Sammy will be a free agent. If healthy get him back.

[Royale with Cheese]

I heard he prefersthe real LA Fitness.

 

That's in West Hollywood.

[Bill_with_it]

 

That's in West Hollywood.

Whats that an 8-10 mile drive?

[Royale with Cheese]

Whats that an 8-10 mile drive?

 

Yep.

[jethro_tull]

I have heard this mentioned by Bills media reps and it is strictly pie in the sky public relations with absolutely zero substance.

Makes no sense whatsoever based on their decision last Friday.

[Simon Says]

Why would the Bills subject themselves to that? They dont have the best cap situation and depending on how he does this year, would cost 12,15,18 million a year. Why the hell would he ever come back to this area, where he has gotten so much crap on pages like this? if he signed a contract here in Buffalo, it would be constant complaining about him for the next however many years.

[BarleyNY]

If this regime was willing to sign Watkins to a big contract even with a healthy, productive season then they'd have kept him. They moved on because they didn't like the risk (and/or attitude). It's over.

 

On a side note, Sammy fans seem to be getting through the stages of grief at a decent clip.

[MyHorseAteTheKid]

we do have 2 first rounders we could trade to get him back.... .....:::::Ducking:::::.....

[BuffaloBill]

Never gonna happen.

^^^^ This

[iinii]

Don't hold your breath

[26CornerBlitz]

we do have 2 first rounders we could trade to get him back.... .....:::::Ducking:::::.....

 

Good stuff!

[Formerly Allan in MD]

Dream on.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

...Sammy and Woods were a pretty good tandem in Buffalo.........if he stays healthy and they do more of the same in LA, they'll either sign him long term or tag him.....we'll never know if declining the 5th year soured him on Bflo anyway.......I'd say that ship has sailed..............

[Mark80]

I know it sounds crazy. However just think. There are many ways this can become a reality. Sammy may show flashes but not be able to produce at no fault of his own. Qb play may hurt him this season. The Bills now have multiple picks to draft their qb of the future. Matthews, and the rest of the receivers along with Tyrod may not fit the bill and it may make things harder on McCoy.

 

With a qb in place and Shady playing at a high level with Sammy on the outside, you never know. My idea is also wishful thinking. Miss Sammy already.

 

I love how many people here are just assuming we are going to draft a QB next year and he is going to be the answer even though history has shown that even QBs drafted in the top 5 have a less than 50% hit rate. It's just funny to me.

[Punching Bag]

Why would the Bills subject themselves to that? They dont have the best cap situation and depending on how he does this year, would cost 12,15,18 million a year. Why the hell would he ever come back to this area, where he has gotten so much crap on pages like this? if he signed a contract here in Buffalo, it would be constant complaining about him for the next however many years.

 

Do you really thinks he reads pages like this?

[TPS]

They let I'm go for cap reasons, for the most part.

[Paul Costa]

Only way Bills can get Sammy back is if he breaks his foot again. Do we want him back broken🤔

[Doc]

Why would the Bills subject themselves to that? They dont have the best cap situation and depending on how he does this year, would cost 12,15,18 million a year. Why the hell would he ever come back to this area, where he has gotten so much crap on pages like this? if he signed a contract here in Buffalo, it would be constant complaining about him for the next however many years.

They don't have the best cap situation? At present they are over $26M under the 2018 cap. And if they jettison Tyrod and split his dead cap hit over two years, they gain an additional $11.5M dollars in room.

 

As for Sammy coming back, that ship has sailed. He grew up a Bills fan so I believe he wanted to be here initially. But when they declined to pick up his fifth year option, I think the luster wore off for him. And the Bills traded him because they decided that even if he had a great year, they weren't going to commit $12-$14M/year for a guy with his injury history.

[BADOLBILZ]

They don't have the best cap situation? At present they are over $26M under the 2018 cap. And if they jettison Tyrod and split his dead cap hit over two years, they gain an additional $11.5M dollars in room.

 

As for Sammy coming back, that ship has sailed. He grew up a Bills fan so I believe he wanted to be here initially. But when they declined to pick up his fifth year option, I think the luster wore off for him. And the Bills traded him because they decided that even if he had a great year, they weren't going to commit $12-$14M/year for a guy with his injury history.

 

 

Comes down to bad plans and the subesequent punches in the mouth that changed them.

 

Greggo had a plan........no fat guys........so he and Donahoe cut team leader and one-man run defense Ted Washington.

 

Then NFL RB's utterly humiliated him.

 

The next thing you know........welcome mercurial sloppy fat guy Sam Adams.

 

Jauron had a plan.......he wanted his guys........no selfish personalities.

