Webster Guy Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 Yes, 4 days into training camp is adequate time to evaluate whether or not we'll cut young players. Especially the 2015 SEC defensive player of the year and first team all American. Maybe cut Sammy and Kyle too. Cut Kim Pegula and the midget trainer guy. Also our punter, lets just go for it on every 4th down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusher Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 Not a chance. This guy is a player, and he will show it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 Not a chance. This guy is a player, and he will show it. agree. he will no doubt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 I think MOST GM's want "their" guy, no?I don't think that was the case here. Rex wanted guys for his scheme. Ragland fit that mold. The Scouting staff might have preferred another guy (they might not have) but they drafted scheme specific. Well whoever it was should have been fired that night. From all the Rex chatter I can agree that he would have been pushing for Ragland. Instead of adapting to the changes in the game they attempted to reinvent 70's football.Yep, and the Bills could have been good the last 2 years. I think if they would have had the same personnel with the coaching staff from 2014 the drought would be over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crowing Rooster Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 I don't think so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 Yep, and the Bills could have been good the last 2 years. I think if they would have had the same personnel with the coaching staff from 2014 the drought would be over. agreed Kirby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Bills Fan Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 I dont think so at all. This is pretty much his first year so Im gonna cut him some slack CBF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 agreed Kirby. They fooled me, they avoided drafting Lee, I was psyched then they proceeded to kick me in the nuts. Here's to hoping Beane and McD have a better working relationship and a grasp on where the NFL is now as far as style of play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinii Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 It would be a surprise to say the least. If this regime doesn't value him there is probably one that does, so a trade could be an option (they got something for Cardale) but I would say the possibility of getting cut is somewhere between SLIM and NONE Yes, 4 days into training camp is adequate time to evaluate whether or not we'll cut young players. Especially the 2015 SEC defensive player of the year and first team all American. Maybe cut Sammy and Kyle too. Cut Kim Pegula and the midget trainer guy. Also our punter, lets just go for it on every 4th down. Analytics say going for it on fourth down is the correct call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 EJ had a 0.0 chance. EJ had a better Comeback( Panthers) than TT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perk71 Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 WOW! lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 EJ had a better Comeback( Panthers) than TT should of never cut him loose. they made a very big mistake sending him to the raiders and keeping TT. the season is doomed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 Will stick and be a good Situational LBer. Just not athletic enough to stay on the field all three downs (knee doesn't help), ooo and then you question his desire as well (you question ANYONEs desire that has to have a weight clause put in their contract) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 Will stick and be a good Situational LBer. Just not athletic enough to stay on the field all three downs (knee doesn't help), ooo and then you question his desire as well (you question ANYONEs desire that has to have a weight clause put in their contract) Go back and look at last years TC pictures where he has love handles hanging out of his shorts. A day later or so he blew out his knee. Can we call him Kripsy Kreme? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 Will stick and be a good Situational LBer. Just not athletic enough to stay on the field all three downs (knee doesn't help), ooo and then you question his desire as well (you question ANYONEs desire that has to have a weight clause put in their contract) 3 downs? Probably not - and in some games his role will be very limited. However, he can tackle better than probably anyone else on the team and he isn't a terrible zone coverage player. Seeing as we had a ton of missed tackles last year as the year went on, he'll definitely get some snaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 The Surprise is going to be Preston Brown, you know the LBer that last time in a 4-3 made Kiko Alonso expendable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 I'm with Maj Bobby on this. I think Preston Brown returns to solid form and Ragland is depth. He may play in short yardage but his future isn't as an every down guy. I hope that I am wrong about Ragland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 The Surprise is going to be Preston Brown, you know the LBer that last time in a 4-3 made Kiko Alonso expendable. Would be nice... Honestly our depth at the position isn't bad. PB, 2 rookies (basically 3 with ragland), hodges/humber, and lorax who might be playing end/edge rusher by the end of the year with the depth we have as it stands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 Will stick and be a good