Xwnyer Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 2 hours ago, KelsaysLunchbox said: http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/8374 And before you ask..NO he is not worth being brought in, mentioned as a bridge, gap or in any way or for associated with the Buffalo Bills QB position. actually I like the kid at NC State that decided to stay for his senior season Kid can sling it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 4 minutes ago, JohnC said: I stated that Peterman was more likely to be on the roster next season than Taylor would. Do you disagree with that? He will actually have a chance to compete , and might even win ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 13 minutes ago, billsfan11 said: And your point is?... lol Can't you read. That Peterman is more likely to be on the roster than Taylor would be. 10 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: I don't care one way or the other, he's not the answer. I never said Peterman was the answer. However, he is more likely to be on the roster as a backup than Taylor is on the roster at all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, JohnC said: Can't you read. That Peterman is more likely to be on the roster than Taylor would be. Thats really not a point proving anything. TT owed 18 mil next year if he’s on the team. Peterman, 600k or something? Do I really need to say more? Edited February 15, 2018 by billsfan11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 2 minutes ago, JohnC said: Can't you read. That Peterman is more likely to be on the roster than Taylor would be. I never said Peterman was the answer. However, he is more likely to be on the roster as a backup than Taylor is on the roster at all. We'll see. I can envsion scenarios where neither is on the Bills' roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 17 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Tyrod (assuming that the price is right) I think in this case price is irrelevant. I have seen Glennon playing and am of the opinion that he will be fighting to be the #2 on any team. Tyrod still could be a bridge for some teams. Hence, a team would be more willing to 'over pay' for Tyrod than pay for Glennon. And this is coming from a guy who doesnt particularly like TT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 1 minute ago, billsfan11 said: Thats really not a point proving anything. TT owed 18 mil next year if he’s on the team. Peterman, 600k or something? Do I really need to say more? As I said Peterman is more likely to be on the roster than Taylor. I don't know what you are disagreeing with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billieve420 Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 3 minutes ago, JohnC said: Can't you read. That Peterman is more likely to be on the roster than Taylor would be. One guy will make 18 million if kept past March deadline. The other is on a rookie contract. It has nothing to do with the player but the money. It has nothing to do with who is the better QB at this point. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 4 minutes ago, JohnC said: As I said Peterman is more likely to be on the roster than Taylor. I don't know what you are disagreeing with. You are talking about the Bills roster, not just any roster. is that correct ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 2 minutes ago, Fan in Chicago said: I think in this case price is irrelevant. I have seen Glennon playing and am of the opinion that he will be fighting to be the #2 on any team. Tyrod still could be a bridge for some teams. Hence, a team would be more willing to 'over pay' for Tyrod than pay for Glennon. And this is coming from a guy who doesnt particularly like TT. Glennon is awful. I wonder if he’s in the league next year? These guys tend to washout. Teams wants vets that they believe can play for a little while, young guys that aren’t bad and young guys that they haven’t yet seen fail. Will a team use a roster spot on Glennon instead of Riley Ferguson (as an example)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 1 minute ago, billieve420 said: One guy will make 18 million if kept past March deadline. The other is on a rookie contract. It has nothing to do with the player but the money. It has nothing to do with who is the better QB at this point. You are wrong. If Taylor could play the position at a high level he would be well worth the contract. In fact he would be a bargain. The reality is that his level of play doesn't come close to matching his salary. The value isn't there as a starter. As a backup he would be overpaid. Just now, Fan in Chicago said: You are talking about the Bills roster, not just any roster. is that correct ? That is correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 Just now, Kirby Jackson said: Glennon is awful. I wonder if he’s in the league next year? These guys tend to washout. Teams wants vets that they believe can play for a little while, young guys that aren’t bad and young guys that they haven’t yet seen fail. Will a team use a roster spot on Glennon instead of Riley Ferguson (as an example)? Not disagreeing. I read you saying 'if the price is right' and took it to mean that a team may decide between Taylor and Glennon based on their price. Glennon is way worse than TT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 What do gms think? I could easily see this guy wasn’t a qb. Was there really a market so big it drove his price that high? How do you explain this to your boss? When they could have just paid a wr to help Mitch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 7 minutes ago, JohnC said: As I said Peterman is more likely to be on the roster than Taylor. I don't know what you are disagreeing with. Ok...... And??... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 3 minutes ago, aristocrat said: What do gms think? I could easily see this guy wasn’t a qb. Was there really a market so big it drove his price that high? How do you explain this to your boss? When they could have just paid a wr to help Mitch They didn't have Mitch when they signed Glennon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 Just now, dneveu said: They didn't have Mitch when they signed Glennon. IIRC Glennon was POed when they drafted Trubisky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 3 minutes ago, Fan in Chicago said: Not disagreeing. I read you saying 'if the price is right' and took it to mean that a team may decide between Taylor and Glennon based on their price. Glennon is way worse than TT No, someone said we all know who will sign first between Glennon and Tyrod. I said Tyrod assuming that the price is right. If Glennon takes a league minimum offer he might sign first. If you told a team you can have either at the same price everyone would pick Taylor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 7 minutes ago, dneveu said: They didn't have Mitch when they signed Glennon. Cleveland was never linked to Mitch. Niners weren’t either. Any way you slice it it’s a bad deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 2 hours ago, billieve420 said: For some people on this board any QB not named Tyrod would be better regardless of how good or bad they are. No point in arguing it won't matter. They deserve to have QBs Johnny Manziel, Tim Tebow and John Skelton as QBs with contracts as bad as only Jim Overdorf can make them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Quint Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 Tall and big hands. A resurgence might be possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 Maybe @DFT should chime in here? After all, he is the “real deal” according to my good buddy... Thanks for all he does! 1 hour ago, 26CornerBlitz said: IIRC Glennon was POed when they drafted Trubisky. Yes, Glennon was signed and then they drafted Trubisky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 7 hours ago, JohnC said: If he can run a pro offense and throw the ball down the field I would have no problem with him as a bridge qb. . He can't. 5 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: No, someone said we all know who will sign first between Glennon and Tyrod. I said Tyrod assuming that the price is right. If Glennon takes a league minimum offer he might sign first. If you told a team you can have either at the same price everyone would pick Taylor. Agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 12 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: He’s a terrible football player. Hard Pass ....ironic as to how many wanted Buffalo to grab him before he went to da Bears................. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 6 hours ago, GunnerBill said: He can't. Agree. If Glennon can't execute a pro offense and make the throws then find someone else. I'm open to all options other than retaining Taylor. This fine fellow deserves a fresh start somewhere else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 13 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: No, someone said we all know who will sign first between Glennon and Tyrod. I said Tyrod assuming that the price is right. If Glennon takes a league minimum offer he might sign first. If you told a team you can have either at the same price everyone would pick Taylor. Not to belabour the point, but it's almost apples and oranges. Teams would be looking to TT as a potential starter and Glennon imho would be fighting for a #2 spot. So technically the price would determine who signs first but difference between starter and backup make them different markets 1 hour ago, JohnC said: If Glennon can't execute a pro offense and make the throws then find someone else. I'm open to all options other than retaining Taylor. This fine fellow deserves a fresh start somewhere else. Careful what you wish for. Trust me, Glennon us much worse than TT and don't even like TT 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 As someone that watches almost every Tampa Bay Buccaneers game (including Glennon's start against them this year), the dude is simply not a good QB. If you want him as a backup QB, fine, but he is in no way shape or form an upgrade over Tyrod. He's a substantial downgrade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaattMaann Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 good, they should, he sucks....but why do we, as Bills fans, care? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 12 minutes ago, Fan in Chicago said: Not to belabour the point, but it's almost apples and oranges. Teams would be looking to TT as a potential starter and Glennon imho would be fighting for a #2 spot. So technically the price would determine who signs first but difference between starter and backup make them different markets We are saying the exact same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 16 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: It was only a matter of time once they drafted Trubisky. Glennon's butt ugly awful play last season expedited matters. The Bears blew everyone else out of the water in Glennon sweepstakes. One of the most confusing events of last year's draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 2 hours ago, JohnC said: If Glennon can't execute a pro offense and make the throws then find someone else. I'm open to all options other than retaining Taylor. This fine fellow deserves a fresh start somewhere else. I am all for moving on from Tyrod as well you know John I'd have drafted Watson at 10 last year and he would have been our starter by week 5 or 6 at the latest. But I am not literally going to take anybody with two legs and two arms. Glennon sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 2 hours ago, GunnerBill said: I am all for moving on from Tyrod as well you know John I'd have drafted Watson at 10 last year and he would have been our starter by week 5 or 6 at the latest. But I am not literally going to take anybody with two legs and two arms. Glennon sucks. Read the post you responded to. I stated if Glennon can't run a pro offense then go to another option. The Taylor era is probably over with. There are options. They must be sought! A better option may not be a great option but it is still better than our current situation. Whaley was turning the page on Taylor without a veteran qb in place. I believe it is very probable that McBeane is still going to scour the market for a veteran qb even if they get one of the high end prospects in this draft. You and I are aligned in our thoughts about drafting a qb last year. If the Bills would have drafted either Mahomes or Watson last year this team would be in a more stable situation. (JeffisMagic was scorned; JeffisMagic was right.