 

Until his seat got hot........then enter Terrell Owens.

[Doc]

Pretty much. They didn't want to pay him if he had a big year which makes little sense. It's a pre Pegula move hence the Jauron/Levy comparison from BADOL.

 

The injury history is blown way out of proportion. He had a serious foot issue that looks to be healed. Otherwise he missed 3 games in 2015 and 0 his rookie year.

 

****. At least find out if he can stay healthy for another full season and see what he can do in a contract year before jumping the gun.

 

Id bet a lot of money he will be mostly healthy throughout the rest of his career and if Goff develops he will be a stud for years.

We shall see.

[BarleyNY]

Pretty much. They didn't want to pay him if he had a big year which makes little sense. It's a pre Pegula move hence the Jauron/Levy comparison from BADOL.

The injury history is blown way out of proportion. He had a serious foot issue that looks to be healed. Otherwise he missed 3 games in 2015 and 0 his rookie year.

****. At least find out if he can stay healthy for another full season and see what he can do in a contract year before jumping the gun.

Id bet a lot of money he will be mostly healthy throughout the rest of his career and if Goff develops he will be a stud for years.

Couple issues with that.

 

1) Either injuries that he has played through have prevented him from producing more or he's not as good enough to warrant a big contract. And don't give me BS about it being scheme or QB. No OC leaves the kind of yards we're talking about on the field because the just feel like running the ball. Also WRs have done much better with much worse at QB. Hell, Josh Gordon led the league a few seasons ago in 14 games with hot garbage at QB for the Browns.

 

2) The only way to keep him from getting the free agency after this season was going to be the franchise tag. Sometimes going to go crazy and break the bank for him, but it'll be a big risk. It will probably be done by a team with a regime that is in trouble and won't have to deal with the mess if it blows up. This regime doesn't have to take that kind of risk at the present time.

[akm0404]

Bold predictions:

 

Sammy Watkins will listen to his agent/management and become a free agent after this season.

 

He will sign with a playoff-competitive team with an established quarterback.

 

That team will not be the Buffalo Bills, and we shall be happy we got anything at all for him.

[Putin]

I know it sounds crazy. However just think. There are many ways this can become a reality. Sammy may show flashes but not be able to produce at no fault of his own. Qb play may hurt him this season. The Bills now have multiple picks to draft their qb of the future. Matthews, and the rest of the receivers along with Tyrod may not fit the bill and it may make things harder on McCoy.

 

With a qb in place and Shady playing at a high level with Sammy on the outside, you never know. My idea is also wishful thinking. Miss Sammy already.

We all miss Sammy but cmon man let it go ,

We let Sammy go in his rookie contract , do you really believe FO will bring him back at $10mil or more a year ?

I don't thinks so ,

Bold predictions:

 

Sammy Watkins will listen to his agent/management and become a free agent after this season.

 

He will sign with a playoff-competitive team with an established quarterback.

 

That team will not be the Buffalo Bills, and we shall be happy we got anything at all for him.

Let's all hope that he stays with the Rams , I don't even want to think about him signing with Patriots* or Dolphins

[BuffaloHokie13]

We all miss Sammy but cmon man let it go ,

We let Sammy go in his rookie contract , do you really believe FO will bring him back at $10mil or more a year ?

I don't thinks so ,

 

Let's all hope that he stays with the Rams , I don't even want to think about him signing with Patriots* or Dolphins

I'd like to see him go to the Panthers.

[Putin]

there's no way the rams don't re-sign him. why even bother with the trade if that's not in your plans. they may have to take a chance and throw some cash at him, but i'd be shocked if there's not a deal in place fairly soon.

Sorry Teff I normally agree with you 99% of the time ,

I don't believe it will be fairly soon , maybe by mid season IF he's 100% healthy and is tearing it up ,

[PABillsfan23]

He was among the best if not the best receiver in the game the last 8 games of 2015.

 

He had a serious foot injury last season that from all accounts is now 100%. He was going to produce big time this year, IMO.

 

You keep him from FA next year by picking up his option.

 

Not sure who you've been watching the past dozen plus years, but this regime has been a mess for a longgg time. A couple of newbies doesn't change that until the results on the field change.

If we had an established QB yeah it would of been a no brainer to option him. Why pay 13/14 million a year for a WR when you don't have a QB that can maximize his talent?

 

The decision to trade him was an easy one.

Edited August 17, 2017 by PABillsfan23

[26CornerBlitz]

If we had an established QB yeah it would of been a no brainer to option him. Why pay 13/14 million a year for a WR when you don't have a QB that can maximize his talent?

 

The decision to trade him was an easy one.

