Wagon Circler Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 6 minutes ago, Starr Almighty said: The defense did most of the work. This guy actually bails out of throws and sails them blindly into the air. This guy had a terrific season and would be a significant upgrade on Tyrod. I'm not saying break the bank, but he is the type of veteran we should be looking for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 29 minutes ago, BuffaloDave55 said: I agree. Keenum is a major upgrade in passing. Draft White in the 3rd. Fill our other holes. Also, agree with other post Darnold is a turn over machine and Jackson is Tyrod 2.0 + more turnovers! Foles is staying with Philadelphia. Why would they trade him? He will probably start the first 4 to 6 games. ACLs are 8 month injuries now. I fully expect Wentz to be ready by game 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: ACLs are 8 month injuries now. I fully expect Wentz to be ready by game 1. from what ive gleaned he should be a go for week 1 but I heard that they shouldn't expect him to be 100%.... I don't think its out of the realm of possibility to see foles for 2 or 3 weeks to give him another month. if ya have that luxury what not use it? Edited February 9, 2018 by Stank_Nasty 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 6 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said: from what ive gleaned he should be a go for week 1 but I heard that they shouldn't expect him to be 100%.... I don't think its out of the realm of possibility to see foles for 2 or 3 weeks to give him another month. if ya have that luxury what not use it? I don't think they should trade him either, but they are pretty lacking in draft picks ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 1 hour ago, PIZ said: I disagree. Not exactly who I want, but he is an upgrade over Tyrod. He at least scans the field and throws an accurate ball. Actually throws to receivers instead of dump offs or throwing over their heads. I think they would still draft a QB like White or Rudolph in this scenario. Plus one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 2 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: I don't think they should trade him either, but they are pretty lacking in draft picks ... I agree it's doubtful he's traded but Chase Daniel is a good backup QB.......they could do worse for a few weeks if Wentz has a setback............and they are bereft of draft picks as you said and are up against the cap too so I am sure they'd like a personnel chip or two to work with. Another big lesson from the Eagles is that it doesn't have to take long to turn a team around. Chip Kelly was accused of leaving the cupboard bare with his McD-esque evacuation of talent......and two years later they were about as talented and deep as any team in the league. Roseman was aggressive to say the least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsredneck1 Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 8 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: I don't think they should trade him either, but they are pretty lacking in draft picks ... they traded bradford at a questionable time...i think they would now if the price was right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 1 hour ago, MILFHUNTER#518 said: Foles will stay in Philly, Wentz may not start and Foles is under contract for another year Philly could trade foles for picks (as of now they only have 1 pick in the first 100), and then sign someone else. As nice as it is to have a solid backup, he's not the QB of the future, and you may as well get something back for a guy who they will lose in free agency next season. They're right up at the cap so they'll have to cut some people, but getting a Glennon or Mccown could be good to bridge until Wentz returns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 11 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: with his McD-esque evacuation of talent...... You're an unmitigated moron. Not even debatable at this point. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MILFHUNTER#518 Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 Just now, dneveu said: Philly could trade foles for picks (as of now they only have 1 pick in the first 100), and then sign someone else. As nice as it is to have a solid backup, he's not the QB of the future, and you may as well get something back for a guy who they will lose in free agency next season. They're right up at the cap so they'll have to cut some people, but getting a Glennon or Mccown could be good to bridge until Wentz returns. Why overpay for a vet backup (consider the QB market right now) when you already have a dynamite, proven QB already on the roster that already knows the offense, that just won you a super bowl on the cheap? Philly fans would burn the city to the ground if that happened, IMHO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 10 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: I agree it's doubtful he's traded but Chase Daniel is a good backup QB.......they could do worse for a few weeks if Wentz has a setback............and they are bereft of draft picks as you said and are up against the cap too so I am sure they'd like a personnel chip or two to work with. Another big lesson from the Eagles is that it doesn't have to take long to turn a team around. Chip Kelly was accused of leaving the cupboard bare with his McD-esque evacuation of talent......and two years later they were about as talented and deep as any team in the league. Roseman was aggressive to say the least. Well they added bradford, then drafted wentz, and then moved bradford and got back a lot of what they traded to get to Wentz. They also purged like all their bad contracts in 2016, so they were able to extend and sign players in 2017. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBean Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 Yuck to Keenum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 1 minute ago, dneveu said: Well they added bradford, then drafted wentz, and then moved bradford and got back a lot of what they traded to get to Wentz. They also purged like all their bad contracts in 2016, so they were able to extend and sign players in 2017. They also raided the Bills for talent devalued by Rex to fill out their back 7. Bargains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 1 minute ago, MILFHUNTER#518 said: Why overpay for a vet backup (consider the QB market right now) when you already have a dynamite, proven QB already on the roster that already knows the offense, that just won you a super bowl on the cheap? Philly fans would burn the city to the ground if that happened, IMHO If you can get a return, cap relief and a mid pick, or a higher pick... for a backup qb who you won't re-sign in 2019... why wouldn't they consider it? Just now, BADOLBILZ said: They also raided the Bills for talent devalued by Rex to fill out their back 7. Bargains. Yeah, they ended up with Bradham, Graham, and Darby. Bradham is a UFA, Graham will be cut, and Darby's in year 4, and will demand gilmore money in 2019. Mills will also probably want a pretty hefty raise in 2019. But they also drafted that kid Sidney Jones who barely played, who they're hoping will fit right in. Trading foles will help them restock the cupboard and prepare for their top 2 CB's departures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, NastyNateSoldiers said: Especially since he might cost up to 20mil per season. But then again Mcd got Mcholes to fill on his Defense and that's more important than getting a franchise QB. What if there's no franchise QB to be had???? You, like so many stubbornly delusional Bills fans, apparently assume that all the Bills have to do is draft a first round QB and voila!, he'll turn into a franchise QB. Don't bother to deny that that's your assumption, either, because your own words betray your feelings on the subject. The Bills tried twice before, in 2004 and again in 2013, to take a first round QB just to take a first round QB and suffered disastrous consequences. Face reality: if the Bills draft a QB in the first round in 2018, they won't be drafting another first round QB for at least four or five years unless said QB is a bust, so they better make their QB pick a good one or draft somebody else. Drafting the wrong QB is worse than not drafting any QB. FYI -- Among the FA QBs, probably the only significant upgrade to Taylor is Cousins. As a FA, he picks where he'll sign, which is very unlikely to be the Bills. Franchise QBs are rarely to be found in FA. Among the QBs in the draft, it's entirely possible that even if they want to trade up, the Bills may not be able to find a dance partner. In both 2011 and 2012, there was no way Carolina or Indy were ever going to trade out of the #1 pick. No QB in the draft comes with a guarantee ... and outside of the #1 pick, it gets dicey even for first round picks. Of 27 first round QBs taken since 2000 outside of the #1 pick, only 10 have been long-term starters on at least a level of Jay Cutler, Sam Bradford or Ryan Tannehill. That's still only about 1 out of 3. Pretty shabby odds. Edited February 9, 2018 by SoTier 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 18 minutes ago, dneveu said: If you can get a return, cap relief and a mid pick, or a higher pick... for a backup qb who you won't re-sign in 2019... why wouldn't they consider it? Yeah, they ended up with Bradham, Graham, and Darby. Bradham is a UFA, Graham will be cut, and Darby's in year 4, and will demand gilmore money in 2019. Mills will also probably want a pretty hefty raise in 2019. But they also drafted that kid Sidney Jones who barely played, who they're hoping will fit right in. Trading foles will help them restock the cupboard and prepare for their top 2 CB's departures. They also got a year out of Leodis and scooped Sammy Watkin's bro Jaylen off the Bills too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 1 minute ago, BADOLBILZ said: They also got a year out of Leodis and scooped Sammy Watkin's bro Jaylen off the Bills