[Please Change Title]Zay Jones

[chef4131]

I understand a rookie season does not a career make but Bills moved up in round 2 to pick Zay.    JuJu went late second round and Cooper Kupp early in round 3.

[Mrbojanglezs]

Hard to evaluate wrs when you have tyrod [hardly]throwing you the ball

[26CornerBlitz]

2 minutes ago, Mrbojanglezs said:

Hard to evaluate wrs when you have tyrod [hardly]throwing you the ball

 

 So your theory is that he's been demoted because of Tyrod? Lame excuse and blame shifting.

 

 

[flaz]

4 minutes ago, Mrbojanglezs said:

Hard to evaluate wrs when you have tyrod [hardly]throwing you the ball

  Enough said!

[Kirby Jackson]

4 minutes ago, Mrbojanglezs said:

Hard to evaluate wrs when you have tyrod [hardly]throwing you the ball

He has one of the lowest catch percentages ever and pff has him ranked last of all of the eligible WR. Thompson and Benjamin are so much better than Zay. I don’t want to be a hypocrite because I loved the pick but he has been awful. He can’t get open and can’t catch. I’m not ready to give up on him but he’s been terrible. 

[Beast]

Rough rookie season but to evaluate him and say he will be this or that is pretty fruitless at this stage of the game.

[Heavy Kevi]

I did want Kupp...

 

And Zay has had stone hands in the NFL.

 

But I'm hoping it's just rookie jitters or something...

[Mrbojanglezs]

5 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

 So your theory is that he's been demoted because of Tyrod? Lame excuse and blame shifting.

 

 

No not making an excuse for Zay but when your comparing him to other wrs who clearly have a better qb throwing him the ball, it's hard to compare. Zay has had some bad hands this year for sure.. 

But look at goodwin this year compared to playing with tyrod etc...

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, Mrbojanglezs said:

No not making an excuse for Zay but when your comparing him to other wrs who clearly have a better qb throwing him the ball, it's hard to compare. Zay has had some bad hands this year for sure.. 

But look at goodwin this year compared to playing with tyrod etc...

 

Deonte Thompson sure seems to have no problem catching passes.

[C.Biscuit97]

6 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

 So your theory is that he's been demoted because of Tyrod? Lame excuse and blame shifting.

 

 

That is fair and he's been bad, no doubt.   But how many WRs look good with Tyrod? The NFL is filled with ex Bills WRs playing big roles on other teams.

 

i think it all came down to confidence with Zay and he lost it. I also know it doesn't help your confidence when you get 1 or 2 accurate balls thrown your way all game.  Tyrod has some strengths but he does not elevate his WRs. 

18 minutes ago, chef4131 said:

I understand a rookie season does not a career make but Bills moved up in round 2 to pick Zay.    JuJu went late second round and Cooper Kupp early in round 3.

I LOVED Juju.  He's a stud.  But those guys have 1 and 2 WRs who help them get open.  You aren't getting as open with Jordan Matthews as your 1.

[Mrbojanglezs]

1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Deonte Thompson sure seems to have no problem catching passes.

Absolutely about 2 a game 

[26CornerBlitz]

4 minutes ago, Mrbojanglezs said:

No not making an excuse for Zay but when your comparing him to other wrs who clearly have a better qb throwing him the ball, it's hard to compare. Zay has had some bad hands this year for sure.. 

But look at goodwin this year compared to playing with tyrod etc...

 

Tyrod is a factor, but you're forgetting to account for Kyle Shanahan's offense as opposed to Hackett's Roman's,  and Dennison's.

Edited December 26, 2017 by 26CornerBlitz

[Mrbojanglezs]

To all the Tyrod apologists in this thread

 I'm not blaming tyrod for his bad hands although I'm sure at least a few were because of bad throws I blame tyrod for bad stats (yards, catches) etc for all wrs especially when your comparing these stats against his peers on other teams 

Edited December 26, 2017 by Mrbojanglezs

[KDIGGZ]

if you have Tom Brady throwing you the ball then even Chris Hogan looks like a pro bowler.  if you have Tyrod throwing you the ball then good luck.  in the NFL you never get wide open so you need a QB that can fit it into those tiny windows when you do get a little separation.  hard to evaluate a WR when you don't have a QB that can get them the ball.