 

Because the plan is to acquire a franchise QB is the 2018 draft. Stupid and shortsighted trade.

[Bill_with_it]

He was among the best if not the best receiver in the game the last 8 games of 2015.

 

He had a serious foot injury last season that from all accounts is now 100%. He was going to produce big time this year, IMO.

 

You keep him from FA next year by picking up his option.

 

Not sure who you've been watching the past dozen plus years, but this regime has been a mess for a longgg time. A couple of newbies doesn't change that until the results on the field change.

The whole regime isnew, cut the crap and get over the watkins trade.

[Kirby Jackson]

The whole regime isnew, cut the crap and get over the watkins trade.

Why do they deserve the benefit of the doubt from him? Does he not have a right to be skeptical or to have an opinion?

[Bill_with_it]

Why do they deserve the benefit of the doubt from him? Does he not have a right to be skeptical or to have an opinion?

These were his words and they are completely wrong:

 

Not sure who you've been watching the past dozen plus years, but this regime has been a mess for a longgg time.

I wasnt saying anything about him and hid desire to be skeptical; rather just correcting some silly notion that this regime has had anything to do with the extreme Whaley funk combined with his predecessors.

[Kirby Jackson]

These were his words and they are completely wrong in my opinion

fixed it for you

[Bill_with_it]

fixed it for you

You didnt fix crap. Hes completely wrong this regime has been here months with out a record to base anything on. They arent nor can be lumped in with the Whaley disaster snd his predecessors, to fo thst eould be completely dishonest and childish because you dont agree with the trade.

 

The argument is so invalid it actually sound like someone with no knowledge of Bills history stated it rather a supposed fan and member af a Buffalo Bills forum.

[JohnC]

Why do they deserve the benefit of the doubt from him? Does he not have a right to be skeptical or to have an opinion?

The skepticism being exhibited toward the new regime is very understandable. It just traded one of the top receivers in the league for an unremarkable DB and a draft pick. But the lamenting response by some as if this transaction was a stunning surprise doesn't correspond to the situation. It was apparent (at least to me) that when a tender was not offered to Watkins that it was a clear indication that he wasn't in the organization's long term plans.

 

You more than anyone else advocated for not taking a qb in this year's draft in order to wait to see if TT can make the leap into legitimacy or draft a qb in the next draft class where you found it to be richer and deeper. So now when the new regime maneuvers to better position itself to select an authentic franchise qb you express grave doubts. What the Bills are doing is exactly what you called for!

 

I believe that Watkins is one of the top receiver talents in the league. But the situation in Buffalo as it stands would never allow him to fulfill his potential. As I have stated before even with the acknowledgement of his exceptional talent because of the caliber of qbing and the design of the offense the production level would not be much diminished without the talented receiver.

 

The Bills are rebuilding the roster through the draft. The quickest way to do it is to have many draft chips in the bucket. That's exactly what is now being done. Whaley added talent while McDermott is building a more coherent roster. I believe that McDermott is taking a more conceptual and smarter approach to building a roster.

 

I have never been a fawning devotee and unquestioning stooge of this failed franchise. What is going on here is a refreshing change from the incremental and short-sighted approach that this franchise has historically taken.

[BADOLBILZ]

You didnt fix crap. Hes completely wrong this regime has been here months with out a record to base anything on. They arent nor can be lumped in with the Whaley disaster snd his predecessors, to fo thst eould be completely dishonest and childish because you dont agree with the trade.

 

The argument is so invalid it actually sound like someone with no knowledge of Bills history stated it rather a supposed fan and member af a Buffalo Bills forum.

 

Most of the names have changed but whether the structure and dysfunctional nature of things has changed is another matter.

 

As I've mentioned in other threads.......not many organizations allow two nobodies to come in and sweep out all of their predecessors high draft picks.

 

In most places.......this tear down would be considered EXTREME considering that these guys have pee'd exactly zero drops in these positions and don't come from illustrious trees of success.

 

But in Buffalo.......this is par for the course.

 

It comes down to TPegs poor stewardship........INARGUABLE to date.......who as a football person is showing signs of being as clueless as Ralph.

 

You can drain the swamp but it will just re-fill if you don't alter the actual landscape.

[Kirby Jackson]

You didnt fix crap. Hes completely wrong ​in my opinion this regime has been here months with out a record to base anything on. They arent nor can be lumped in with the Whaley disaster snd his predecessors, to fo thst eould be completely dishonest and childish because you dont agree with the trade.

 

The argument is so invalid it actually sound like someone with no knowledge of Bills history stated it rather a supposed fan and member af a Buffalo Bills forum.

