26CornerBlitz Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 One question has Sean and Brandon had any wins or losses in any season for the Buffalo Bills other than this season? Did Sean or Brandon draft any picks for the Bills prior to the current year they hsve been established as the FO? Did Brandon or Sean ever work in any role with the Bills prior than taking on their current roles? Fid Sean or Brandon ever call into toa rogue coirdinator plays that would be of detriment yo the Bills? Covered all the bases. They sre brand new here. They have nothing to do with the Whaley trash, Nix trash, or any other trash prior to them. Facts are awesome. "Facts dont care about your feelings". That's the part of your post that is hilarious and highly ironic given how often you ignore facts presented to you by other posters that run counter to your POV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill_with_it Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 "Facts dont care about your feelings". That's the part of your post that is hilarious and highly ironic given how often you ignore facts presented to you by other posters that run counter to your POV. I have not disregarded any fact that was a fact to which a poster has presented as a counter. The problem is there isnt a hole lot of facts being presented as fact. Potential isnt fact. Basing a pecking order iff of potential rather than production isnt a fact. Hope isnt a fact. Willing something to fruition isnt a fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 I'm not sure who debated otherwise? You've said that his opinions were "completely wrong." Comedy, right there...is he serious? No, he's not serious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 I have not disregarded any fact that was a fact to which a poster has presented as a counter. The problem is there isnt a hole lot of facts being presented as fact. Potential isnt fact. Basing a pecking order iff of potential rather than production isnt a fact. Hope isnt a fact. Willing something to fruition isnt a fact. No, he's not serious. You are right Bandit. He can't possibly be serious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 You are right Bandit. He can't possibly be serious. Like I said, he's good at what he does...it took me a long time to catch on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 DEAD WRONG. The owner remains the same. Has Ralph come back from the grave? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill_with_it Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 (edited) You are right Bandit. He can't possibly be serious. Show me a fact that i have disregarded.Ill wait. You cant. Doesnt matter if you have a little click together or not. Sammy is gone. All he has/had was potential as of today. Edited August 17, 2017 by Bill_with_it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 Would love to have Sammy back. Odds are small of course. I would say this though. He and his other WR draft classmates making noise about how they're going to reset the value for WRs and their talk about wanting to be like NBA contracts? They're in for a shock. GMs and owners aren't going to break the bank for WR. QBs, OTs, DE/pass rushers are still the guys that will be prioritized. WR's probably fourth on the list so they'll do well, but it's not like all of a sudden WRs are going to be highest paid players on a team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marv's Neighbor Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 No matter what, he'll also be a year older! Fuggatt about it.! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 Show me a fact that i have disregarded. Ill wait. You cant. Doesnt matter if you have a little click together or not. Sammy is gone. All he has/had was potential as of today. It's clique dammit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 I know it sounds crazy. However just think. There are many ways this can become a reality. Sammy may show flashes but not be able to produce at no fault of his own. Qb play may hurt him this season. The Bills now have multiple picks to draft their qb of the future. Matthews, and the rest of the receivers along with Tyrod may not fit the bill and it may make things harder on McCoy. With a qb in place and Shady playing at a high level with Sammy on the outside, you never know. My idea is also wishful thinking. Miss Sammy already. Right. The Rams are just going to let him walk. Yes getting a long term deal or the franchise tag. Lets get out of fantasy land...this isn't Madden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjv001 Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 The only way Sammy comes back to Buffalo is with another team playing the Bills. Did you see the smile on his face during his first interview in LA? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 The skepticism being exhibited toward the new regime is very understandable. It just traded one of the top receivers in the league for an unremarkable DB and a draft pick. But the lamenting response by some as if this transaction was a stunning surprise doesn't correspond to the situation. It was apparent (at least to me) that when a tender was not offered to Watkins that it was a clear indication that he wasn't in the organization's long term plans. You more than anyone else advocated for not taking a qb in this year's draft in order to wait to see if TT can make the leap into legitimacy or draft a qb in the next draft class where you found it to be richer and deeper. So now when the new regime maneuvers to better position itself to select an authentic franchise qb you express grave doubts. What the Bills are doing is exactly what you called for! I believe that Watkins is one of the top receiver talents in the league. But the situation in Buffalo as it stands would never allow him to fulfill his potential. As I have stated before even with the acknowledgement