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, kdiggz said:

if you have Tom Brady throwing you the ball then even Chris Hogan looks like a pro bowler.  if you have Tyrod throwing you the ball then good luck.  in the NFL you never get wide open so you need a QB that can fit it into those tiny windows when you do get a little separation.  hard to evaluate a WR when you don't have a QB that can get them the ball.

 

How did Watkins look in 2015?

[KDIGGZ]

 

As for the drops, he seems to be getting out physicalled out there.  he needs to hit the weight room in the offseason.  it's a big step from a small college program to the NFL.  he might not have been prepared physically for the challenge.  hit the weights, become more physical, get a better QB and then lets see where he's at

1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

How did Watkins look in 2015?

I must have missed this great pro bowl season that Sammy Watkins never had.  the 4th overall pick in the draft better make multiple pro bowls and yet here we are

[Wayne Arnold]

3 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

How did Watkins look in 2015?

 

You expected a rookie 2nd rounder (Jones) to look as good as a second-year Top 5 pick (Watkins)?

Edited December 26, 2017 by Wayne Arnold

[26CornerBlitz]

2 minutes ago, kdiggz said:

 

As for the drops, he seems to be getting out physicalled out there.  he needs to hit the weight room in the offseason.  it's a big step from a small college program to the NFL.  he might not have been prepared physically for the challenge.  hit the weights, become more physical, get a better QB and then lets see where he's at

I must have missed this great pro bowl season that Sammy Watkins never had.  the 4th overall pick in the draft better make multiple pro bowls and yet here we are

 

Nice way to not answer the question.  60 catches for 1047 yards with 9 TDs.   Pretty lousy huh?  

[C.Biscuit97]

2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

How did Watkins look in 2015?

Really good but those weren't precision type passes. There were a lot of just chuck it up and have Sammy come down with it, which is Tyrod's best pass.

 

i posted it before but Chris Hogan had more YAC in 2016 than Sammy did in his last 2 years here.

[26CornerBlitz]

1 minute ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

You expected a rookie 2nd rounder (Jones) to look as good as a second-year Top 5 pick (Watkins)?

 

No I expected him to catch the FN ball when it hits his hands and especially so with his reputation.

[Charlottebillsfan2]

Its fun playing arm chair draft expert. You can do this with almost every team and every pick.

[Wayne Arnold]

5 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

No I expected him to catch the FN ball when it hits his hands and especially so with his reputation.

 

He was probably shocked each of the few times his quarterback threw him a ball that hit him in the hands.

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, Wayne Arnold said:

 

He was probably shocked each of the few times his quarterback threw him a ball that hit him in the hands.

 

Keep your day job. 

[BuffaloBill]

26 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

 So your theory is that he's been demoted because of Tyrod? Lame excuse and blame shifting.

 

 

 

 

Possibly so because Tyrod throws many uncatchable balls.  Zay does appear to have the yips but how much has TT contributed to this?  Nobody has the answer.

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, BuffaloBill said:

Possibly so because Tyrod throws many uncatchable balls.  Zay does appear to have the yips but how much has TT contributed to this?  Nobody has the answer.

 

Lame excuses with Thompson and now Benjamin displaying none of these issues with drops.  

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

24 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

ITS ALL TYRODS FAULT! ?

Isn’t that why we lost Sammy?  He didn’t live up to expectations?

 

if Zay keeps up with his stone hands he’ll be traded or cut by the deadline in 18.   

 

So says my inside source.  

 

It’s not all Tyrods fault they lost and it’s not all Tyrods talent they won.  

 

 

 

10 minutes ago, BuffaloBill said:

 

 

Possibly so because Tyrod throws many uncatchable balls.  Zay does appear to have the yips but how much has TT contributed to this?  Nobody has the answer.

Well actually the average of uncatchable balls by Tyrod is ~20%.  

 

[Antonio]

He is not what we expected to be form the get go, but I think he will be good and he will have a good career, I just hope we keep him long enough. 

[BringBackOrton]

I wanted JuJu. Just saying..

[cd1]

24 minutes ago, Mrbojanglezs said:

No not making an excuse for Zay but when your comparing him to other wrs who clearly have a better qb throwing him the ball, it's hard to compare. Zay has had some bad hands this year for sure.. 