That doesn't make any sense. They have made a lot of decisions so far. Some I really liked (the trade down, Zay, Boldin), some I hated (Watkins, Yates, etc...). They haven't earned anyone's respect yet. The keyword there is EARNED. Just because you get handed a job doesn't mean that you are good at it. We just went through the Rex Ryan era. We have every right to be skeptical. We will see how it plays out but for now the jury is out.

The skepticism being exhibited toward the new regime is very understandable. It just traded one of the top receivers in the league for an unremarkable DB and a draft pick. But the lamenting response by some as if this transaction was a stunning surprise doesn't correspond to the situation. It was apparent (at least to me) that when a tender was not offered to Watkins that it was a clear indication that he wasn't in the organization's long term plans.

 

You more than anyone else advocated for not taking a qb in this year's draft in order to wait to see if TT can make the leap into legitimacy or draft a qb in the next draft class where you found it to be richer and deeper. So now when the new regime maneuvers to better position itself to select an authentic franchise qb you express grave doubts. What the Bills are doing is exactly what you called for!

 

I believe that Watkins is one of the top receiver talents in the league. But the situation in Buffalo as it stands would never allow him to fulfill his potential. As I have stated before even with the acknowledgement of his exceptional talent because of the caliber of qbing and the design of the offense the production level would not be much diminished without the talented receiver.

 

The Bills are rebuilding the roster through the draft. The quickest way to do it is to have many draft chips in the bucket. That's exactly what is now being done. Whaley added talent while McDermott is building a more coherent roster. I believe that McDermott is taking a more conceptual and smarter approach to building a roster.

 

I have never been a fawning devotee and unquestioning stooge of this failed franchise. What is going on here is a refreshing change from the incremental and short-sighted approach that this franchise has historically taken.

I asked for a trade down and an extra 1st in 2018 and got it. I have still been advocating for the QB in 2018 but not with the "half pregnant" approach. I said they should either compete or tear it down. They have done a little of both. They said, let's get a little worse in 2017 but still make sure that we win 6 games. It is going to be tough to get up to get a QB when the teams picking ahead of you are QB starved. If Rosen and/or Darnold return to school the pool (although still deep) gets thinned out of some of the top talent. Edited August 17, 2017 by Kirby Jackson

[Bill_with_it]

That doesn't make any sense. They have made a lot of decisions so far. Some I really liked (the trade down, Zay, Boldin), some I hated (Watkins, Yates, etc...). They have earned anyone's respect yet. The keyword there is EARNED. Just because you get handed a job doesn't mean that you are good at it. We just went through the Rex Ryan era. We have every right to be skeptical. We will see how it plays out but for now the jury is out.

 

I asked for a trade down and an extra 1st in 2018 and got it. I have still been advocating for the QB in 2018 but not with the "half pregnant" approach. I said they should either compete or tear it down. They have done a little of both. They said, let's get a little worse in 2017 but still make sure that we win 6 games. It is going to be tough to get up to get a QB when the teams picking ahead of you are QB starved. If Rosen and/or Darnold return to school the pool (although still deep) gets thinned out of some of the top talent.

Its not an opinion this regime factually has nothing to do with any other regime this team has had. Facts dont care about your feelings.

[26CornerBlitz]

Its not an opinion this regime factually has nothing to do with any other regime this team has had. Facts dont care about your feelings.

 

Funny you would post this.

[BADOLBILZ]

Its not an opinion this regime factually has nothing to do with any other regime this team has had. Facts dont care about your feelings.

 

DEAD WRONG.

 

The owner remains the same.

[thebandit27]

Its not an opinion this regime factually has nothing to do with any other regime this team has had. Facts dont care about your feelings.

 

I cannot think of a poster on this board for whom a greater degree of irony would apply

[Kirby Jackson]

Its not an opinion this regime factually has nothing to do with any other regime this team has had. Facts dont care about your feelings.

I'm not sure who debated otherwise? You've said that his opinions were "completely wrong."

 

I cannot think of a poster on this board for whom a greater degree of irony would apply

Comedy, right there...is he serious? Edited August 17, 2017 by Kirby Jackson

[Bill_with_it]

 

Funny you would post this.

One question has Sean and Brandon had any wins or losses in any season for the Buffalo Bills other than this season?

Did Sean or Brandon draft any picks for the Bills prior to the current year they hsve been established as the FO?

Did Brandon or Sean ever work in any role with the Bills prior than taking on their current roles?

Fid Sean or Brandon ever call into toa rogue coirdinator plays that would be of detriment yo the Bills?

Covered all the bases.

They sre brand new here.

They have nothing to do with the Whaley trash, Nix trash, or any other trash prior to them.

Facts are awesome.