Johnny Hammersticks Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 1 minute ago, Badthingsman said: Congratulations. You can copy others material. That's deep. Hey, it’s your thread dude. Let us know what you’re going to do with our ‘18 UFAs and I’ll give you feedback. What the hell? Need me to create your threads for you from now on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irv Posted January 8, 2018 Author Share Posted January 8, 2018 1 minute ago, Formerly Allan in MD said: You're getting rid of over half the team, including contributors like Schmidt, depth guys, and developing players like Zay Jones, but keeping Jordan Mills? And would you please explain why Taylor stays. I cut him. Read again. Lots of punters out there. Just now, Johnny Hammersticks said: Hey, it’s your thread dude. Let us know what you’re going to do with our ‘18 UFAs and I’ll give you feedback. What the hell? Need me to create your threads for you from now on? Send me another thing you copied and pasted. Have you ever created a thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 2 minutes ago, Badthingsman said: Send me another thing you copied and pasted. Have you ever created a thread? Okay. It’s clear that we’re dealing with a borderline window licker here. Good luck with this awesome thread. Bye bye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 Just now, Johnny Hammersticks said: Okay. It’s clear that we’re dealing with a borderline window licker here. Good luck with this awesome thread. Bye bye. Borderline? That's being generous ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irv Posted January 8, 2018 Author Share Posted January 8, 2018 Just now, Johnny Hammersticks said: Okay. It’s clear that we’re dealing with a borderline window licker here. Good luck with this awesome thread. Bye bye. So you only bash others. No original ideas. Bye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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WMDman Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 Badthingsman?!? More like BadThreadsMan, amirite?!?!? 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transient Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 33 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: Okay. It’s clear that we’re dealing with a borderline window licker here. Good luck with this awesome thread. Bye bye. Is it really that clear? How can you be so sure we're not dealing with a schizotypal armpit sniffer? Or a narcisistic paste eater? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irv Posted January 9, 2018 Author Share Posted January 9, 2018 The list is a good one. I don't see myself making any changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloMatt Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 3 hours ago, Badthingsman said: Here is the current roster including the injured and practice squad. A couple of tough decisions, but not many. I cleaned the clock pretty good so will need to grab quite a few special teams players. Name Status Alexander, Lorenzo Keep Anderson, Colt Let Go Benjamin, Kelvin Keep Borders, Breon Let Go Bray, Quan Let Go Brown, Preston Keep Butler, Jeremy Let Go Cadet, Travaris Let Go Capi, Cap Let Go Carter, Cory Let Go Clay, Charles Let Go Croom, Jason Let Go Davis, Ryan Keep Dawkins, Dion Keep DiMarco, Patrick Let Go Ducasse, Vladimir Keep Dupre, Malachi Let Go Ferguson, Reid Let Go Gaines, E.J. Keep Glenn, Cordy Let Go Green, Aaron Let Go Groy, Ryan Keep Hatley, Rickey Let Go Hauschka, Stephen Keep Henderson, Seantrel Let Go Holmes, Andre Let Go Hughes, Jerry Keep Humber, Ramon Let Go Hyde, Micah Keep Incognito, Richie Keep James, Josh Let Go Johnson, Leonard Let Go Jones, Taiwan Let Go Jones, Zay Let Go Lacey, Deon Let Go Lawson, Shaq Keep Lee, Khari Let Go Lewis, Marquavius Let Go Marlowe, Dean Let Go Matthews, Jordan Let Go McCoy, LeSean Keep McDermott, Conor Let Go Milano, Matt Keep Miller, John Let Go Mills, Jordan Keep Murphy, Marcus Let Go O'Leary, Nick Keep Peterman, Nathan Let Go Pitts, Lafayette Let Go Poyer, Jordan Keep Redmond, Adam Let Go Reilly, Brandon Let Go Schmidt, Colton Let Go Tate, Brandon Let Go Taylor, Tyrod Let Go Thomas, Logan Let Go Thomas, Shamarko Let Go Thompson, Deonte Let Go Thornton, Cedric Let Go Tolbert, Mike Let Go Towbridge, Keith Let Go Vallejo, Tanner Let Go Washington, Adolphus Keep Webb, Joe Let Go Wesley, De'Ondre Let Go White, Tre'Davious Keep Williams, Kyle Let Go Wood, Eric Keep Woodson-Luster, Xavier Let Go Wright, Shareece Let Go Yarbrough, Eddie Keep Wow, were you flipping a coin when you did this? 12 minutes ago, Badthingsman said: The list is a good one. I don't see myself making any changes. Really? I just don't get how you made decisions on all these players. Picked out of a hat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuoteTheRaven83 Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Stopped reading after you said keep Ducasse 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwai San Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, jmc12290 said: I enjoy it when so much work goes behind what constitutes an obvious list of knee-jerk decisions. Charles Clay not on this roster costs exactly the same amount as he does, so why would we create a hole for zero cap savings. F-, see me after class. Well put......dude was into his cups when making this list up! That being said there were some names I didn't even know if there!!! Cap Capi?!?!? Go Bills 2 hours ago, Badthingsman said: Yes. There are a million punters out there cheaper and better. DUDE!!! Put. Down. The. Pipe!!!!! Good lord man - if there were 30 out there better and cheaper they would be on a roster......this ain't RB's we are talking about here man, these guys are NOT a dime a dozen by any stretch. One game bad game makes me mad but to let him go over essentially 2 bad punts in crummy weather conditions?? Come on! Just for arguments sake - name 10 better cheaper punters out there - OK 10 is proally too many - how about 5?? 2???? No where near you million by any stretch. Go Bills Edited January 9, 2018 by Kwai San Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEN-CAL17 Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Preston Brown will not be kept, 100% positive. He’s soft, has zero play making ability, slow, liability in coverage and just isn’t the right fit. Hes a free agent and will be looking to get $5-6M per... not happening. Not hating on the guy, he just not the best man for the Job. There are some super athletic LBs, fast with done playmaker ability to be had in the first 50 picks. At a Beane price tag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Troll thread... Attica Arnold? 3 minutes ago, 1ZAYDAY1 said: Preston Brown will not be kept, 100% positive. He’s soft, has zero play making ability, slow, liability in coverage and just isn’t the right fit. Hes a free agent and will be looking to get $5-6M per... not happening. Not hating on the guy, he just not the best man for the Job. There are some super athletic LBs, fast with done playmaker ability to be had in the first 50 picks. At a Beane price tag Agreed. I don’t think he’s terrible, and would love to keep him for SLB depth, but he’ll be asking for more than we are willing to pay. He’ll get starter $ somewhere else after leading the league in tackling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
re enlightener Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 keep- enlightener, boys62, 20 years of fanhood, and all the rest i cant think of... let go- Badthingsman, SaviorPeterman, ryan L billz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 3 hours ago, Shotgunner said: If he wants to play, I think he would restructure. He's not going to play somewhere else. He is an UFA - he does not need to restructure. He is free to sign a new contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 3 hours ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: Why are we only keeping 22 members of a playoff roster and letting go of 31, several of which are under contract and would actually cost us money to cut? That's an easy one to answer, cause the OP is either an idiot, a troll or a 7 year old. Take your pick Smart way to run a team, draft rookie,s if they don't make the All Pro first year get rid of them, they're no good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irv Posted January 9, 2018 Author Share Posted January 9, 2018 9 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: That's an easy one to answer, cause the OP is either an idiot, a troll or a 7 year old. Take your pick Smart way to run a team, draft rookie,s if they don't make the All Pro first year get rid of them, they're no good You don't have to call names. Let's see your list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yungmack Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 I know this will never happen -- too many players to be replaced, cap and contract money difficulties, etc. -- but a wholesale house cleaning is very attractive and might do a world of good. Bold to cut Clay, Matthews, Thompson and Zay but I agree. I'd also send Benjamin on his way. If Glenn is healthy I keep him. Same for Henderson. If Kyle wants to play another year, I keep him, largely