of his exceptional talent because of the caliber of qbing and the design of the offense the production level would not be much diminished without the talented receiver. The Bills are rebuilding the roster through the draft. The quickest way to do it is to have many draft chips in the bucket. That's exactly what is now being done. Whaley added talent while McDermott is building a more coherent roster. I believe that McDermott is taking a more conceptual and smarter approach to building a roster. I have never been a fawning devotee and unquestioning stooge of this failed franchise. What is going on here is a refreshing change from the incremental and short-sighted approach that this franchise has historically taken. They traded a player with the potential to be one of the top receivers in the game, but who has only shown flashes of it, for whatever reasons. And they likely felt that he would continue to just show flashes of it, which didn't make it worth paying him huge dollars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 Show me a fact that i have disregarded. Ill wait. You cant. Doesnt matter if you have a little click together or not. Sammy is gone. All he has/had was potential as of today. I'm not going to bother going back through that long thread on the trade. You disregarded a bunch of facts there. There's a reason that a bunch of people are saying one thing and you the other. I'm going to take a different route and use the block function for the 2nd time since I've been here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uticaclub Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 The Yankees did it with Chapman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill_with_it Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 I'm not going to bother going back through that long thread on the trade. You disregarded a bunch of facts there. There's a reason that a bunch of people are saying one thing and you the other. I'm going to take a different route and use the block function for the 2nd time since I've been here.Use the block function 100 times I dont care. Stop spewing lies. If you had examples of me disregarding facts without apologizing you would use them. You dont. Its a poor attempt in an argument. A bunch of fervent Sammy Watkins supporters arguing potential versus produced viable stats relevant to the long term benefit of the team? Gee who would have thought? They traded a player with the potential to be one of the top receivers in the game, but who has only shown flashes of it, for whatever reasons. And they likely felt that he would continue to just show flashes of it, which didn't make it worth paying him huge dollars.Bunch of posters need to read this post slowly and pay particluar attention to each word. Then read it as a sentence. Would be beneficial for the overall discussions with regard to Sammy in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 Use the block function 100 times I dont care. Stop spewing lies. If you had examples of me disregarding facts without apologizing you would use them. You dont. Its a poor attempt in an argument. A bunch of fervent Sammy Watkins supporters arguing potential versus produced viable stats relevant to the long term benefit of the team? Gee who would have thought? Bunch of posters need to read this post slowly and pay particluar attention to each word. Then read it as a sentence. Would be beneficial for the overall discussions with regard to Sammy in the future. Can you please copy and paste the clip when he told the media this? https://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/195196-bills-trade-sammy-watkins-to-rams-for-cb-gaines-2nd-rd-pick/?p=4464843 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 "Facts dont care about your feelings". That's the part of your post that is hilarious and highly ironic given how often you ignore facts presented to you by other posters that run counter to your POV. kond of like the facts that Jordan Mathews has produced more in this league over the same period of time as Sammy Watkins? The fact that Sammy would be a FA at the end of the year and you could lose him for nothing? Or the fact that Sammy Watkins has consistently been hurt or injured? Facts are a rough thing. I get it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 (edited) kond of like the facts that Jordan Mathews has produced more in this league over the same period of time as Sammy Watkins? The fact that Sammy would be a FA at the end of the year and you could lose him for nothing? Or the fact that Sammy Watkins has consistently been hurt or injured? Facts are a rough thing. I get it Facts: Matthews has accumulated more numbers as a result of playing in 9 more games. Matthews will be a FA at the end of this year. Sammy outproduced Matthews is the 1st two seasons of their respective careers. Players get hurt just like Matthews is now. Sammy is by far the more talented and dynamic game changing player by the numbers. Edited August 17, 2017 by 26CornerBlitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000830633/article/sammy-watkins-already-turning-heads-on-la-rams Sammy Watkins already turning heads on L.A. Rams "I did a little bit," quarterback Jared Goff said when asked if he noticed Watkins' first head-turning catch this week, via the OC Register. "You try not to, but I did kind of turn around, like, 'Everyone see that? All right.' It was a good catch and hopefully something that won't be quite a surprise any more." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 @DailyNewsVinny 1. When you watch Sammy Watkins practice with #Rams, the impact is like putting Giancarlo Stanton in the middle of teams batting order. 