But look at goodwin this year compared to playing with tyrod etc...

 

Based on the assumption that Zay looks bad because of Tyrod - and another excuse often used that Tyrod looks bad based on receivers...

 

How convenient!  A circular argument for all occasions - one size fits all. 

 

When will folks finally stop settling for mediocrity and demand the Bills do BETTER - MUCH BETTER.

 

IMO The Bills gave Zay far to many chances this season. Taylor had another chance to prove he could be a legitimate NFL starting QB and he failed. All he proved is that he is an above average BACKUP QB.

 

Please, lets move on!

[Kirby Jackson]

2 minutes ago, jmc12290 said:

I wanted JuJu. Just saying..

That’s why I am careful to criticize Zay too much because he’s the guy I liked there. JuJu is MILES ahead of him at this point. He is infinitely more explosive. Zay may be okay at some point but I will be really surprised if he ever catches (no pun intended) JuJu. 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

Sammy and dumnass OBJ.  

 

We wanted one but for the lesser guy. 

[BringBackOrton]

4 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

That’s why I am careful to criticize Zay too much because he’s the guy I liked there. JuJu is MILES ahead of him at this point. He is infinitely more explosive. Zay may be okay at some point but I will be really surprised if he ever catches (no pun intended) JuJu. 

If I was GM, we wouldve had Watson and JuJu with our first two picks. 

 

Probably the first year I could've saved this franchise. What a shame.

[Manther]

41 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

That is fair and he's been bad, no doubt.   But how many WRs look good with Tyrod? The NFL is filled with ex Bills WRs playing big roles on other teams.

 

i think it all came down to confidence with Zay and he lost it. I also know it doesn't help your confidence when you get 1 or 2 accurate balls thrown your way all game.  Tyrod has some strengths but he does not elevate his WRs. 

 

Sometimes TT elevates his WRs.  When they jump at the ball thrown over them.  Actually that's rare because the ball is typically thrown WAY over them.

[FearLess Price]

1 hour ago, Mrbojanglezs said:

Hard to evaluate wrs when you have tyrod [hardly]throwing you the ball

 

Especially considering Zay jones has the highest amount of targets, least about of catches, and highest amount of drops in the NFL, i wont blame tyrod for it.

29 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Lame excuses with Thompson and now Benjamin displaying none of these issues with drops.  

 

I really hope we keep both and work a Taylor  Benjamin game plan for Sunday 

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[dhg]

Perry Tuttle V 2?

[klos63]

He's had a bad rookie season. Not good for a 2nd round pick. He'll need to pick up his game quite a bit next season.

[BuffaloBillsGospel]

1 hour ago, chef4131 said:

I understand a rookie season does not a career make but Bills moved up in round 2 to pick Zay.    JuJu went late second round and Cooper Kupp early in round 3.

 

Zay Jones had a rough year, made a bunch of rookie mistakes and I think sometimes that happens with small school products, especially when you have QB issues to boot. Schuster came from USC and then has a future HOF QB throwing to him, much different scenarios for both players imo.

[blacklabel]

10 minutes ago, BuffaloBillsGospel said:

 

Zay Jones had a rough year, made a bunch of rookie mistakes and I think sometimes that happens with small school products, especially when you have QB issues to boot. Schuster came from USC and then has a future HOF QB throwing to him, much different scenarios for both players imo.

 

I agree with part of this (not sure the USC guy is a future HOF QB) but yeah, sometimes the switch from a small school (where he was the focal point of the offense) to the NFL can have a negative impact on a rookie. I think that Carolina game really got into his head and has been something he's had to deal with all season. 

 

Fans of the game are starved for instant gratification and when it doesn't happen it doesn't take long for a group to start calling some kid a bust 15 games into his NFL career. And comparing him to guys like JuJu or Kupp isn't really fair considering the QBs those guys have throwing them the ball. Goff has taken a huge step forward and Roethlisberger has been a top 5 QB for years now. 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

33 minutes ago, klos63 said:

He's had a bad rookie season. Not good for a 2nd round pick. He'll need to pick up his game quite a bit next season.

That is all we are asking for.  

 

Well most of us.  Some are sold he’s a bust.