Situational LBer. Just not athletic enough to stay on the field all three downs (knee doesn't help), ooo and then you question his desire as well (you question ANYONEs desire that has to have a weight clause put in their contract) THIS is the biggest question I have for this team -this season and beyond. It appears we have a LOT of talent at LB, including the 2 rookies. But in this Pass-happy League, even 3 LB's on the field at one time is becoming rare. It isn't unusual anymore to see 6-7 DB's on the field -even on 1st down. I haven't heard anyone say this yet, but a 2-9 scheme is popping up more and more. If not actual DB's, certainly LB/DB 'tweeners are making inroads into the pro game. Much of which is dependent on opponents schemes and tendencies, but it's becoming the norm. This thread has a few references to 'throwback LB's'. Yeah, as in 2 years ago.. JMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 I am actually not worried about the Mike at all. SAM does worry me a bit (Can Lorax play that position in the 4-3). WILL scares the **** out of me THIS is the biggest question I have for this team -this season and beyond. It appears we have a LOT of talent at LB, including the 2 rookies. But in this Pass-happy League, even 3 LB's on the field at one time is becoming rare. It isn't unusual anymore to see 6-7 DB's on the field -even on 1st down. I haven't heard anyone say this yet, but a 2-9 scheme is popping up more and more. If not actual DB's, certainly LB/DB 'tweeners are making inroads into the pro game. Much of which is dependent on opponents schemes and tendencies, but it's becoming the norm. This thread has a few references to 'throwback LB's'. Yeah, as in 2 years ago.. JMO. Yep if you look at the two Rookies drafted they are both that Hybrid S/LBer player 228lb and 223lb. Then look at the other Rooks / 1 year player in Camp - 235, and 220 The days of the 250 LB thumper that struggle with athletic ability are gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 I'm with Maj Bobby on this. I think Preston Brown returns to solid form and Ragland is depth. He may play in short yardage but his future isn't as an every down guy. I hope that I am wrong about Ragland. I dunno - he's a run stopper. Teams run the ball less, but they do still run it. I can't say he's... exclusively a short yardage player. He was SEC defensive player of the year... so I do think there's some natural talent and instincts you can take advantage of. Not to mention PB is a UFA, and we have ragland for 2 more years... so I think beane/SM want him to succeed. THIS is the biggest question I have for this team -this season and beyond. It appears we have a LOT of talent at LB, including the 2 rookies. But in this Pass-happy League, even 3 LB's on the field at one time is becoming rare. It isn't unusual anymore to see 6-7 DB's on the field -even on 1st down. I haven't heard anyone say this yet, but a 2-9 scheme is popping up more and more. If not actual DB's, certainly LB/DB 'tweeners are making inroads into the pro game. Much of which is dependent on opponents schemes and tendencies, but it's becoming the norm. This thread has a few references to 'throwback LB's'. Yeah, as in 2 years ago.. JMO. put 9 db's on the field and i will run on you every single play... just saying... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 I dunno - he's a run stopper. Teams run the ball less, but they do still run it. I can't say he's... exclusively a short yardage player. He was SEC defensive player of the year... so I do think there's some natural talent and instincts you can take advantage of. Not to mention PB is a UFA, and we have ragland for 2 more years... so I think beane/SM want him to succeed. put 9 db's on the field and i will run on you every single play... just saying... not likely on 3rd & long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 (edited) I dunno - he's a run stopper. Teams run the ball less, but they do still run it. I can't say he's... exclusively a short yardage player. He was SEC defensive player of the year... so I do think there's some natural talent and instincts you can take advantage of. Not to mention PB is a UFA, and we have ragland for 2 more years... so I think beane/SM want him to succeed. put 9 db's on the field and i will run on you every single play... just saying... They likely do want him to succeed however being taken off the Field in the National Championship game when he faces with a team that has NFL speed is very telling to me with his long term viability in the NFL due to lack of athleticism for this level Edited July 31, 2017 by MAJBobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uffalo Ills Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 Not a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark80 Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 According to reports he has yet to take a rep other than backup MLB. I suspect they would rather have a backup MLB that can play multiple positions like the others have been doing. Just like Cardale Jones, this kid has no ties to this regime and seems at least on paper to not fit the defense. I never liked the pick, but was hoping he could push P. Brown out of a job. So far the best I can hope for now is P. Brown bounces back to 2015 form. Thoughts? I don't know. Maybe, just maybe, we don't make crazy assumptions based on 4 days worth of practice. My gosh. 2nd year player, 2nd round pick, played very well last camp, recovering from significant injury, and no MLB depth. He will be given a fair shot eventually, no doubt in my mind, and he will be better than Preston and take over sooner rather than