Tatonka68 Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 The Bills 1ST round picks should be around 20th (850 pts) & 22nd (780 pts) for a total of 1630 pts on the draft value chart. 1630 points is equal to the 6th pick in the draft. So could the draft end up like this? 1. Cleveland picks Josh Rosen QB, 2. NY Giants Sam Darnold QB, 3. San Francisco picks Saquon Barkley RB, 4. Indianapolis Mike McGlinchey OT, 5. Chicago Derwin James S. then the Bills trade with Tampa for sixth pick and select Mason Rudolph QB Oklahoma ST. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cage Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 I absolutely HATE the idea of trading up for a QB. No problem taking one in the first round when you pick, but trading up is asking for trouble. QBs are a crapshoot even if you're picking in the top 5, giving away multiple picks to roll the dice is a bad move. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern Bills Fan Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 5 minutes ago, cage said: I absolutely HATE the idea of trading up for a QB. No problem taking one in the first round when you pick, but trading up is asking for trouble. QBs are a crapshoot even if you're picking in the top 5, giving away multiple picks to roll the dice is a bad move. I agree. We need to fill the holes on the O and D lines. We can't give away top picks with so many needs. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 I don’t hate trading up for a QB. I hate trading up for Mason Rudolph. I might be wrong but he’s the guy that I like least of the prospects to go early. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Stay put and let one of the QB’s fall in our lap. Rosen and Darnold are gone. Forget about it. Lamar Jackson will probably be a top 10-15 pick when it is all said and done. The rest are distinct possibilities, IMO, around where Buffalo will be picking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Can't remember where but I read an article where two scouts said Rudolph should not even be on the draft board at all. always interesting to see how these rankings come out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 2 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: I don’t hate trading up for a QB. I hate trading up for Mason Rudolph. I might be wrong but he’s the guy that I like least of the prospects to go early. He's got an outstanding WR corps and a conference that doesn't play defense. He seems pretty uninspiring to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsredneck1 Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 hopefully we can stay where we're at and get baker mayfield. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 1 minute ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: Stay put and let one of the QB’s fall in our lap. Rosen and Darnold are gone. Forget about it. Lamar Jackson will probably be a top 10-15 pick when it is all said and done. The rest are distinct possibilities, IMO, around where Buffalo will be picking. I like Mayfield and Jackson as qbs that might be there. Worried about Josh Allen. Looks like Tarzan, accuracy of Jane, but who knows, really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2003Contenders Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 The draft value chart is only a guide -- not necessarily written in stone. What really matters is finding a trading partner that is willing to make the trade down -- and what players are on the board at the time. It may be hard to find a team picking early in the top 10 that is willing to move all the way back to the 20s and lose out on a blue chip prospect. Also, when the move is universally known as an attempt to acquire a QB, the value goes up. Just look at what the Chargers gave up to move up one spot for Ryan Leaf (doh!) back in 1998 or what the Giants gave up to move from 4 to 1 in the Eli Manning-Philip Rivers swap. Meanwhile, it cost "just" a future 1st and 4th to move up from 9 to 4 to get Sammy Watkins. Still, I think it can be done if we can find a team willing to move down in the 1st round. Such a move may actually require making multiple moves, though. That is, a move from the 20s up to around 10, followed by a second trade up to get where we need to be to acquire the QB of choice. Just last year the Chiefs moved up from roughly the same spot by giving us last year's #3 and this year's #1. Most teams view a future #1 as roughly equal to the current year's #2. So a similar move (one of the firsts, one of the seconds and our remaining third) from either our own #1 or the one we acquired from KC could get us to 10 as I suggested. That would still provide us with two firsts to move into the top 5 (maybe as high as 1-2) to select a QB. Question is: Would the front office be willing to give up both firsts, one of our seconds and our third to acquire the QB? If they believe the kid is a legitimate franchise QB you would have to think so. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloFan68 Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 I would be totally stoked if the Bills land Mason Rudolph. Go Bills!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 1 minute ago, 2003Contenders said: Question is: Would the front office be willing to give up both firsts, one of our seconds and our third to acquire the QB? If they believe the kid is a legitimate franchise QB you would have to think so. Yikes. That's a heavy price for a team with lots of holes to fill. You're not trading into Cleveland or the Giants' spot, so you're likely looking at the third best qb on the board. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 2 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: He's got an outstanding WR corps and a conference that doesn't play defense. He seems pretty uninspiring to me. Thought this was interesting: https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/09/19/mason-rudolph-nfl-draft-2018-scouting-report 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatonka68 Posted November 28, 2017 Author Share Posted November 28, 2017 3 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Thought this was interesting: https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/09/19/mason-rudolph-nfl-draft-2018-scouting-report I respectfully disagree with the report. I have watched him play in several games, and his accuracy was good. It's in the placement of the throws. I want him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 there's so much that changes between now and the draft concerning qbs. although i hope it doesn't happen, i'd have no problem if they really had a target they wanted, and traded up for it. ideally though, this team needs to retain as many picks as it can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Rudolph is a Round 3-4 QB. You want to take him at SIX? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 1 minute ago, teef said: there's so much that changes between now and the draft concerning qbs. although i hope it doesn't happen, i'd have no problem if they really had a target they wanted, and traded up for it. ideally though, this team needs to retain as many picks as it can. I agree. As much as I want the Bills to draft a QB, I also want them to use every pick they have at their disposal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 6 minutes ago, Tatonka68 said: I respectfully disagree with the report. I have watched him play in several games, and his accuracy was good. It's in the placement of the throws. I want him. I’ve seen him about 4 or 5 times this year and he does nothing for me. QBs are all over he place though in terms of opinions. I’ve seen Lamar Jackson as high as 1 and others that hate him. I like him quite a bit as a prospect. I want one of the 2 California kids, Mayfield or Jackson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodman19 Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Thorson at the end of the first or early second for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 3 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: Rudolph is a Round 3-4 QB. You want to take him at SIX? He’s the guy that I think falls as we get closer. He doesn’t have any skills that differentiate him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2003Contenders Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 For a frame of reference, in 2016 the Eagles moved up from 8 to 2 (to take Wentz) by making the following trade with Cleveland: Philly gave up: #8 overall [2016] 3rd rounder (#77 overall) [2016] 4th rounder (#100 overall) [2016] the following year's first round pick [2017] third round pick in 2018 Cleveland gave up: #2 pick overall following year's 4th rounder [2017] That is a lot of picks to move up for a single player -- but the Bills do have the ammunition (if either Cleveland or the NY Giants are willing to make the move) to hypothetically acquire Rosen/Darnold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatonka68 Posted November 28, 2017 Author Share Posted November 28, 2017 2 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: He’s the guy that I think falls as we get closer. He doesn’t have any skills that differentiate him. 7 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: Rudolph is a Round 3-4 QB. You want to take him at SIX? Who says he is a 3-4 Round QB? Draftek has him as second BEST player. Don't care about numbers, only the player Mason Rudolph = Jim Kelly the second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 25 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: I don’t hate trading up for a QB. I hate trading up for Mason Rudolph. I might be wrong but he’s the guy that I like least of the prospects to go early. I hate trading up for the 3rd choice at QB. Unless 6th pick is on the clock and Rosen is there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Now Moment Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Stay where you are and draft a QB in the first. Fill in the holes around him like the offensive line, backup running back and add another speedy wide receiver. Then fill in some holes to sure up the defense and grab a couple of guys in FA. Give the rookie QB the best situation we can to make him as successful as possible. I'm tired of not helping out our QBs enough. Make this guy really comfortable with a better oline and a nice running game. We really could have enough draft picks and FA space to attempt to fill the majority of the holes on this team. If we come out with a nice draft this offseason...we could be a team that starts moving up in the AFC. Have us trending upward while a near future Tom Bradyless New England team will be trending down. Build the next AFCE division bully. Don't like trading up and losing those picks. Wouldn't do it for any of the QBs in this class. Really want to inject both our lines with draft picks and better talents. We have enough draft picks to get a QB and draft for both lines and the linebacker position. I hope they don't trade up. I think they will miss out on an opportunity to reset this roster at multiple positions with youth and McD type players. Can't wait to find out though. Not knowing who our QB will be next year is making me crazy haha 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 24 minutes ago, 2003Contenders said: The draft value chart is only a guide -- not necessarily written in stone. What really matters is finding a trading partner that is willing to make the trade down -- and what players are on the board at the time. It may be hard to find a team picking early in the top 10 that is willing to move all the way back to the 20s and lose out on a blue chip prospect. Also, when the move is universally known as an attempt to acquire a QB, the value goes up. Just look at what the Chargers gave up to move up one spot for Ryan Leaf (doh!) back in 1998 or what the Giants gave up to move from 4 to 1 in the Eli Manning-Philip Rivers swap. Meanwhile, it cost "just" a future 1st and 4th to move up from 9 to 4 to get Sammy Watkins. Still, I think it can be done if we can find a team willing to move down in the 1st round. Such a move may actually require making multiple moves, though. That is, a move from the 20s up to around 10, followed by a second trade up to get where we need to be to acquire the QB of choice. Just last year the Chiefs moved up from roughly the same spot by giving us last year's #3 and this year's #1. Most teams view a future #1 as roughly equal to the current year's #2. So a similar move (one of the firsts, one of the seconds and our remaining third) from either our own #1 or the one we acquired from KC could get us to 10 as I suggested. That would still provide us with two firsts to move into the top 5 (maybe as high as 1-2) to select a QB. Question is: Would the front office be willing to give up both firsts, one of our seconds and our third to acquire the QB? If they believe the kid is a legitimate franchise QB you would have to think so. They better not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 5 minutes ago, Tatonka68 said: Who says he is a 3-4 Round QB? Draftek has him as second BEST player. Don't care about numbers, only the player Mason Rudolph = Jim Kelly the second. Draft Wire has him as the 5th QB. QB evaluations are all over the board and you have to get it right. Of all of the prospects projected to go early he’s the one that I like the least. I also think that he falls as we get closer to the draft. He doesn’t have a skill that differentiates him. He has average everything. 