2. The whole dynamic of the batting order changes. Including how other teams attack it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 Can you please copy and paste the clip when he told the media this? https://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/195196-bills-trade-sammy-watkins-to-rams-for-cb-gaines-2nd-rd-pick/?p=4464843 i love this commercial so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 Facts: Matthews has accumulated more numbers as a result of playing in 9 more games. Matthews will be a FA at the end of this year. Sammy outproduced Matthews is the 1st two seasons of their respective careers. Players get hurt just like Matthews is now. Sammy is by far the more talented and dynamic game changing player by the numbers. i won't deny that Sammy has more potential. But that means nothing. The fact is he's consistently been hurt or injured more and there has played less and can be relied on less. Yes, Mathews is a FA at the end of the year. The difference is, we have draft picks in the event that we don't resign either Mathews or Gaines. The Rams and Eagles have absolutely nothing going forward if they cannot resign them. You can mention the franchise tag but that goes for both teams of the trade. I still find it funny that as a fact. If their careers were over tomorrow, Mathews will go out with a better career based on actual, factual statistics. But you and many others want to keep making arguments for Sammy based on future production and potential for that. But that's not a given. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 i won't deny that Sammy has more potential. But that means nothing. The fact is he's consistently been hurt or injured more and there has played less and can be relied on less. Yes, Mathews is a FA at the end of the year. The difference is, we have draft picks in the event that we don't resign either Mathews or Gaines. The Rams and Eagles have absolutely nothing going forward if they cannot resign them. You can mention the franchise tag but that goes for both teams of the trade. I still find it funny that as a fact. If their careers were over tomorrow, Mathews will go out with a better career based on actual, factual statistics. But you and many others want to keep making arguments for Sammy based on future production and potential for that. But that's not a given. Matthews is a good player as a possession receiver. No denying that, but I'd take Sammy Watkins every day of the week and it's football so nothing is guaranteed when it comes to health, but things are looking good. @viccarucci My #Bills camp superlatives: McCoy, Peterman & Yarbrough sparkle http://buffalonews.c...brough-sparkle/ *Wide receiver: Sammy Watkins. Yes, I know he's no longer on the team, but he participated in most of the camp practices before the Bills traded him to the Los Angeles Rams last Friday. And he was easily better than any receiver on the roster through most of those workouts (newcomers Anquan Boldin and Jordan Matthews either didn't practice with him much or at all, so they aren't being factored into this assessment). Having finally recovered from the foot surgery he underwent in January, Watkins ran well and used his athleticism to the fullest to gain separation and make plays. He repeatedly out-jumped defenders for difficult catches of throws that were over his head. The Bills are going to miss the guy who showed up for camp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 The Bills are going to miss the guy who showed up for camp.[/b][/color]On the other hand they won't miss the guy that missed 8 games last year. 3 games the year before that. And numerous game where he didn't produce at all because he was too hurt to actually do anything on the field. They will also like the fact they have an additional 2nd rounder next draft for a guy that wasn't going to resign here anyway after the season. You'd take Sammy and I'd take Mathews. I'd rather go with actual production than potential only 60% of the time. You have to be able to count on your players. Let's make a bet. Assuming both players play healthy, which I believe both will because they are in contract years. Whoevers player puts up better numbers, the loser has to take the winner out to dinner. Reasonably priced. Not McDonalds, but not Peter Lugers. Somewhere in between. I'll gladly look across the table from you and watch you eat your $50 steak if I'm wrong. If Mathews outperforms Sammy, you return the favor. However, if Watkins gets hurt, again, and you cannot compare, I will not expect my dinner, just a "you were right" would do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill_with_it Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 Can you please copy and paste the clip when he told the media this? https://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/195196-bills-trade-sammy-watkins-to-rams-for-cb-gaines-2nd-rd-pick/?p=4464843 Yeah I already did it once: https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/sammy-watkins-to-bills-youre-making-me-look-bad-target-me-more/ "That's what I get mad at," Watkins said, "when I don't get looked at. I can look at film and his eyes go straight that way and I'm not getting looked at, at all. That's when I get frustrated. When I have one-on-one coverage, go to me. I don't care what's going on over there. I don't care if he's open. When I get one on one, just target me." Another fantastic Sammy quote: You're making me look bad and you're making yourself look bad. Heres another to which he advocated getting 15-20 targets a game eeven though the Bills only passed the ball 465 times that year or 29 times a game. So he wants 52%-69% off all pass attempts thrown his way? "For a guy you go up in the draft to take as your No. 1 receiver, you would love those 15 targets that Julio [Jones] gets, those 20 targets that Odell [beckham Jr.] gets," he told the newspaper. "Of course I'd have 100 yards every game and a TD, if I'm getting 20 targets."http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/13896976/sammy-watkins-tells-buffalo-bills-making-look-bad-lack-targets For reference OBJ had 158 targets of the 584 (games played