Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 5 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: I don't not like Lamar Jackson. I don't like Lamar Jackson. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Nitro said: Colts wanted more than the Bills would offer. The Colts fleeced the Jets. I want the Bills to make an all out effort..............but give picks worth 2800 for a 2200 spot ? Everyone has different opinions about the strengths and readiness of the QB prospects............how can we be sure that the Jets want the same guy ? . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, Ittakestime said: I don't like Jackson now, but honestly, he could be deadly with a year of working on strictly throwing mechanics. I tend to like my quarterbacks to come out of college knowing how to throw a football. Jackson should switch to receiver now before his NFL dreams get dashed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 1 minute ago, B-Man said: The Colts fleeced the Jets. I want the Bills to make an all out effort..............but give picks worth 2800 for a 2200 spot ? Everyone has different opinions about the strengths and readiness of the QB prospects............how can we be sure that the Jets want the same guy ? . I mentioned it on another post what they were asking for. Too much. Now the Bills are locked out of a top 3 QB. Unless they can get the Giants to trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 4 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said: I think Jackson's ceiling is higher than Mayfield's. I think that's why the chargers traded Brees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ittakestime Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 (edited) 1 minute ago, BullBuchanan said: I tend to like my quarterbacks to come out of college knowing how to throw a football. Jackson should switch to receiver now before his NFL dreams get dashed. He knows how to throw, he just needs work like almost all the prospects that come out do. Edited March 17, 2018 by Ittakestime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Day 10 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 huge buzz kill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 (edited) What if the Jets did all of this - gave up the #6 overall pick PLUS 3 more top 50 picks -for the 3rd best QB in this draft class (Mayfleid/Allen etc)? The only thing they did with this move is guarantee that they get the 3rd QB off the board (with a possibility at the 2nd QB off the board). Is anyone totally convinced that the 3rd best QB in this draft is worth 4 top 50 picks? I sure am not. What if the Bills sold the farm to get to #3, only to be left with both our top 2 QBs off the board at 1 and 2? I am far from convinced that QB #3 in this draft is worth everything it would have taken for us to get to the 3rd overall pick (figure at least 2800 draft points, if not more since we were at 12, not 6 and the Colts still get a blue chip guy at 6). #2 or bust! Edited March 17, 2018 by BillsFan4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Locomark said: Assuming the Giants covet Barkley: Then we trade up to Browns for #4. Then we flip #4 to Giants. That way we get our QB and the Giants get Barkley because it is obvious the top 3 will pick QBs. If the Giants just want to swap up to 12 then give them our 12,22 and 4th and next years 1. We don’t need next year’s picks as much as this year’s because we have 100 million to spend and won’t have a sunk QB cost. I would be all for dumping more picks next year than this year if possible. 14 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: This makes a ton of sense. Good work. +1 agreed. this would be awesome if it could be pulled off. Edited March 17, 2018 by Foxx 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 12 minutes ago, Ittakestime said: I don't like Jackson now, but honestly, he could be deadly with a year of working on strictly throwing mechanics. I feel like that would be the situation.....getting ajm gives him that time......a young hungry qb with something to prove......let LJ hold the clip board for a year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Just now, John from Riverside said: I feel like that would be the situation.....getting ajm gives him that time......a young hungry qb with something to prove......let LJ hold the clip board for a year How exciting. JPL 2.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 10 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: I tend to like my quarterbacks to come out of college knowing how to throw a football. Jackson should switch to receiver now before his NFL dreams get dashed. I guess all those passing tds were just a made up stat? 1 minute ago, joesixpack said: How exciting. JPL 2.0 I think LJ offers so much more then JPL did......but your entitled to your opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 (edited) 31 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: What did they think about Kirk Cousins, Derek Carr, Dak Prescott, Russell Wilson, Drew Brees, Tom Brady, Jimmy Garoppolo, and even Tyrod Taylor? 