} What I will not yield on is that the era of a pop warner offense must be extinguished to the ashes of this franchise's inglorious recent history. It's time to move on. 3 hours ago, Fan in Chicago said: Not to belabour the point, but it's almost apples and oranges. Teams would be looking to TT as a potential starter and Glennon imho would be fighting for a #2 spot. So technically the price would determine who signs first but difference between starter and backup make them different markets Careful what you wish for. Trust me, Glennon us much worse than TT and don't even like TT Simple solution: Find another option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 23 minutes ago, JohnC said: Read the post you responded to. I stated if Glennon can't run a pro offense then go to another option. The Taylor era is probably over with. There are options. They must be sought! A better option may not be a great option but it is still better than our current situation. Whaley was turning the page on Taylor without a veteran qb in place. I believe it is very probable that McBeane is still going to scour the market for a veteran qb even if they get one of the high end prospects in this draft. You and I are aligned in our thoughts about drafting a qb last year. If the Bills would have drafted either Mahomes or Watson last year this team would be in a more stable situation. (JeffisMagic was scorned; JeffisMagic was right.} What I will not yield on is that the era of a pop warner offense must be extinguished to the ashes of this franchise's inglorious recent history. It's time to move on. Simple solution: Find another option. John, I am begging you to please stop with “anybody else.” My plea to you is names and an actionable plan. I mean you literally chimed in thinking Glennon was a potential option!! He couldn’t play in the CFL. Who are the guys you are targeting and at what cost? Let’s have a real football discussion. My plan is 21, 22 and 2019 1st (max I’d pay) to move into the top 3 for Rosen or Baker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 I really like Glennon. I would be very interested in him competing for the starting job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 Just now, Brianmoorman4jesus said: I really like Glennon. I would be very interested in him competing for the starting job. Yikes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cba fan Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 (edited) 18 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: IIRC Glennon was POed when they drafted Trubisky. If he would have gotten his head out of his ass long enough the ball out and play reasonable then Trubiskiy would have never seen the field this past year. Instead of letting Trubiski trade up and draft of, light a competitive fire under his ass he wilted and was correctly replaced. It is on him. His future now is as a lower priced back up. He made his millions so props to him for cashing in on the talent he had to offer. He became a FA at the best time and demand made him millions. He is a success in that regard. Edited February 15, 2018 by cba fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 Just now, cba fan said: If he would have gotten his head out of his ass long enough the ball out and play reasonable then Trubiskiy would have never seen the field this past year. Instead of letting Trubiski trade up and draft of, light a competitive fire under his ass he wilted and was correctly replaced. It is on him. His future now is as a lower priced back up. He made his millions so props to him for cashing in on the talent he had to offer. he became a FA at the best time and demand made him millions. He is a success in that regard. You're right. That was the plan the Bears had, but Glennon stunk it up so badly they accelerated the time table for Trubisky to get in the lineup. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 7 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Yikes John. Just an awful take. And what's the obsession with a "pro offense". Did you miss Deshauns Watson last season before he got hurt? That wasn't a pro style offense. Did you watch Taylor in the Jacksonville game? The Bills had the opportunity to take Watson last year. We passed. It was a mistake. There wouldn't be an interminable Taylor discussion if Watson or Mahomes was selected last year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 3 minutes ago, JohnC said: Did you watch Taylor in the Jacksonville game? The Bills had the opportunity to take Watson last year. We passed. It was a mistake. There wouldn't be an interminable Taylor discussion if Watson or Mahomes was selected last year. Watson and/or Mahomes would've been awful under Dennison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 1 minute ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: Watson and/or Mahomes would've been awful under Dennison. Dennison is now gone. With either of the two qbs mentioned the bills would now be in such a better state. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grb Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 (edited) 21 hours ago, JohnC said: The odds are substantially higher that Peterman will be on next year's roster and Taylor won't be. How wrong can one person be? I'll agree there's only a small likelihood Taylor is a Bill next year, but Peterman's odds are actually worse. Let's do the math : The Bills will draft a quarterback high in the draft and his job is safe. The Bills will not accept going into the '18 season with rookie & Peterman. Even if Taylor is cut, they'll bring in a veteran The odds they'll bring in a veteran less fit to start than Peterman are microscopic Even if they do keep three quarterbacks, the odds are better for swiss-army-knife Webb, than Nate. So it's the practice squad or getting cut outright. How could you misread things so badly? Edited February 15, 2018 by grb 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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