because it's too big a "lift" to work in two brand new starting DTs. I think you make a rational (and unpopular with a certain segment around here) decision to keep Brown, Lawson and Washington. But the one bit of "crazy" that I don't understand is cutting Schmidt. Can you explain how you arrived at that choice? Nice piece of analysis all in all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Badthingsman said: You don't have to call names. Let's see your list. When you take a team that went to the playoff and cut 49 players and keep 22, that is just ridiculous and can't be taken very seriously. Your cutting the 2nd round pick after one season. LOL Edited January 9, 2018 by Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 2 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: When you take a team that went to the playoff and cut 49 players and keep 22, that is just ridiculous and can't be taken very seriously. Stop feeding the trolls. TSW has been inundated with this crap lately. So dull. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 I would not let Clay go. He is a competent QB away from being a top 10 tight end Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan692 Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Trading ZayJones is ridiculous. First of all we traded up for him but more importantly it was only his rookie season! Honestly that is laughable I would keep clay and zay Benjamin and McCoy and id try to get a stud in free agency wr, I hope we go for cousins. I want Alex Smith like I want herpes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WMDman Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 People need to be patient with Zay...look at Agholor in Philadelphia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Let's start with TT Ducasse Tolbert DiMarco You guys can fight over the 2nd-3rd string guys. 12 minutes ago, BillsFan692 said: Trading ZayJones is ridiculous. First of all we traded up for him but more importantly it was only his rookie season! Honestly that is laughable I would keep clay and zay Benjamin and McCoy and id try to get a stud in free agency wr, I hope we go for cousins. I want Alex Smith like I want herpes. Cousins is not worth a penny over 25, he'll want 34. Forget it. Rent Alex Smith for a year while we develop Allen, Mayfield or Rudolph....keep Peterman as #3 insurance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 3 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: Let's start with TT Ducasse Tolbert DiMarco You guys can fight over the 2nd-3rd string guys. TT is gone. Ducasse stays. They have him on the cheap until 2020. Tolbert is gone, hopefully. DiMarco I’d release. 1.5 mill dead cap figure, but I think we can do better. He’s been underwhelming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubba Gump Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Thank God this pillow biter isn't running the Bills. He would make a 17 year drought seem like a week. SMH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 (edited) 7 hours ago, Badthingsman said: Here is the current roster including the injured and practice squad. A couple of tough decisions, but not many. I cleaned the clock pretty good so will need to grab quite a few special teams players. Name Status Alexander, Lorenzo Keep Anderson, Colt Let Go Benjamin, Kelvin Keep Borders, Breon Let Go Bray, Quan Let Go Brown, Preston Keep Butler, Jeremy Let Go Cadet, Travaris Let Go Capi, Cap Let Go Carter, Cory Let Go Clay, Charles Let Go Croom, Jason Let Go Davis, Ryan Keep Dawkins, Dion Keep DiMarco, Patrick Let Go Ducasse, Vladimir Keep Dupre, Malachi Let Go Ferguson, Reid Let Go Gaines, E.J. Keep Glenn, Cordy Let Go Green, Aaron Let Go Groy, Ryan Keep Hatley, Rickey Let Go Hauschka, Stephen Keep Henderson, Seantrel Let Go Holmes, Andre Let Go Hughes, Jerry Keep Humber, Ramon Let Go Hyde, Micah Keep Incognito, Richie Keep James, Josh Let Go Johnson, Leonard Let Go Jones, Taiwan Let Go Jones, Zay Let Go Lacey, Deon Let Go Lawson, Shaq Keep Lee, Khari Let Go Lewis, Marquavius Let Go Marlowe, Dean Let Go Matthews, Jordan Let Go McCoy, LeSean Keep McDermott, Conor Let Go Milano, Matt Keep Miller, John Let Go Mills, Jordan Keep Murphy, Marcus Let Go O'Leary, Nick Keep Peterman, Nathan Let Go Pitts, Lafayette Let Go Poyer, Jordan Keep Redmond, Adam Let Go Reilly, Brandon Let Go Schmidt, Colton Let Go Tate, Brandon Let Go Taylor, Tyrod Let Go Thomas, Logan Let Go Thomas, Shamarko Let Go Thompson, Deonte Let Go Thornton, Cedric Let Go Tolbert, Mike Let Go Towbridge, Keith Let Go Vallejo, Tanner Let Go Washington, Adolphus Keep Webb, Joe Let Go