25% of the league is made up of starting QBs that no team ever thought would be any good. He is statistically superior to all of them outside of Mayfield, has every tangible you look for in a QB and played well in the big games. I'm sure he's nothing but a scrub. Too bad callout threads aren't allowed, because your hot take is ripe for one 5 years from now. I'll be sure to call out thread you when Rudolph is riding the bench or out of the league in 5 years. him being "statistically superior" is due to his offensive scheme. Watch some film on him, the guy just isn't that good. Edited March 17, 2018 by SouthNYfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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oldmanfan Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 To recap for anyone just joining the thread: 1. Beane was a brilliant general manager until another two teams made a trade, and he then became a bum that will no doubt get fired in they year or so. 2. The firing is because he didn't move up to3, ignoring the fact that he could move to 1,2, or 4. 3. The cost of moving to 3 would have been perfectly acceptable, but the cost of moving to 2 is completely unacceptable 4. If he moves to 1, 2or 4, he needs to draft a QB, and depending on the post you read the guy they take could be a star or a flop 5. Despite their success thus far, the current regime is no different than any other management team in Bills history and will make the exact same mistakes 6. If he moves up and takes a guy, of the same folks saying he has to move about 70% of the same people will say he took the wrong guy 7. And that's because those 70% sitting in their arm chairs have a better understanding of who to draft than the front office and scouts who have approximately 1 million times more information on which to base a decision think that covers it 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 1 hour ago, Doc Brown said: Giants have all the leverage now and the Bills will have to massively overpay to move up to that spot. We'll definitely have to give up our two firsts this year and our first next year. Probably a 2nd and a 3rd in this draft as well. Maybe both 2nd's and a 3rd. It will be like Halloween! Put all our picks in a basket and hold it out for the Giants and say “here, take what you want.” We had to be out one year and put out a bucket of candy with a note saying it was on the honor system. Naturally, they took the bucket too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 9 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said: I'll be sure to call out thread you when Rudolph is riding the bench or out of the league in 5 years. him being "statistically superior" is due to his offensive scheme. Watch some film on him, the guy just isn't that good. Same could be said of Mahomes and some think he is a god Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Since when don the Jets have a plan? Isn’t that a violation of a league rule or something? I hope our plan is better than their plan.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sven233 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Ok...... Been thinking about this situation all day and it is pretty much a disaster for us in every conceivable way. From the moment they passed on Watson and Mahomes in the draft last year, this season was about 1 thing.....getting a franchise QB. Today made that a lot more difficult. I hope we can get to 2, but that may be impossible at this point. The only silver lining to the Jets trading up today that I could come up with is if it has been the Bills plan all along to trade up for Josh Allen. If the Bills had wanted to do that, and this move from the Jets stopped that from happening, then thank you Jets. The only thing that makes me sicker than watching the Jets do what we should have already done is watching the Bills trade a ton of assets away only to draft Josh Allen. Otherwise, this is nothing but terrible for us in every way. If we come out of this draft, with all of this ammunition and still no top franchise QB prospect, then it is a complete failure. It's been about finding a QB for a year now (actually years now....). Get it done. Whatever it takes for Darnold, Rosen, or Mayfield. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 1 hour ago, Dalton said: It may work out if you can ride it to the end while the Giants are on the clock. If they wait too long they lose some leverage. I think we will have to offer next years 1st, which I would be ok with, but I don’t think McBeane would Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, sven233 said: Ok...... Been thinking about this situation all day and it is pretty much a disaster for us in every conceivable way. From the moment they passed on Watson and Mahomes in the draft last year, this season was about 1 thing.....getting a franchise QB. Today made that a lot more difficult. I hope we can get to 2, but that may be impossible at this point. The only silver lining to the Jets trading up today that I could come up with is if it has been the Bills plan all along to trade up for Josh Allen. If the Bills had wanted to do that, and this move from the Jets stopped that from happening, then thank you Jets. The only thing that makes me sicker than watching the Jets do what we should have already done is watching the Bills trade a ton of assets away only to draft Josh Allen. Otherwise, this is nothing but terrible for us in every way. If we come out of this draft, with all of this ammunition and still no top franchise QB prospect, then it is a complete failure. It's been about finding a QB for a year now (actually years now....). Get it done. Whatever it takes for Darnold, Rosen, or Mayfield. This is getting comical. What it means is this: IF the Bills think there is a guy they have to have they can offer what they need to offer to get to 2. Even 1. And ensure they get their guy. Going to 3 now means you might get the 3rd guy on your board. The Jets blinked. The Bills didn't. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elite Poster Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 30 minutes ago, SoTier said: The problem is that in 2004, the Bills couldn't find a dance partner among the teams in the top 10 not named San Diego or NYG. Maybe they miscalculated the Steelers' interest in Roethlisberger (I rather doubt that) or maybe none of the other teams wanted to trade down or maybe they just didn't offer enough. Not being privy to what went on behind the scenes, I don't know why they didn't move up higher in the first round. I hope you realize that if they'd passed on Losman totally, they would have been infinitely better off. They could have taken Aaron Rodgers the next year or Jay Cutler in 2006 or even Joe Flacco in 2008. The lesson from 2004 isn't that a team shouldn't be afraid to trade up but that a team shouldn't be afraid to pass on a lesser QB prospect if they can't get the one they really want, which is 2004 was Roethlisberger. The point that you are glossing over, is that they clearly had a QB identified LAST YEAR because we had options at our own pick. They traded back knowing that they wanted capital to target a specific QB. So yes, this is just like 2004. The guy we have identified is in danger of not being on this team, but I'm an idiot for pointing out those similarities. I would like to respectfully disagree but I guess that's not happening today. We just traded up a week ago and have traded players left and right amassing draft capital. It's pretty clear what they want to do. I'm concerned they will not be able to. Also, let this consensus #1 bull **** point of yours die. That happens once every 10-15 years and doesn't mean trading up for a player that you have identified as a franchise guy is the wrong move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 10 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Same could be said of Mahomes and some think he is a god Watching mahomes on tape though, you can see the physical skills, the talent, and the arm Rudolph just doesn't look good on film Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sven233 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: This is getting comical. What it means is this: IF the Bills think there is a guy they have to have they can offer what they need to offer to get to 2. Even 1. And ensure they get their guy. Going to 3 now means you might get the 3rd guy on your board. The Jets blinked. The Bills didn't. And if the Bills wanted a guy and the Giants decide they don't want to move? Then it is about the Jets being smart and the Bills being on the outside looking in......yet again. Edited March 17, 2018 by sven233 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 (edited) 27 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: I guess all those passing tds were just a made up stat? I think LJ offers so much more then JPL did......but your entitled to your opinion 27 TDs with a 56% completion percentage against bottom-tier D1 & D2 schools doesn't impress me at all. Sorry. he's a fantastic athlete that has 1 year of playing in anything that could resemble a pro offense. If he ever becomes good, it's going to take the kind of years the Bills don't have. Good candidate for the Packers/Saints/Panthers, etc. in the 3rd-4th round. Edited March 17, 2018 by BullBuchanan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan17 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 7 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: This is getting comical. What it means is this: IF the Bills think there is a guy they have to have they can offer what they need to offer to get to 2. Even 1. And ensure they get their guy. Going to 3 now means you might get the 3rd guy on your board. The Jets blinked. The Bills didn't. No, the Jets got as high as they could. The Giants are not passing on what the Jets offered unless they either have someone in mind they think is too good to pass up, or they are stupid. The Jets showing what they were willing to give up for the third overall, I highly doubt they couldn't acquire the second had it really been in play. So while the Bills struggle to find a team in the top five willing to trade out of the top ten, the Jets could potentially have their choice of three QBs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 1 minute ago, sven233 said: And if the Bills wanted a guy and the Giants decide they don't want to move? Then it is about he Jets being smart and the Bills being on the outside looking in......yet again. You make them an offer they can't refuse. The only way you spend a ton of draft capital is if you identify a guy you have to have. You don't have him at 3. You can have him at 2. And if they think they have to have say Rosen, the more likely partner to trade with is Cleveland to get the 1. Then you know you have your guy. The Jets move makes sense if you are happy with any of 3 guys. I think the Bills either spend what they have to to make sure they get their guy, or if they are happy with any of the top 4 trade with Cleveland at 4 or stay out if they like a Jackson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 