adjusted) targets which is 27% of his teams passes of his iffense. Consequently Sammy watkins received 25.4% of the targets on average per the 13 games he played in 2015 or 96 out of 377.8 of his offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 On the other hand they won't miss the guy that missed 8 games last year. 3 games the year before that. And numerous game where he didn't produce at all because he was too hurt to actually do anything on the field. They will also like the fact they have an additional 2nd rounder next draft for a guy that wasn't going to resign here anyway after the season. You'd take Sammy and I'd take Mathews. I'd rather go with actual production than potential only 60% of the time. You have to be able to count on your players. Let's make a bet. Assuming both players play healthy, which I believe both will because they are in contract years. Whoevers player puts up better numbers, the loser has to take the winner out to dinner. Reasonably priced. Not McDonalds, but not Peter Lugers. Somewhere in between. I'll gladly look across the table from you and watch you eat your $50 steak if I'm wrong. If Mathews outperforms Sammy, you return the favor. However, if Watkins gets hurt, again, and you cannot compare, I will not expect my dinner, just a "you were right" would do it. You can have your accumulator and I'll take the dynamic playmaker who dictates coverage and makes explosive plays. Funny how the durable Matthews couldn't make through one practice before getting injured. I don't know why people like you keep posting that Sammy wasn't going to re-sign (not resign dammit) with the Bills when there's nothing to base that on and who's to say that Matthews will sign an extension with the Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 He was among the best if not the best receiver in the game the last 8 games of 2015. He had a serious foot injury last season that from all accounts is now 100%. He was going to produce big time this year, IMO. You keep him from FA next year by picking up his option. Not sure who you've been watching the past dozen plus years, but this regime has been a mess for a longgg time. A couple of newbies doesn't change that until the results on the field change. Wow. An eight game run two seasons ago. You've just proved my point. No one knows if his foot is fully healed and whether or not it can stand the rigors of a full season. It's certainly a risk. And until he can produce consistently he is what he is: A highly talented, but under productive WR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 You can have your accumulator and I'll take the dynamic playmaker who dictates coverage and makes explosive plays. Funny how the durable Matthews couldn't make through one practice before getting injured. I don't know why people like you keep posting that Sammy wasn't going to re-sign (not resign dammit) with the Bills when there's nothing to base that on and who's to say that Matthews will sign an extension with the Bills. thanks for being the grammar police. SDS, we found someone to add to the moderator team. Who is to say he wouldn't re-sign? I already said I don't care if Mathews re-signs. The fact is you got a 2nd round pick when you wouldn't have had it. You ended up with a WR that has produced more numbers than your beloved Sammy has for this season. It's funny how Sammy has never EVER not had some kind of ailment since being in the Bills. First it was his ribs, then he had leg and foot problems that lasted over a full season. Put your money where your mouth is big shot. Take me up on my bet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 (edited) Wow. An eight game run two seasons ago. You've just proved my point. No one knows if his foot is fully healed and whether or not it can stand the rigors of a full season. It's certainly a risk. And until he can produce consistently he is what he is: A highly talented, but under productive WR. He played in 29 of 32 games in his 1st two seasons with over 2000 yards and 15 TDs in run oriented offenses under Hackett and Roman. Is that under productive? The fact that he's had a 2nd surgery to correct the Jones fracture (just like Julio Jones, Dez Bryant, and Julian Edelman) and being able to go full bore in camp bodes well for him. thanks for being the grammar police. SDS, we found someone to add to the moderator team. Who is to say he wouldn't re-sign? I already said I don't care if Mathews re-signs. The fact is you got a 2nd round pick when you wouldn't have had it. You ended up with a WR that has produced more numbers than your beloved Sammy has for this season. It's funny how Sammy has never EVER not had some kind of ailment since being in the Bills. First it was his ribs, then he had leg and foot problems that lasted over a full season. Put your money where your mouth is big shot. Take me up on my bet I'm on the record just as you are. No need for any wager. We'll see who's right and revisit the subject later because I'm not going anywhere. BTW, !@#$ a 2nd round pick! Edited August 17, 2017 by 26CornerBlitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 You can have your accumulator and I'll take the dynamic playmaker who dictates coverage and makes explosive plays. Funny how the durable Matthews couldn't make through one practice before getting injured. I don't know why people like you keep posting that Sammy wasn't going to re-sign (not resign dammit) with the Bills when there's nothing to base that on and who's to say that Matthews will sign an extension with the Bills. If the acquired pick in the trade is used in a deal to move up to acquire a better qb prospect then the deal would be well worth it. As I stated in a response to Kirby it was apparent that Watkins was going to be moved after he was not tendered. With the current qb and the expected design of the offense the dispatched receiver was not going to have a team impact commensurate with his talents. I