Wesley, De'Ondre Let Go White, Tre'Davious Keep Williams, Kyle Let Go Wood, Eric Keep Woodson-Luster, Xavier Let Go Wright, Shareece Let Go Yarbrough, Eddie Keep Your approach seems to be to get rid of everyone you haven't heard of. But on a well-run team, it's those unheralded depth guys, properly developed, who become next year or the year after starters and keep the salary cap in balance. In particular, a lot of these are guys Beane and McDermott brought in, so if they're all worthless, we're in deep deep doodoo. Getting rid of Colton Schmidt, who was arguably our MVP as punter at times, and Reid Ferguson, who has done a capable job as our LS and is signed to an entirely reasonable contract through 2018, is particularly puzzling. 7 hours ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: Why are we only keeping 22 members of a playoff roster and letting go of 31, several of which are under contract and would actually cost us money to cut? Indeed, LOL! Especially let's cut a 2nd round rookie because he had a bad year, LOL. Cutting Zay Jones would cost us $3M and save us -$1.5M while keeping him is $770k salary. Keep! As a purely practical matter, the Bills have $38M in salary cap right now. Cutting Charles Clay (leading our passing yards btw), Cordy Glenn, Tyrod Taylor, Patrick Dimarco, and Andre Holmes would generate $30M of dead cap (accelerated bonuses or guaranteed money) while saving $15.4M. Then there are a number of guys labeled "Keep" who must be resigned - Preston Brown, EJ Gaines - and a bunch of guys to replace on DL, OL, LB, WR who can't all be rookies. I don't think we're going to generate $33M dead cap while saving only $13M, resign or sign replacements, sign our rookies, etc etc. Clay in particular makes no sense to cut this year - he's produced, and he generates $0 savings and $9 M cap hit. Cordy Glenn and Tyrod Taylor are the most likely veteran cuts from a cap perspective. As a constructive suggestion, BadThingsMan, you might want to pull aside the 3 ST "must haves" (K, P, LS). Then separate your list into free agents (who cost us nothing to walk, but must be resigned if kept) and players under contract (who have a dead money hit from amortized bonuses and a savings from salary). Edited January 9, 2018 by Hapless Bills Fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
folz Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Good topic to start the offseason OP, but you do have to at least think about who is under contract, who's a FA, etc. The following list isn't exhaustive because there are a lot of role players, depth players, and young guys that I just don't know enough about, and I'm not looking much at salary cap/money, but at least it takes into account FAs, etc. and may be a better jumping off point for discussion: Unrestricted Free Agents Kyle Williams DT If he wants back in, I'm all for it, would probably take a team friendly deal Jordan Matthews WR If he doesn't cost too much, I say bring him back (2nd best WR on the team currently) Shareece Wright CB Let go Brandon Tate WR Let go Mike Tolbert RB Let go Ramon Humber LB Could be back if contract is reasonable as depth, but won't overpay as LB will be addressed in offseason Joe Webb QB Let go Leonard Johnson CB Bring him back Cedric Thornton DT Let go Taiwan Jones RB Let go Shamarko Thomas S Let go Travaris Cadet RB Let go Deonte Thompson WR Let go Preston Brown LB Let go E.J. Gaines CB Sign him Seantrell Henderson OT Let go Restricted Free Agents Logan Thomas TE Tender Jeremy Butler WR No Tender Nick O'Leary TE Tender 2nd Year Players (Won't give up on 2017 draftees yet) Tre White CB Keep Zay Jones WR Keep Dion Dawkins OT Keep Matt Milano LB Keep Nathan Peterman QB Keep Tanner Vallejo LB Keep Also Under Contract---(ps) denotes player currently on the practice squad ???? don't know enough about the player...could stay or go depending on how the coaches feel about them, most will probably be here through spring at least Alexander, Lorenzo LB Keep Anderson, Colt S Let Go (too many injuries) Benjamin, Kelvin WR Keep Borders, Breon CB ???? Bray, Quan WR (ps) ???? Capi, Cap DE Keep Carter, Cory P (ps) Let go Clay, Charles TE Keep Croom, Jason TE (ps) ???? Davis, Ryan DE Keep DiMarco, Patrick FB Keep Ducasse, Vladimir OG Could keep (as backup only-upgrade needed) Dupre, Malachi WR ???? Ferguson, Reid LS Keep Glenn, Cordy OT Let Go (if it helps cap and/or coaches are sold on Dion at LT rather than RT) Green, Aaron RB (ps) ???? Groy, Ryan C/OG Keep Hatley, Rickey DT ???? Hauschka, Stephen K Keep Holmes, Andre WR Let Go Hughes, Jerry DE Keep Hyde, Micah S Keep Incognito, Richie OG Keep James, Josh