5 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: I hate trading up for the 3rd choice at QB. Unless 6th pick is on the clock and Rosen is there. Wishful thinking but I agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 (edited) 13 minutes ago, 2003Contenders said: For a frame of reference, in 2016 the Eagles moved up from 8 to 2 (to take Wentz) by making the following trade with Cleveland: Philly gave up: #8 overall [2016] 3rd rounder (#77 overall) [2016] 4th rounder (#100 overall) [2016] the following year's first round pick [2017] third round pick in 2018 Cleveland gave up: #2 pick overall following year's 4th rounder [2017] That is a lot of picks to move up for a single player -- but the Bills do have the ammunition (if either Cleveland or the NY Giants are willing to make the move) to hypothetically acquire Rosen/Darnold. I like the Rams' move a lot better as a model for what we could potentially do. Rams gave up: #15 Overall 2nd Round (43) 2nd Round (45) 3rd Round (76) Next Year's 1st Next Year's 3rd Titans gave up: #1 Overall 4th Round (113) 6th Round (177) If we did the same that would leave us with: 1st overall Selection KC's 1st Rounder 2 4ths 2 5ths 1 6th Edited November 28, 2017 by BuffaloHokie13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 36 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: I don’t hate trading up for a QB. I hate trading up for Mason Rudolph. I might be wrong but he’s the guy that I like least of the prospects to go early. Would you do the deal for Mayfield or Jackson? I would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 1 minute ago, JohnC said: Would you do the deal for Mayfield or Jackson? I would. Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Just now, Kirby Jackson said: Yes You are at times astute and perspicacious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatonka68 Posted November 28, 2017 Author Share Posted November 28, 2017 13 minutes ago, nucci said: They better not WHY? isn't 17 years of crappy QB enuf? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarolinaBillsFan Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 What if we signed for Bridgewater or Keenum? They cant keep them all, then we have all of our picks to plug holes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domdab99 Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 None of these QBs are worth trading up for. It's ridiculous. Both fronts need help , or get a stud LB - or if one of the QBs falls to them, fine...but do not give away a 1st round pick for one of these scrubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 5 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: I like the Rams' move a lot better as a model for what we could potentially do. Rams gave up: #15 Overall 2nd Round (43) 2nd Round (45) 3rd Round (76) Next Year's 1st Next Year's 3rd Titans gave up: #1 Overall 4th Round (113) 6th Round (177) If we did the same that would leave us with: 1st overall Selection KC's 1st Rounder 2 4ths 2 5ths 1 6th That draft would look something like this to me: - Josh Rosen QB - Roaquon Smith LB - Braden Smith G - Martez Carter RB - Marcus Davenport DE - Hunter Renfrow WR - Kevin Toliver CB This would mean that the Bills signed Star Lotulelei too. This team would be improved IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 I bet Rosen and Darnold stay in school. Someone will overdraft Jackson and Baker Mayfield will probably go 9th - 19th. 2 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: That draft would look something like this to me: - Josh Rosen QB - Roaquon Smith LB - Braden Smith G - Martez Carter RB - Marcus Davenport DE - Hunter Renfrow WR - Kevin Toliver CB This would mean that the Bills signed Star Lotulelei too. This team would be improved IMO. Because we traded for Kelvin Benjamin Panthers have cap space in 2018 and will probably keep Star Lotulelei. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 3 minutes ago, CuddyDark said: I bet Rosen and Darnold stay in school. Someone will overdraft Jackson and Baker Mayfield will probably go 9th - 19th. Because we traded for Kelvin Benjamin Panthers have cap space in 2018 and will probably keep Star Lotulelei. Didn’t they just pay Kawaan Short like $80M?? I don’t see them tying up $150M In defensive tackles. It was likely one or the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 50 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: Rudolph is a Round 3-4 QB. You want to take him at SIX? Wrong again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 2 minutes ago, joesixpack said: Wrong again. Troll again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigK14094 Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Whaley's ghost is in the building.................its saying "remember Sammy Watkins..." NO MORE TRADE UPS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChanOverChin Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 QB Baker Mayfield (Okla.) is the guy the Bills should be targeting. I think the Bills will end up with the following 2018 draft picks: R1 (18 - Chiefs) R1 (19 - Bills) R2 R2 (Rams) R3 R4 R5 R5 R5 (Jax). I expect obtaining a high quality QB to be the highest priority. The Bills could add a vet FA QB, trade for a QB, draft a QB or both acquire a vet QB and draft a QB. I don't think the Bills will keep T. Taylor at $16M, which what he will be due next year. That would leave the cupboard pretty bare at QB for 2018. As a result, I see the Bills acquiring a high profile vet QB (possibly A. Smith, K. Cousins) AND draft a QB in R1 or R2. Once the QB situation has been addressed I see the Bills wheeling and dealing on draft day just like they did this past year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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