane taking one of those QB's in the second round.

[BadLandsMeanie]

2 minutes ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said:

 

Wouldn't you rather McCarron and Peterman safely guide the Bills to a comfortable 4-12 record with a nice shot at the Top 2019 QB?

I would have rather they did that this year. There is no trophy for making the playoffs. Which we didn't by the way, the wild card isn't the playoffs. That's why they call it the wild card. It is a playoff to get to the playoffs.

 

As for next year "everybody" says there will be no good prospects.

 

I dunno I'm really confused about what to do.

 

I think right now I don't mind the idea of getting Foles by throwing Peterman to the wolves and include him in the deal with our 22 first rounder and a 2nd or 3rd round pick, for their 32 and Foles. Then build the lines and a wideout for Foles. We have almost 2 drafts worth  of picks.Then pick a QB in the 2nd round every year until we get lucky on one of them. Something like that.

[Boatdrinks]

18 minutes ago, BadLandsMeanie said:

I would call the Birds now and ask them what their plan is if they are 5-0 behind Foles next year when Wentz, who will have missed most of the off-season practices,  is ready to come back.

 

 

And let them think about that for a while.

He'll be moved at the deadline, when they don't really need him anymore.