OT (ps) ???? Lacey, Deon LB ???? Lawson, Shaq DE Keep Lee, Khari TE ???? Lewis, Marquavius DE (ps) ???? Marlowe, Dean S (ps) ???? McCoy, LeSean RB Keep McDermott, Conor OT Keep Miller, John OG Let Go (Is he really worse than Ducasse?) Mills, Jordan OT Keep (swing tackle...hopefully RT is upgraded) Murphy, Marcus RB Keep (at least through the spring to see what he's got) Pitts, Lafayette CB Let Go Poyer, Jordan S Keep Redmond, Adam C (ps) ???? Reilly, Brandon WR Keep Schmidt, Colton P Keep Taylor, Tyrod QB Let Go Towbridge, Keith TE ???? Washington, Adolphus DT Keep Wesley, De'Ondre OT (ps) ???? Wood, Eric C Keep Woodson-Luster, Xavier LB (ps) ???? Yarbrough, Eddie DE Keep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Wow, I tried to go through your list, but you let go WAY too many people. Zay Jones? He is a rookie! You have to bring guys back until you have a viable replacement. You can't just clean house again. We did that in 2017, pretty much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Im not sure there are enough catholic free agents and or former panthers to back fill that many cuts. 5 hours ago, WMDman said: People need to be patient with Zay...look at Agholor in Philadelphia He can be a very good WR in this league. Just have to fix the hands/head issue this off season.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irv Posted January 9, 2018 Author Share Posted January 9, 2018 5 hours ago, folz said: Good topic to start the offseason OP, but you do have to at least think about who is under contract, who's a FA, etc. The following list isn't exhaustive because there are a lot of role players, depth players, and young guys that I just don't know enough about, and I'm not looking much at salary cap/money, but at least it takes into account FAs, etc. and may be a better jumping off point for discussion: Unrestricted Free Agents Kyle Williams DT If he wants back in, I'm all for it, would probably take a team friendly deal Jordan Matthews WR If he doesn't cost too much, I say bring him back (2nd best WR on the team currently) Shareece Wright CB Let go Brandon Tate WR Let go Mike Tolbert RB Let go Ramon Humber LB Could be back if contract is reasonable as depth, but won't overpay as LB will be addressed in offseason Joe Webb QB Let go Leonard Johnson CB Bring him back Cedric Thornton DT Let go Taiwan Jones RB Let go Shamarko Thomas S Let go Travaris Cadet RB Let go Deonte Thompson WR Let go Preston Brown LB Let go E.J. Gaines CB Sign him Seantrell Henderson OT Let go Restricted Free Agents Logan Thomas TE Tender Jeremy Butler WR No Tender Nick O'Leary TE Tender 2nd Year Players (Won't give up on 2017 draftees yet) Tre White CB Keep Zay Jones WR Keep Dion Dawkins OT Keep Matt Milano LB Keep Nathan Peterman QB Keep Tanner Vallejo LB Keep Also Under Contract---(ps) denotes player currently on the practice squad ???? don't know enough about the player...could stay or go depending on how the coaches feel about them, most will probably be here through spring at least Alexander, Lorenzo LB Keep Anderson, Colt S Let Go (too many injuries) Benjamin, Kelvin WR Keep Borders, Breon CB ???? Bray, Quan WR (ps) ???? Capi, Cap DE Keep Carter, Cory P (ps) Let go Clay, Charles TE Keep Croom, Jason TE (ps) ???? Davis, Ryan DE Keep DiMarco, Patrick FB Keep Ducasse, Vladimir OG Could keep (as backup only-upgrade needed) Dupre, Malachi WR ???? Ferguson, Reid LS Keep Glenn, Cordy OT Let Go (if it helps cap and/or coaches are sold on Dion at LT rather than RT) Green, Aaron RB (ps) ???? Groy, Ryan C/OG Keep Hatley, Rickey DT ???? Hauschka, Stephen K Keep Holmes, Andre WR Let Go Hughes, Jerry DE Keep Hyde, Micah S Keep Incognito, Richie OG Keep James, Josh OT (ps) ???? Lacey, Deon LB ???? Lawson, Shaq DE Keep Lee, Khari TE ???? Lewis, Marquavius DE (ps) ???? Marlowe, Dean S (ps) ???? McCoy, LeSean RB Keep McDermott, Conor OT Keep Miller, John OG Let Go (Is he really worse than Ducasse?) Mills, Jordan OT Keep (swing tackle...hopefully RT is upgraded) Murphy, Marcus RB Keep (at least through the spring to see what he's got) Pitts, Lafayette CB Let Go Poyer, Jordan S Keep Redmond, Adam C (ps) ???? Reilly, Brandon WR Keep Schmidt, Colton P Keep Taylor, Tyrod QB Let Go Towbridge, Keith TE ???? Washington, Adolphus DT Keep Wesley, De'Ondre OT (ps) ???? Wood, Eric C Keep Woodson-Luster, Xavier LB (ps) ???? Yarbrough, Eddie DE Keep Finally someone who has an original thought! Zay Jones is not the answer. He could not get open. The handful of times he did get open he turned into Roberto Duran. Move on. Schmidt can go. Clay needs to go. Injured and over paid. Logan Thomas? C'mon. So far my list stays solid. 