also got the sense that of his own volition he preferred moving on to a team that could better utilized him, just like Gilmore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 (edited) If the acquired pick in the trade is used in a deal to move up to acquire a better qb prospect then the deal would be well worth it. As I stated in a response to Kirby it was apparent that Watkins was going to be moved after he was not tendered. With the current qb and the expected design of the offense the dispatched receiver was not going to have a team impact commensurate with his talents. I also got the sense that of his own volition he preferred moving on to a team that could better utilized him, just like Gilmore. Firstly, I believe they already had enough ammo between assets in '18 (and '19 if necessary) to acquire the QB prospect. Secondly, I'm not so convinced of that when I look at guys like Andre Johnson and Demaryius Thomas who enjoyed tremendous success in as #1 WRs this style of offense. Finally, the point I keep making is that if the plan is, as it seems, to acquire a potential franchise QB then it is smart to retain a 24 year old dynamic game changing receiver in anticipation of that. Shortsighted trade IMO. Edited August 17, 2017 by 26CornerBlitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 You don't need to trade Sammy Watkins to draft a QB. End of story. You might need the pick received in the trade to get the qb you want. If the organization felt that Watkins was not going to re-sign then the deal made sense, at least to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuncha Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 (edited) Right, Uber talented guy that's 24 and had a little bad luck with an injury? Who looks healthy now? Why would we want that? Not happening anyways 5 picks and a healthy Watkins even better thou So many people infatuated with Sissy Watchkins. Nothing but a waste of two number one picks. Uber talented?? Perhaps in college...nothing but uber injured in the NFL. Edited August 17, 2017 by Azucho98 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 So many people infatuated with Sissy Watchkins. Nothing but a waste of two number one picks. Enlightening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 He played in 29 of 32 games in his 1st two seasons with over 2000 yards and 15 TDs in run oriented offenses under Hackett and Roman. Is that under productive? The fact that he's had a 2nd surgery to correct the Jones fracture (just like Julio Jones, Dez Bryant, and Julian Edelman) and being able to go full bore in camp bodes well for him. I'm on the record just as you are. No need for any wager. We'll see who's right and revisit the subject later because I'm not going anywhere. BTW, !@#$ a 2nd round pick! hes not even on the same level of Amy of those receivers numbers wise. But believe what you want. While we're revisiting the subject later I'd like to add in Mathews plus what we get for the picknwe acquired for Sammy. And Tom Brady was a 6th rounder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 (edited) hes not even on the same level of Amy of those receivers numbers wise. But believe what you want. While we're revisiting the subject later I'd like to add in Mathews plus what we get for the picknwe acquired for Sammy. And Tom Brady was a 6th rounder. Wrong yet again fish breath! Compares favorably comparably to Jones after three years: Factor in Sammy's numbers being generated with EJ, Orton, and Tyrod as his QBs. Edited August 17, 2017 by 26CornerBlitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 Wrong yet again fish breath! Compares favorably to Jones after three years: Look, I think you know I don't bash Sammy or anything, but those stats aren't favorable. They're comparable, I suppose. but in 3 more games he had fewer targets, fewer catches, fewer yards, and fewer TDs. That isn't favorable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 Look, I think you know I don't bash Sammy or anything, but those stats aren't favorable. They're comparable, I suppose. but in 3 more games he had fewer targets, fewer catches, fewer yards, and fewer TDs. That isn't favorable. You're right. A better word is comparable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 Yeah I already did it once: https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/sammy-watkins-to-bills-youre-making-me-look-bad-target-me-more/ "That's what I get mad at," Watkins said, "when I don't get looked at. I can look at film and his eyes go straight that way and I'm not getting looked at, at all. That's when I get frustrated. When I have one-on-one coverage, go to me. I don't care what's going on over there. I don't care if he's open. When I get one on one, just target me." Another fantastic Sammy quote: You're making me look bad and you're making yourself look bad. Heres another to which he advocated getting 15-20 targets a game eeven though the Bills only passed the ball 465 times that year or 29 times a game. So he wants 52%-69% off all pass attempts thrown his way? "For a guy you go up in the draft to take as your No. 1 receiver, you would love those 15 targets that Julio [Jones] gets, those 20 targets that Odell [beckham Jr.] gets," he told the newspaper. "Of course I'd have 100 yards every game and a TD, if I'm getting 20 targets."http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/13896976/sammy-watkins-tells-buffalo-bills-making-look-bad-lack-targets For reference OBJ had 158 targets of the 584 (games played adjusted) targets which is 27% of his teams passes of his iffense. Consequently Sammy watkins received 25.4% of the targets on average per the 13 games he played in 2015 or 96 out of 377.8 of his offense. I'm asking about where he said he wants the ball "at the expense of the win/loss record?" I've never seen that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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