Stank_Nasty Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 (edited) Looks like the bills cleaned house in afc east offseason awards. they gave us coach of the year, hyde got DMVP and then white ended up rookie of the year. pretty cool read and always nice to finally see good things being written about the team. http://www.espn.com/blog/afceast/post/_/id/86561/bills-breakthrough-season-reflected-in-afc-east-awards and then another article from "espn insider" about re-grading the offseason of each team.... bills come in at the #5 best offseason with an "A-". I did a copy and paste of that one below becuz i imagine not everyone gets insider. i'm sure there will be a handful of people that lose their minds about a certain statement in the last paragragh. but whatever. another positive, and accurate, read on the team. very excited about the future for once!!!! http://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/story/_/id/22113660/nfl-re-grading-every-team-2017-offseason "The grade rises because rookie draft choices Tre'Davious White and Dion Dawkins were immediate contributors in important spots. Both players look like building blocks for new coach Sean McDermott and new general manager Brandon Beane. Fifth-round pick Nathan Peterman did not impress in two starts at quarterback, but he can still be a developmental player. Safety Micah Hyde was the Bills' biggest investment in free agency. He started all 16 games, picked off five passes, earned a Pro Bowl berth and was named second-team All-Pro. The team's other safety addition, Jordan Poyer, matched Hyde with five interceptions, showing again that McDermott knows how to get production from a position he has coached in the past (Kurt Coleman picked off 11 passes for Carolina in 2015-16, when McDermott was the Panthers' defensive coordinator). The decision to bring back Tyrod Taylor was obviously the right one, then and now. Buffalo traded receiver Sammy Watkins and cornerback Ronald Darby after our initial grades were published. The moves smelled of tanking, but Buffalo reached the playoffs and added picks. It helped that E.J. Gaines, acquired from the Rams as part of the Watkins trade, became a solid starter when healthy." Edited January 16, 2018 by Stank_Nasty 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prissythecat Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 3 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said: Looks like the bills cleaned house in afc east offseason awards. they gave us coach of the year, hyde got DMVP and then white end up rookie of the year. pretty cool read and always nice to finally see good things being written about the team. http://www.espn.com/blog/afceast/post/_/id/86561/bills-breakthrough-season-reflected-in-afc-east-awards and then another article from "espn insider" about re-grading the offseason of each team.... bills come in at the #5 best offseason with an "A-". I pasted that one below becuz i imagine not everyone gets insider. i'm sure there will be a handful of people that lose their minds about a certain statement in the last paragragh. but whatever. another positive, and accurate, read on the team. very excited about the future for once!!!! http://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/story/_/id/22113660/nfl-re-grading-every-team-2017-offseason "The grade rises because rookie draft choices Tre'Davious White and Dion Dawkins were immediate contributors in important spots. Both players look like building blocks for new coach Sean McDermott and new general manager Brandon Beane. Fifth-round pick Nathan Peterman did not impress in two starts at quarterback, but he can still be a developmental player. Well apparently Peterman did impress enough posters here =) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corta765 Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 The team and org deserves a lot of credit for the moves they made and the past season. IF...IF...IF (big emphasis here on IF) they can have another good draft/FA period while adding a quality QB the future will be extremely bright long term. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 6 minutes ago, prissythecat said: Well apparently Peterman did impress enough posters here =) Or was it that the posters thought we’d be better off with a QB playing QB as opposed to a RB playing QB? More likely. The unknown entity is sometimes more appreciated than the known entity when the known entity is known to suck. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted January 16, 2018 Author Share Posted January 16, 2018 6 minutes ago, corta765 said: The team and org deserves a lot of credit for the moves they made and the past season. IF...IF...IF (big emphasis here on IF) they can have another good draft/FA period while adding a quality QB the future will be extremely bright long term. agree 100%. i'm cautiously optimistic that this last season wasn't beginners luck and we MIGHT actually have some guys that can take the bills to the promised land Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobillsinytown Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 8 minutes ago, corta765 said: The team and org deserves a lot of credit for the moves they made and the past season. IF...IF...IF (big emphasis here on IF) they can have another good draft/FA period while adding a quality QB the future will be extremely bright long term. I think this is going to be where the staff earns its pay (or not). If they nail the majority of the draft and plug in the right free agents, they'll take the next step. So far they've shown that they can make pretty good draft and free agent choices. This upcoming draft and FA period is "make or break" IMO. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corta765 Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, gobillsinytown said: I think this is going to be where the staff earns its pay (or not). If they nail the majority of the draft and plug in the right free agents, they'll take the next step. So far they've shown that they can make pretty good draft and free agent choices. This upcoming draft and FA period is "make or break" IMO. Agreed 100%. Especially because you figure McD will get at least now 3 more years. Well the foundation of his team will be the 17 draft and this upcoming 18 draft plus FA/UDFA additions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefenseWins Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 Beane and McD deserve credit for the moves they have made. I have to admit being somewhat amazed that they were able to rebuild the secondary so quickly. They were able to take what I felt has been a weakness and turned it into a strength. They were able to get rid of Darby and Gilmore who IMO are both overpaid underachievers. White and Gaines played very well and Hyde with Poyer are about as good a safety pair as you can hope for. Frankly, I would have voted for the pair as co/DMVP. Now if only Beane/McD can find/draft one of these top 4 QBs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 "winning now and winning in the future" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heavy Kevi Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 11 minutes ago, John from Hemet said: "winning now and winning in the future" When he said that, everyone (myself included) thought they were mutually exclusive. They proved they could do it. I'm shocked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 Reading the comments on that awards post.... Patriots fans really do not like to give credit to anyone else, do they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted January 16, 2018 Author Share Posted January 16, 2018 9 minutes ago, Shotgunner said: When he said that, everyone (myself included) thought they were mutually exclusive. They proved they could do it. I'm shocked. i'll admit I was fairly irritated by that statement back in august. LOL. 3 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: Reading the comments on that awards post.... Patriots fans really do not like to give credit to anyone else, do they? couple of butt hurt fins and jets fans in there too.... just having a really hard time thinking the bills did anything better than them. they'll get used to it soon enough. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: Reading the comments on that awards post.... Patriots fans really do not like to give credit to anyone else, do they? the only asses they kiss are their own WHY did the OP not go further with this??? Coach of the Year -- Bills' Sean McDermott: If Bills fans were ready to put Andy Dalton's name on the New Era Field wall of fame after Buffalo made the playoffs for the first time since 1999, then McDermott should have a statue erected in front of the stadium. The shortcomings of the team are more reason to consider McDermott for NFL Coach of the Year -- not just in the AFC East. He squeezed nine wins out of a team that was projected by most to win between five and seven. He dealt with the loss of talent (Sammy Watkins, Robert Woods, Stephon Gilmore and Marcell Dareus) but managed to get the most out of his players by focusing on the daily process of what it takes to win in the NFL. -- Mike Rodak Edited January 16, 2018 by ShadyBillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted January 16, 2018 Author Share Posted January 16, 2018 (edited) 13 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: the only asses they kiss are their own WHY did the OP not go further with this??? Coach of the Year -- Bills' Sean McDermott: If Bills fans were ready to put Andy Dalton's name on the New Era Field wall of fame after Buffalo made the playoffs for the first time since 1999, then McDermott should have a statue erected in front of the stadium. The shortcomings of the team are more reason to consider McDermott for NFL Coach of the Year -- not just in the AFC East. He squeezed nine wins out of a team that was projected by most to win between five and seven. He dealt with the loss of talent (Sammy Watkins, Robert Woods, Stephon Gilmore and Marcell Dareus) but managed to get the most out of his players by focusing on the daily process of what it takes to win in the NFL. -- Mike Rodak what do you even mean "why wouldn't the OP go further into this?". its a click away dude. I didn't copy and paste anything from the first link becuz you could click on it and it was available to the public. I copy and pasted the 2nd one becuz it was closed to people that didn't have insider access. that sum it up for ya? Edited January 16, 2018 by Stank_Nasty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted January 16, 2018 Author Share Posted January 16, 2018 1 minute ago, ShadyBillsFan said: odd I read most if not all of it w/o needing special access. well the for insiders they usually flash the top of the article and then cut it off..... I cant tell when that cut off is becuz I subscribe and just always have access to the whole thing so I made sure everyone could see by pasting it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 16 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said: what do you even mean "why wouldn't the OP go further into this?". its a click away dude. sure it is. I had read the full article myself before I noticed this thread. those "insiders" can keep their stories. you can find it all for free today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted January 16, 2018 Author Share Posted January 16, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: sure it is. I had read the full article myself before I noticed this thread. I don't even know what you are trying to get at here..... I posted to links to positive things said about our bills. one of which I pasted becuz it called for insider access. good talk, bruh. Edited January 16, 2018 by Stank_Nasty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 I think you are looking for snark when there isn't any. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted January 16, 2018 Author Share Posted January 16, 2018 1 minute ago, ShadyBillsFan said: I think you are looking for snark when there isn't any. that's apparently how i'm reading it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 I don't want ESPNS love. No means no. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 9 minutes ago, TheTruthHurts said: I don't want ESPNS love. No means no. #meetoo #timesup 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 2 hours ago, NewEra said: Or was it that the posters thought we’d be better off with a QB playing QB as opposed to a RB playing QB? More likely. The unknown entity is sometimes more appreciated than the known entity when the known entity is known to suck. I'd agree if we got a QB not a jugs machine for opposing backs to practice with. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 3 hours ago, corta765 said: The team and org deserves a lot of credit for the moves they made and the past season. IF...IF...IF (big emphasis here on IF) they can have another good draft/FA period while adding a quality QB the future will be extremely bright long term. IMO this FO is going to get a lot of judgement based on how Dareus plays the next few years, what they do with Jordan Matthews, and this upcoming draft. I believe Poyer and Hyde were Whaley signings. If Dareus is lights out next season, it is going to hurt. No Beane last draft, but I do give McDermott quite a bit of credit for this draft. However we have an ENTIRELY NEW FO since draft day. We traded away some talent this year leaving more holes. We HAVE to hit it out of the park this year. This is the first draft for this FO, a lot is on the line with a lot of question marks. If Matthews is allowed to walk and/or is not productive here, the Darby trade is going to look silly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 take whatever positive national media spin that can be gleaned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 2 hours ago, DefenseWins said: Beane and McD deserve credit for the moves they have made. I have to admit being somewhat amazed that they were able to rebuild the secondary so quickly. They were able to take what I felt has been a weakness and turned it into a strength. They were able to get rid of Darby and Gilmore who IMO are both overpaid underachievers. White and Gaines played very well and Hyde with Poyer are about as good a safety pair as you can hope for. Frankly, I would have voted for the pair as co/DMVP. Now if only Beane/McD can find/draft one of these top 4 QBs... Do people even flash neurons at some of what they write here? I agree that McBeane deserve credit for rebuilding the secondary and bringing in some quality depth on D. If they thought they could find players who did as well or better, woot! They did it. So I have no quarrel with them for moving on from Gilmore and trading Darby. But Darby was on his freakin' rookie contract. He's getting $800k this year and had no dead cap. That's practically minimum salary. And the guy's contributing on the team contending for the NFC championship, it's hard to say he's underachieving for his rate of pay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted January 16, 2018 Author Share Posted January 16, 2018 4 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Do people even flash neurons at some of what they write here? I agree that McBeane deserve credit for rebuilding the secondary and bringing in some quality depth on D. If they thought they could find players who did as well or better, woot! They did it. So I have no quarrel with them for moving on from Gilmore and trading Darby. But Darby was on his freakin' rookie contract. He's getting $800k this year and had no dead cap. That's practically minimum salary. And the guy's contributing on the team contending for the NFC championship, it's hard to say he's underachieving for his rate of pay. I noticed that too. but I was just gonna let it lie. haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Mango said: IMO this FO is going to get a lot of judgement based on how Dareus plays the next few years, what they do with Jordan Matthews, and this upcoming draft. (...) If Dareus is lights out next season, it is going to hurt. If Dareus is lights out next season, I think fans have to treat this like the case of an ex-lover who treated you like crap, and is now all Little Ms (or Mr) Right for somebody else. Yeah, it sucks that they couldn't hold down a job, show up for your dates on time, and make heads turn when they got there instead of ordering crap of HSN in their PJs on your credit, standing you up, and slouching into the bar in their Kmart sweats with lank greasy hair. But the fact is, whatever the reason, they did not have their act together for you and were not going to give you their best, so Get Over Them and move on. I came to this realization whilst butt-hurt over Lynch. Well that, and in Dareus case, it might help that he's playing now with two all-pro DLmen. Edited January 16, 2018 by Hapless Bills Fan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 3 out of 4 in the AFC is pretty good! This offseason is crucial. We need to Find a QB and build in the draft and FA with quality players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 Also posted in that article: cool look into part of the 'process'- http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=21993855 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 1 hour ago, Stank_Nasty said: that's apparently how i'm reading it. I thought McD does deserves credit and you showed detail on the latter, which you have now explained why No snark intended Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 Didn't even mention rookie Milano. Instant contributor there as well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 2 hours ago, DefenseWins said: Beane and McD deserve credit for the moves they have made. I have to admit being somewhat amazed that they were able to rebuild the secondary so quickly. They were able to take what I felt has been a weakness and turned it into a strength. They were able to get rid of Darby and Gilmore who IMO are both overpaid underachievers. White and Gaines played very well and Hyde with Poyer are about as good a safety pair as you can hope for. Frankly, I would have voted for the pair as co/DMVP. Now if only Beane/McD can find/draft one of these top 4 QBs... I don't think anybody is lamenting the loss of Gilmore. Decent CB, sure. Too expensive for output, yes. I will say he is having a good season, after a very rocky start. But I don't think the Bills should have paid him that. Darby? That does not make any sense. He has showed tremendous promise, and is playing at high level, and in the NFC Championship game next weekend. Beane was not in house for the Hyde/Poyer signings. That was Whaley. It is really weird to me to see Rodak give credit to McBeane for doing well despite adversity/holes in the roster. When they themselves are responsible for not having Watkins, Dareus, or Darby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianFan Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 3 hours ago, gobillsinytown said: I think this is going to be where the staff earns its pay (or not). If they nail the majority of the draft and plug in the right free agents, they'll take the next step. So far they've shown that they can make pretty good draft and free agent choices. This upcoming draft and FA period is "make or break" IMO. Beane was not here for the draft nor most of the FA signings. Beane's biggest FA signing was - BOLDIN!!!! So why are people giving credit to Beane for something he hasn't DONE, I don't know. His biggest trad acquisition - Kelvin Benjamin. Who caught 16 passes! AMAZING IMPACT on the 2nd worst passing offense in the league! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, CanadianFan said: Beane was not here for the draft nor most of the FA signings. Beane's biggest FA signing was - BOLDIN!!!! So why are people giving credit to Beane for something he hasn't DONE, I don't know. His biggest trad acquisition - Kelvin Benjamin. Who caught 16 passes! AMAZING IMPACT on the 2nd worst passing offense in the league! They aren't and that's why Boldin was listed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted January 16, 2018 Author Share Posted January 16, 2018 (edited) 58 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: I thought McD does deserves credit and you showed detail on the latter, which you have now explained why No snark intended right on. misunderstanding. 38 minutes ago, CanadianFan said: Beane was not here for the draft nor most of the FA signings. Beane's biggest FA signing was - BOLDIN!!!! So why are people giving credit to Beane for something he hasn't DONE, I don't know. His biggest trad acquisition - Kelvin Benjamin. Who caught 16 passes! AMAZING IMPACT on the 2nd worst passing offense in the league! dude... whoa.... chill man... talk about really random rant of the day. and I give him credit for seeing we could aquire valuable assets for the upcoming draft while still being able to win games. seriously man.... you gotta take a breath here. Edited January 16, 2018 by Stank_Nasty 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 6 hours ago, prissythecat said: Well apparently Peterman did impress enough posters here =) I would like to see any rookie QB make his 1st start at the Chargers then play in 3 ft of snow and then get thrust into action with everything riding on it. I would say those are the worst possible scenarios for a rookie QB to fail. Taylor played the worst playoff game that I have ever seen a QB play. I would rather Peterman stared that game because I called it right on the money. I said the Jags defense would have tight coverage on our WR's which in turn would make him check down and play ultra conservative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, CanadianFan said: Beane was not here for the draft nor most of the FA signings. Beane's biggest FA signing was - BOLDIN!!!! So why are people giving credit to Beane for something he hasn't DONE, I don't know. His biggest trad acquisition - Kelvin Benjamin. Who caught 16 passes! AMAZING IMPACT on the 2nd worst passing offense in the league! I don’t know if everyone considers Boldin to be his biggest FA signing. Deonte Thompson was signed as an FA in mid-October, played in 12 games, and had about 150 fewer yards than Watkins had in 16. his “biggest” trade acquisition, unless you are referring to height, is easily EJ Gaines, not Kelvin Benjamin. If you are considering impact on the 2017 season. Imo Edited January 17, 2018 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prissythecat Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 53 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: I would like to see any rookie QB make his 1st start at the Chargers then play in 3 ft of snow and then get thrust into action with everything riding on it. I would say those are the worst possible scenarios for a rookie QB to fail. Taylor played the worst playoff game that I have ever seen a QB play. I would rather Peterman stared that game because I called it right on the money. I said the Jags defense would have tight coverage on our WR's which in turn would make him check down and play ultra conservative. If Peterman started and played in that game, he may very well have crushed the record for interceptions in a playoff game. Jags corners are pretty talented Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 17 minutes ago, prissythecat said: If Peterman started and played in that game, he may very well have crushed the record for interceptions in a playoff game. Jags corners are pretty talented IIRC 37 passes by TT 1 INT. 20 of them not caught more than half off target Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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