too. True - but they seem to be a team who values looking to the future. Signing Long, and drafting Barnett with the expectation of losing Graham or Curry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 2 minutes ago, dneveu said: True - but they seem to be a team who values looking to the future. Signing Long, and drafting Barnett with the expectation of losing Graham or Curry. I see it more like they focus heavy on DL and want as little drop-off as possible in their rotation.......... and the back 7 they are willing to just fill in. They were willing to give up some modest future chips to fill in holes right away.....like with Darby.......but don't really value balance across the D.......they'd be fine having their best 8 defenders being DL. Because Schwartz D is all about pass rush pressure and penetration. His track record without a great front is poor. When they couldn't get home in the SB the Pats just torched them. Good at what he does but not adaptive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 16 minutes ago, dneveu said: True - but they seem to be a team who values looking to the future. Signing Long, and drafting Barnett with the expectation of losing Graham or Curry. They're a team that values the present highly as well. And they're built for now. (They're also built for the future by default--a la Pittsburgh, GB, and NO--simply because of the QB.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 5 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: They're a team that values the present highly as well. And they're built for now. (They're also built for the future by default--a la Pittsburgh, GB, and NO--simply because of the QB.) At the same time... they're over the cap, and could use a Foles trade to add a player, as well as some cap relief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, dneveu said: At the same time... they're over the cap, and could use a Foles trade to add a player, as well as some cap relief. Part of me thinks that there is no way this guy sits on the bench next year. He is far better than a lot of starting QBs, and his performance, in successive weeks, against ATL (a very good game -- 100.1 rating), the #1 defense in Minnesota (which he SHREDDED), and the #5 scoring defense in NE (which he completely shredded too) plus his ridiculous numbers in 2013 seems to suggest that he'll be starting for some team in early September. Production/talent like that can't really sit. He has started 4 playoff games now and has played extremely well in every one of them. They lost 26-24 on the last play of the game (FG) against NO in 2013, so it wasn't like he didn't do his job. He had a rating of 105.0 in that game. In fact, he's never had UNDER a 100 rating in four postseason games. That is ridonkulous. Edited February 9, 2018 by dave mcbride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dkollidas Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 (edited) If Darnold slips past first overall I’d bet a lot of money the Bills do what’s necessary to move up for him. He’s totally a McDermott type of player. I think Taylor/Allen is a good prediction for Arizona. If it was Keenum, I wouldn’t be too upset... but at that point I’d probably just keep Tyrod if there wasn’t a rookie drafted Edited February 9, 2018 by Dkollidas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 8 hours ago, 2003Contenders said: Honestly, if the Bills really are unable to trade up to get a franchise guy and the best they can do in free agency is Keenum, I could live with hanging onto Tyrod AND drafting Lamar Jackson. Good god I hope not. Jackson would be another disaster. A runner who only completes 57% of his passes. Just once, get a QB who is accurate and stays in the pocket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 On 2/9/2018 at 12:35 PM, BuffaloRebound said: If Darnold lasts to #6 and we don't trade up, I'll be pissed. Maybe yellow is your color. On 2/9/2018 at 1:49 PM, John from Hemet said: It amazes me how more fans dont understand this I see passing yards recited all day while they steer clear of ball security. The point is valid that you have to score points to win.....but turning the ball over will beat you every time. Look how far the jags made it by NOT doing it while teams like the steelers turned the ball over and lost. Turnovers depend on when - if it is on 3rd or 4th down and it is a long throw with short yardage after catch it is basically a punt. You need to balance ball security vs being able to get yards against "give and take" defenses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 You would have to say Foles is a top 15 QB after the way he played in the playoffs. Let's not forget that the Eagles have a ideal situation for a QB to be successful. They have the good O-Line, they have big WR's with big catch radius, after Gronk retires they will have the best TE in the NFL, they have a very good running game. If the Bills did get Foles they would need to upgrade the O-line, get another big WR and upgrade the TE. After watching the super bowl you can see that the Bills are at least two years away from being able to acquire the talent that is needed make it there. I think AJ McCarron is a better QB than Foles but I like both of those guys as upgrades to Taylor. I think we could make a playoff push in 2018 if we had either of these QB's and make a strong push in 2019 for a super bowl. I think we could copy the Eagles blue print and contend in 2019. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 Brandon Beane seems like a smart guy. They have two 1sts, Glenn and Tyrod as trade bait. I think they get their guy. (Darnold) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cba fan Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 (edited) On 2/9/2018 at 1:32 PM, Stank_Nasty said: from what ive gleaned he should be a go for week 1 but I heard that they shouldn't expect him to be 100%.... I don't think its out of the realm of possibility to see foles for 2 or 3 weeks to give him another month. if ya have that luxury what not use it? I vote with you Stank-Nasty I would not play a ACL recovering franchise QB at less than 100% and risk a Bradford situation. Especially with a Foles sitting on the roster. I mean the Eagles goal right now is to keep their Super Bowl window open and Foles starting for a few and Wentz coming on later seems to be the smartest way to go. Edited February 12, 2018 by cba fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 On 2/9/2018 at 12:31 PM, kdiggz said: Keenum has 1 total outlier season otherwise very comparable to Fitz or other journeyman type QB's like McCown. Might as well get one of them, they will be half the price When I think Keenum, I think of fitz. Keenum might be a bit stockier, and he might have a bit better of an arm, but he invokes a lot of fitz for me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 On 2/9/2018 at 4:11 PM, dave mcbride said: Part of me thinks that there is no way this guy sits on the bench next year. He is far better than a lot of starting QBs, and his performance, in successive weeks, against ATL (a very good game -- 100.1 rating), the #1 defense in Minnesota (which he SHREDDED), and the #5 scoring defense in NE (which he completely shredded too) plus his ridiculous numbers in 2013 seems to suggest that he'll be starting for some team in early September. Production/talent like that can't really sit. He has started 4 playoff games now and has played extremely well in every one of them. They lost 26-24 on the last play of the game (FG) against NO in 2013, so it wasn't like he didn't do his job. He had a rating of 105.0 in that game. In fact, he's never had UNDER a 100 rating in four postseason games. That is ridonkulous. Foles is kind of the Anti-Smith in this regard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreggTX Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 Oh my God NOOOO! Keenum is TT with a MUCH better roster. Even if he is able to continue at the same level, he'll limit our chances of winning a SB. I suspect he'd be overpaid and we'd have to eat a lot of dead money to unload him like when we gave Fitz a long term contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 On February 9, 2018 at 1:50 PM, Call_Of_Ktulu said: Listening on the radio in Chicago because of snow storm. They are talking about how much holding didn't get called on the O-Line during the playoffs. Just another reason to have a QB who can put up big numbers passing the football. The NFL game is now completely and totally offensively focused and driven. It is insane to try and swim against that current and build a Defense that is so dominating it can consistently stop any QB/offense, while neglecting your own offense. It just doesn't make any sense at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 ....what is the over/under on "Bring Him In" threads??................... Report: Bears expected to release Mike Glennon Vincent Frank 1 hr ago The entire Mike Glennon experiment in Chicago lasted all but four starts. Less than a year after signing the career backup to a three-year, $45 million contract, the Bears are expected to move on from Glennon completely this offseason. “The writing is clearly on the wall that Glennon will not be playing in Chicago next season,” ESPN’s Jeff Dickerson reports. Glennon, 28, posted a 1-3 record with four touchdowns and five interceptions in his four starts last season prior to being replaced under center by rookie Mitch Trubisky. The quarterback’s deal called for $18.5 million guaranteed, meaning that the Bears will incur a $4.5 million dead cap hit when they eventually release him this offseason. This also means that the team paid him north of $4.6 million per start during his brief tenure in the Windy City. With a projected cap hit of $16 million in 2018, it’s not a surprise that the Bears would move on from Glennon. Though, it’s a clear indication that the decision to sign him last March was a major mistake for GM Ryan Pace and Co. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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