thebandit27 Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 15 minutes ago, simpleman said: You are dreaming if you think Gaines is two years 12 million. He will be asking for $12 mill a year and probably settle for 9-10 per year with 9-10 guaranteed. I'm fairly certain that he was referring to Davis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 (edited) 17 minutes ago, simpleman said: You are dreaming if you think Gaines is two years 12 million. He will be asking for $12 mill a year and probably settle for 9-10 per year with 9-10 guaranteed. I keep seeing this and I'm not sold he can get that much just because Sportrac has him at 9. We shall see..I doubt it though! If it is the case that is too much for an oft injured guy. Edited February 15, 2018 by horned dogs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 49 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Or - they want to put pressure on Gaines’ agent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 43 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: Wasn't too long ago he was the best CB in football. I always thought he was more of a press guy though. He's played well in press man at times, but the rap on him coming out of Maryland was that he was at his best in off-coverage and zone schemes because he's such a solid tackler and plays so well moving forward. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snamsnoops Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 Im down with signing Davis. Just not so sure what his value is. He will be 30 this year and is coming off an injury. I would still like to sign Gaines as well...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 12 minutes ago, Jamie Muellers Ghost said: and such a beautiful day in Buffalo to help convince him I bet he ends up in Washington, they want him, he's from there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 57 minutes ago, horned dogs said: I didn't know it had started already! He was cut by the Colts in the season so he's free to sign any time he wants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 2 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: He's played well in press man at times, but the rap on him coming out of Maryland was that he was at his best in off-coverage and zone schemes because he's such a solid tackler and plays so well moving forward. Pretty sure he went to a Illinois Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MAJBobby Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 I am on board with this, would likely be relatively cheap. Also is capable playing in both man and zone, Slight dropoff in man due to his age. Would be a perfect No2 outside CB at this point in his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 4 minutes ago, K-9 said: Pretty sure he went to a Illinois he did...I accidentally cross-referenced with Vernon Davis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 15, 2018 Author Share Posted February 15, 2018 I wonder if price will be driven up by not only the value of the CB position, but his scheme versatility and the lack of strength at that position in the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 5 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: It might be he is better suited to off coverage in our system as he ages. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 Just now, YoloinOhio said: I wonder if price will be driven up by not only the value of the CB position, but his scheme versatility and the lack of strength at that position in the draft. I don't think that's a problem. It's not 2017 by any stretch, but I think you'll see at least 4-5 corners go in the 1st this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 2 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: he did...I accidentally cross-referenced with Vernon Davis Hey, anybody can get their V Davises mixed up. Here a V Davis, there a V Davis, everywhere a V Davis, V Davis. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 (edited) 16 hours ago, MAJBobby said: I am on board with this, would likely be relatively cheap. Also is capable playing in both man and zone, Slight dropoff in man due to his age. Would be a perfect No2 outside CB at this point in his career. and some have said that White's best suited for slot CB, so you sign Davis, re-sign Gaines, sign DT Star Lotulelei and draft another DT, add a speedy LB to replace Brown to play with Milano and play a majority of nickel defense, like McDermott did in the Carolina, and the D might improve. Edited February 16, 2018 by The Jokeman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 3 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: I don't think that's a problem. It's not 2017 by any stretch, but I think you'll see at least 4-5 corners go in the 1st this year. You know that I will bang the table for OSU guys. Lattimore is a star. Denzel Ward is different but will be a really good pro corner IMO. He reminds me of a shadow. He is so incredibly fluid but a little under-sized. If he was 2 inches taller and 10 lbs. heavier he’d go in the top 5 imo. I think that he ends up in the middle of the round and is a nice addition there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 5 minutes ago, horned dogs said: It might be he is better suited to off coverage in our system as he ages. I agree, he has always been good in off man coverage and zone. Going back to his college scouting report. "Best in off-man and zone coverage where he can watch the action, plant and drive to the ball." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 I'd be good with this signing. Bills have no CB depth. Not looking to break the bank for Davis, but if they can get him signed to a reasonable deal, then why not? Any hole we we can fill in free agency (for reasonable money) im all for. Frees up draft picks to get best player avaliable. 24 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: One area that I have total faith in McDermott is the secondary. If he feels that Davis is a fit, then I'm sure not going to question it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Worstcaseontario Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 Probs a better option than injured every other game gaines 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 1 hour ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Not surprised to see him in for a visit after the reported interest last season. Sign Davis and Gaines hits the open market. ....I doubt they roll the dice on Gaines' potential market value based on his injuries.....he certainly is a force when on the field, but the defense suffers when he doesn't play (believe club is <.500)....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dkollidas Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 Sign Vontae, bring back Leonard Johnson, sign TJ Carrie as a nickel back and draft a project guy in the later rounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 6 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ....I doubt they roll the dice on Gaines' potential market value based on his injuries.....he certainly is a force when on the field, but the defense suffers when he doesn't play (believe club is <.500)....... Best ability is availability per your Buffalo Bills' HC McClappy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 5 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Best ability is availability per your Buffalo Bills' HC McClappy. ..is that an STD????............... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 15, 2018 Author Share Posted February 15, 2018 (edited) Edited February 15, 2018 by YoloinOhio 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 1 hour ago, thebandit27 said: he did...I accidentally cross-referenced with Vernon Davis They are brothers, easy mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 56 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said: I'd be good with this signing. Bills have no CB depth. Not looking to break the bank for Davis, but if they can get him signed to a reasonable deal, then why not? Any hole we we can fill in free agency (for reasonable money) im all for. Frees up draft picks to get best player avaliable. One area that I have total faith in McDermott is the secondary. If he feels that Davis is a fit, then I'm sure not going to question it. At times i dont know what these people watch. Davis has always been far better in off man and zone. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 2 hours ago, BuffaloBaumer said: So much for Gaines I do not agree. Gaines may not get some sweet offer due to injury. Bills should keep him . Even as a package player and give him a decent deal for his skill set. I was hoping Bills would check out Davis ! No one napping at OBD : ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, BuffaloBaumer said: So much for Gaines His availability has to be a major concern. Davis is a football player,period , I don't see any decline if we scooped Davis, with potential to be an upgrade! And I have complete faith in McD when it comes to secondary. Edited February 15, 2018 by JerseyBills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 2 hours ago, BuffaloBaumer said: I think they realize Gaines will be too much $$ and he is going to be paid by someone.... I do not agree so quickly. It could happen for sure. But he plays so well in this system . Be interesting to watch this one play out. Would be sweet to have both IMO. Keep Leonard Johnson and maybe even Shareece for his Team play and not so awful bad anymore as 2nd string. Secondary might be one of the best in the league with that depth of talent. 2 hours ago, whatdrought said: I wonder if what we think is happening with Gaines (him outpricing himself) is actually true, if Davis gives us a relatively good starter (potentially even at the same level) and allows us to get a nickel guy like Aaron Colvin from Jax or Patrick Robinson from PHI? who is the nickle back behind Johnson any ways ? 1 hour ago, thebandit27 said: he did...I accidentally cross-referenced with Vernon Davis I was thinking Vernon Reid, guitarist for Living Color. awesome guitarist. These moments occur at your age. 1 hour ago, thebandit27 said: I'm fairly certain that he was referring to Davis i am fine with that deal. any consensus here? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 1 hour ago, horned dogs said: I keep seeing this and I'm not sold he can get that much just because Sportrac has him at 9. We shall see..I doubt it though! If it is the case that is too much for an oft injured guy. agreed. hard to think thats real. he is playing in front and aside of two fine Safeties and and a guy that can single cover on the other side. He should to remain here since he fits the system. others might see that he will not look as good as he has here. I like Gaines, but i have to disagree about his market general market value. Some one will likely give him more than we should offer. : ( 1 hour ago, MAJBobby said: I agree, he has always been good in off man coverage and zone. Going back to his college scouting report. "Best in off-man and zone coverage where he can watch the action, plant and drive to the ball." Sounds familiar.. maybe McDermott should take a look into that style of defense thanks MAJ for the broadening the perspective on this guy. Thought he would be a good fit here. Def worth the hard looksee 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said: You know that I will bang the table for OSU guys. Lattimore is a star. Denzel Ward is different but will be a really good pro corner IMO. He reminds me of a shadow. He is so incredibly fluid but a little under-sized. If he was 2 inches taller and 10 lbs. heavier he’d go in the top 5 imo. I think that he ends up in the middle of the round and is a nice addition there. Eli Apple is available I am hoping we sign Vontae and Gainers. Hey like Marv said- you can't have too many cornerbacks. And besides, that will free us up to draft other needs. And my tongue is in cheek regarding Eli Apple if you didn't already know Edited February 15, 2018 by Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 (edited) 37 minutes ago, Pete said: Eli Apple is available I am hoping we sign Vontae and Gainers. Hey like Marv said- you can't have too many cornerbacks. And besides, that will free us up to draft other needs. And my tongue is in cheek regarding Eli Apple if you didn't already know I was unsure. I thought about it as a possibility. Giants likely want to make him go away. Project ? Then i realized you were having fun. Be cool to have both of them Davis and Gaines and healthy for a season. sounds too luxurious for Bills Fans ! Edited February 16, 2018 by 3rdand12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 (edited) 31 minutes ago, JerseyBills said: His availability has to be a major concern. Davis is a football player,period , I don't see any decline if we scooped Davis, with potential to be an upgrade! And I have complete faith in McD when it comes to secondary. Availability, or lack thereof, may factor in many a decision this off-season. I would be on board with signing Davis and drafting another CB in the middle rounds Edited February 15, 2018 by Fan in Chicago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
without a drought Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 You can never have too many good cb's on your team, but you can spend too much getting there. I can't see a scenario where they sign both Gaines and Davis, neither is signing cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 I think Gaines signs for less Than Davis will. Gaines cannot stay healthy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 4 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said: I was unsure. I thought about it as a possibility. Giants likely want to make him go away. Project ? Then i realized you were having fun. Be cool to have both of them and healthy for a season. sounds too luxurious for Bills Fans ! The GIants secondary was the most pathetic in football last year. Apple is a self centered head case. Janoris made Deion look like Jack Tatum. And DMC took his ball and went home. Eli is toxic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, thebandit27 said: He's played well in press man at times, but the rap on him coming out of Maryland was that he was at his best in off-coverage and zone schemes because he's such a solid tackler and plays so well moving forward. Vontae went to Illinois. His brother Vernon went to Maryland. And to offer another thought on the Bills and Gaines, it could be that the Bills don't want to re-sign him at all, based on his availability issues. Although I hope that's not the case. Edited February 16, 2018 by purple haze Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 1 minute ago, purple haze said: Vontae went to Illinois. His brother Vernon went to Maryland. Yeah I drew the wrong file from the mental archives Too many years of idiosyncratic draft prep will do that to a dude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Passepartout Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 Always confuse Vontae and Vernon Davis as they look like twins IMHO! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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