12 hours ago, yungmack said: I know this will never happen -- too many players to be replaced, cap and contract money difficulties, etc. -- but a wholesale house cleaning is very attractive and might do a world of good. Bold to cut Clay, Matthews, Thompson and Zay but I agree. I'd also send Benjamin on his way. If Glenn is healthy I keep him. Same for Henderson. If Kyle wants to play another year, I keep him, largely because it's too big a "lift" to work in two brand new starting DTs. I think you make a rational (and unpopular with a certain segment around here) decision to keep Brown, Lawson and Washington. But the one bit of "crazy" that I don't understand is cutting Schmidt. Can you explain how you arrived at that choice? Nice piece of analysis all in all. Thank you for the kind words. Punters are replaceable. It's a toss up between Dennison and Schmidt if you had to pinpoint who lost the game for us on Sunday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 4 minutes ago, Badthingsman said: Finally someone who has an original thought! Zay Jones is not the answer. He could not get open. The handful of times he did get open he turned into Roberto Duran. Move on. Schmidt can go. Clay needs to go. Injured and over paid. Logan Thomas? C'mon. So far my list stays solid. Thank you for the kind words. Punters are replaceable. It's a toss up between Dennison and Schmidt if you had to pinpoint who lost the game for us on Sunday. You are blaming Schmidt for our loss when we scored 3 points? You're not serious are you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irv Posted January 9, 2018 Author Share Posted January 9, 2018 1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said: You are blaming Schmidt for our loss when we scored 3 points? You're not serious are you? I just did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 1 minute ago, Badthingsman said: I just did. It's pretty bizarre. One punt was the biggest difference in the game....that's pretty amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irv Posted January 9, 2018 Author Share Posted January 9, 2018 51 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: It's pretty bizarre. One punt was the biggest difference in the game....that's pretty amazing. I know I agree. It was a turning point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Just now, Badthingsman said: I know I agree. It was a turning point. You know I wasn't agree with you. We're you expecting to win the game 3-0 or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irv Posted January 9, 2018 Author Share Posted January 9, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: You know I wasn't agree with you. We're you expecting to win the game 3-0 or something? Oh. My bad. I thought we were agreeing on how that punt hurt us so badly. Take away the awful punt and run the ball on first and goal from the 1 and we win. So I guess we agree the punt plus the horrible play calling contributed equally to the loss. 17 hours ago, Woodman19 said: So you are going to bring in 30 new players in a single offseason? Yes. They did 38 last year including in-season trades and moves. Edited January 9, 2018 by Badthingsman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Just now, Badthingsman said: Oh. My bad. I thought we were agreeing on how that punt hurt us so badly. Take away the awful punt and run the ball on first and goal from the 1 and we win. So I guess we agree the punt plus the horrible play calling contributed equally to the loss. Well then blame Taylor on the goal line because he's the one who decided to throw it. No, I don't think the punt contributed to the loss in any way. I wasn't expecting to win the game 3-0 but looks like you were. When you hold a team to 10 points, you should win. It was the lowest scoring output in a playoff game in over 20 years and you're blaming one punt LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irv Posted January 9, 2018 Author Share Posted January 9, 2018 (edited) 1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said: Well then blame Taylor on the goal line because he's the one who decided to throw it. No, I don't think the punt contributed to the loss in any way. I wasn't expecting to win the game 3-0 but looks like you were. When you hold a team to 10 points, you should win. It was the lowest scoring output in a playoff game in over 20 years and you're blaming one punt LOL. Yes. I agree with you. It was the difference. Edited January 9, 2018 by Badthingsman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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