1 minute ago, BullBuchanan said: 27 TDs with a 56% completion percentage against bottom-tier D1 & D2 schools doesn't impress me at all. Sorry. he's a fantastic athlete that has 1 year of playing in anything that could resemble a pro offense. If he ever becomes good, it's going to take the kind of years the Bills don't have. Good candidate for the Packers/Saints/Panthers, etc. who improved every year who put up a insane amount of TDs in a 3 year time span Passing tds have nothing to do with the added strength to his game which is his movement skills....that is just a plus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 5 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said: Watching mahomes on tape though, you can see the physical skills, the talent, and the arm Rudolph just doesn't look good on film My thought in Mahomes is that I've never seen a guy from Texas Tech be worth anything in the NFL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 8 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: This is getting comical. What it means is this: IF the Bills think there is a guy they have to have they can offer what they need to offer to get to 2. Even 1. And ensure they get their guy. Going to 3 now means you might get the 3rd guy on your board. The Jets blinked. The Bills didn't. I certainly didn’t expect anything before draft day. Why waste all that draft capital unless you know you can get your guy. Sure, maybe you’re fine with any of the top 3, but there’s still a chance we can jump them and poop on their parade (some might say “rain”, but this would be far worse than some sprinkles). You know they have them ranked in some order. This waiting is killing me..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 7 minutes ago, sven233 said: And if the Bills wanted a guy and the Giants decide they don't want to move? Then it is about the Jets being smart and the Bills being on the outside looking in......yet again. yup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: My thought in Mahomes is that I've never seen a guy from Texas Tech be worth anything in the NFL Which I think is very fair. Just comparing Rudolph to mahomes, mahomes has a much better arm and looks better on tape Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 9 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said: Watching mahomes on tape though, you can see the physical skills, the talent, and the arm Rudolph just doesn't look good on film Did you not watch him battle Baker Mayfield? He threw the entire team on his back and carried them against their will in a game they had no business being in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 1 minute ago, BullBuchanan said: Did you not watch him battle Baker Mayfield? He threw the entire team on his back and carried them against their will in a game they had no business being in. I think I like Rudolph a lot more than the average spectator, but I’m wrong a lot, so..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Some of you folks are funnier than anything Now that you see that it's going to cost assets to get a QB, all of a sudden QB isn't worth spending assets on You'd rather hope that a 5th round pick and another team's backup that nobody else wanted as a starter will pan out How's that path gone for the last 20 years? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Augie said: I think I like Rudolph a lot more than the average spectator, but I’m wrong a lot, so..... The only thing I can knock him for is not having a rocket for an arm. He still ahs a pro arm and can sling it down the field. He has size, poise in the pocket, intelligence, the clutch factor, accuracy, and he doesn't get rattled against blitzes. With a guy as big as him, you could probably teach him to improve his power another 30% with mechanics. I think Mayfield is the clear #1 with Rudloph/Rosen being the tossup. Rosen more pro ready, but Rudolph having Size and intangibles that Rosen doesn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 6 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: Did you not watch him battle Baker Mayfield? He threw the entire team on his back and carried them against their will in a game they had no business being in. One game makes him God, obv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsherd Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 there could be three way trade with bills picking first? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Ballin Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 We are NOT getting the second pick. Y'all effin' crazy. We don't have enough. However, Cleveland Brown's 4th pick is still in play. Maybe. We're not getting Rosen. Andrew Luck will not be traded either. Lamar Jackson, Welcome to the Buffalo Bills. Oh hell yeah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fetou Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Buffalo Ballin said: We are NOT getting the second pick. Y'all effin' crazy. We don't have enough. However, Cleveland Brown's 4th pick is still in play. Maybe. We're not getting Rosen. Andrew Luck will not be traded either. Lamar Jackson, Welcome to the Buffalo Bills. Oh hell yeah. I think the Bills will need to trade up from 22 if they want to get both Jackson and a top LB prospect. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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