later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 (edited) They likely do want him to succeed however being taken off the Field in the National Championship game when he faces with a team that has NFL speed is very telling to me with his long term viability in the NFL due to lack of athleticism for this level Very true, can't teach speed - but you also can't teach instincts. He's some intriguing in the middle type of guy. Considering the injury though, I think it would be very premature to cut him at this juncture. Especially without extending your starting Mike backer. Edited July 31, 2017 by dneveu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Muellers Ghost Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 I'm not sure the Bills were crazy with his offseason conditioning as well. Minicamp he looked rather slow according to a couple people I know although at Fisher I thought he looked okay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 I'm not sure the Bills were crazy with his offseason conditioning as well. Minicamp he looked rather slow according to a couple people I know although at Fisher I thought he looked okay. Slow ramp up from the injury maybe? I know they usually like to be extra careful in minicamps and OTAs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 Where are all those experts on Ragland?!?!?! The ones who said he was great! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 Where are all those experts on Ragland?!?!?! The ones who said he was great! The OP proves he's not going to be good or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 Where are all those experts on Ragland?!?!?! The ones who said he was great!Where are the experts that know for a fact he cant play in a 4-3? Keep in mind...Frazier said before camp started that he believes that both Brown AND Ragland could be on the field at the same time. Meaning perhaps that Rags is a top 3 LB'er on this team. Just because he hasn't had first team reps yet, doesn't mean that he won't the more comfortable in the scheme, and on his knee he becomes. It's early. I still say if the best 3 play, its Brown at Will, Rags at MLB and Zo at Sam. Time will tell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Things Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 He's going to be just fine. (We really need to save this thread and re-open it in about 5 years.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfanAZ Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 The notion of Ragland getting cut is crazy. Why would you cut a guy who has talent and isnt costing much on a rookie contract. He hasnt even played a game yet. Ragland said he has lost weight so he will be fine. Everyone was exciting about the Hodges signing and he is just running with the 2's and 3's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Direhard Fan Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 Six pages on Rag and it's only the fourth day of camp. Premature for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 Where are the experts that know for a fact he cant play in a 4-3? Keep in mind...Frazier said before camp started that he believes that both Brown AND Ragland could be on the field at the same time. Meaning perhaps that Rags is a top 3 LB'er on this team. Just because he hasn't had first team reps yet, doesn't mean that he won't the more comfortable in the scheme, and on his knee he becomes. It's early. I still say if the best 3 play, its Brown at Will, Rags at MLB and Zo at Sam. Time will telloh my a top 3 LB on this team! ****,our best LB this team wouldn't start on 16 teams just throwing the number out there. The OP proves he's not going to be good or something?just waiting with baited breath Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 (edited) oh my a top 3 LB on this team! ****,our best LB this team wouldn't start on 16 teams just throwing the number out there. ***16 huh? Is that the number? That you're just "throwing" out? Give me the 16 then please? **** just waiting with baited breath Edited July 31, 2017 by BuffAlone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROONDOGG55 Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 According to reports he has yet to take a rep other than backup MLB. I suspect they would rather have a backup MLB that can play multiple positions like the others have been doing. Just like Cardale Jones, this kid has no ties to this regime and seems at least on paper to not fit the defense. I never liked the pick, but was hoping he could push P. Brown out of a job. So far the best I can hope for now is P. Brown bounces back to 2015 form. Thoughts? So, I watched Tropic Thunder last night, and I took one thing away from it that I think would benefit you. - "Never go full retard!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 should of never cut him loose. they made a very big mistake sending him to the raiders and keeping TT. the season is doomed 😂😂😂 Smart ass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 If we cut Reggie, is that like losing a first rounder in 2017? Do we get a second rounder back? Does anyone have the math on this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 (edited) oh my a top 3 LB on this team! ****,our best LB this team wouldn't start on 16 teams just throwing the number out there. ***16 huh? Is that the number? That you're just "throwing" out? Give me the 16 then please? **** just waiting with baited breath new EnglandSeattle Miami Atlanta Cleveland Cleveland Cleveland Cleveland Cleveland Cleveland Cleveland Cleveland Cleveland Cleveland Cleveland Cleveland Edited July 31, 2017 by Boyst62 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts