DC Tom Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Yes, Queens count in this formula I think. They're fair game. I'd be surprised if either go tonight, Cersei's clock is ticking but it feels like she makes it into season the final season. Snow could die again (and be resurrected again). Isn't Euron a King? He definitely could go. Tormund's a king. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted August 28, 2017 Author Share Posted August 28, 2017 HBO Now unable to play video, please try again later Looks like HBO had about a 20 minute outage on their biggest night of 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 All about Littlefinger getting it. Come on Spot on The only death of note. 👏👏👏👏 Aegon Targarian getting it on with his Aunt. That's Jon Smow btw Need some Pink Floyd Tear down the wall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Awesome episode. There were some slow spots in it. Surprising considering how quickly everything has been moving. Anyone else get the feeling Tyrion is going to flip because he's upset he can't get Danny? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 I now firmly believe that the whole not taking out John Snow and crew was just to get one of Dany's dragons so they could take down that wall The undead dragon now seems even stronger then it was when it was alive.....but taking out the main whitewalker should kill it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 I now firmly believe that the whole not taking out John Snow and crew was just to get one of Dany's dragons so they could take down that wall The undead dragon now seems even stronger then it was when it was alive.....but taking out the main whitewalker should kill it im going to guess that Bran can just warg with the dragon and deal with it that way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 (edited) I thought it was a good finale and far superior than last weeks episode. I thought strategy wise it would have been smart for Dany to have Drogon just take out Cersei but whatever. Thought there would be more deaths this season, but I guess it makes next years more exciting. How in the hell are they going to wrap this up in only six episodes? Bittersweet to see Littlefinger die and it's sad that Tormund died (I'm assuming). Jaime is finally is like WTF is wrong with you Cersei? I thought he might slit her throat right there. Bran is quickly honing his craft in the nick of time. Jon may be a Targaryen, but he's a spitting image character wise as his uncle Ned (honorable to a fault). My main complaint is Jon and Dany have about as much chemistry together as Tyrod and Clay do on the football field. Edited August 28, 2017 by Doc Brown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 I thought it was a good finale and far superior than last weeks episode. I thought strategy wise it would have been smart for Dany to have Drogon just take out Cersei but whatever. Thought there would be more deaths this season, but I guess it makes next years more exciting. How in the hell are they going to wrap this up in only six episodes? Bittersweet to see Littlefinger die and it's sad that Tormund died (I'm assuming). Jaime is finally is like WTF is wrong with you Cersei? I thought he might slit her throat right there. Bran is quickly honing his craft in the nick of time. Jon may be a Targaryen, but he's a spitting image character wise as his uncle Ned (honorable to a fault). My main complaint is Jon and Dany have about as much chemistry together as Tyrod and Clay do on the football field. its interesting because I thought John and Dany actually had more chemistry this episode and did a good job with it. Her relationship with him is different then the other men she has been with....its special Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 (edited) My understanding is that all of next season's episodes are going to be "long" ones like the last two. Oh, and Tormund and Beric made it out of the castle -- they aren't dead. Edited August 28, 2017 by eball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KermitMcDermott Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 (edited) So this is over? Now I can actually start the binge watching. Never seen an episode. Edited August 28, 2017 by KermitMcDermott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 My understanding is that all of next season's episodes are going to be "long" ones like the last two. Oh, and Tormund and Beric made it out of the castle -- they aren't dead. I thought they never got off the wall, rather they made it to the part that was still standing? Either way, it looked like they survived. Great finish! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 (edited) Awesome episode. There were some slow spots in it. Surprising considering how quickly everything has been moving. Anyone else get the feeling Tyrion is going to flip because he's upset he can't get Danny? He and his sister had some "private" words and her being pregnant may be something that takes him to a path in the road where he can betray his sister or his young queen. I thought it was a good finale and far superior than last weeks episode. I thought strategy wise it would have been smart for Dany to have Drogon just take out Cersei but whatever. Thought there would be more deaths this season, but I guess it makes next years more exciting. How in the hell are they going to wrap this up in only six episodes? Bittersweet to see Littlefinger die and it's sad that Tormund died (I'm assuming). Jaime is finally is like WTF is wrong with you Cersei? I thought he might slit her throat right there. Bran is quickly honing his craft in the nick of time. Jon may be a Targaryen, but he's a spitting image character wise as his uncle Ned (honorable to a fault). My main complaint is Jon and Dany have about as much chemistry together as Tyrod and Clay do on the football field. How long can the war against the Knight King really last? All 6 or 7 episodes? Tormund was on a part of the wall that may not have collapsed. He and the Hound have to fight it out for Brienne. Might be Jamie intercedes and steals the Gold Company and their elephants. Edited August 28, 2017 by ShadyBillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 (edited) My understanding is that all of next season's episodes are going to be "long" ones like the last two. Oh, and Tormund and Beric made it out of the castle -- they aren't dead. Oh, I thought they died when the wall came down. I was going to say that's a horrible way for an awesome character like Tormund to die. its interesting because I thought John and Dany actually had more chemistry this episode and did a good job with it. Her relationship with him is different then the other men she has been with....its special I respectfully disagree and I think the problem is that despite their importance to the story and how we've basically rooted for them for seven years now, they're really not that interesting of characters. I also think they're both subpar actors. Shout out to Lena Headey by the way as she doesn't get enough credit for how well she plays Cersei. He and his sister had some "private" words and her being pregnant may be something that makes him to a path in the road where he can betray his sister or his young queen, I don't see Tyrion and Cersei ever working together as they've hated each other guts since childhood. I think Tyrion had his mind more on an heir to Dany explaining why he looked conflicted knowing Jon and her were having sex. Either that or he knows his sister well enough that she won't send her troops North like she agreed on and feels guilty in making Jon and Dany believe that. Edited August 28, 2017 by Doc Brown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt in KC Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Doc Brown, I agree, much better than last week. I think Tyrion argued if Cersei cooperated, her child would be allowed to live. It is the only believable way she would support them. We often have not heard the end of Tyrion's conversations, just seen the results. In this case, we are left to fill in the blanks between Tyrion's look saying Cersei being pregnant changes everything, and him not being surprised she is having the Lannister forces join them. ... I don't see Tyrion and Cersei ever working together as they've hated each other guts since childhood. I think Tyrion had his mind more on an heir to Dany explaining why he looked conflicted knowing Jon and her were having sex. Either that or he knows his sister well enough that she won't send her troops North like she agreed on and feels guilty in making Jon and Dany believe that. Doc, why would he be conflicted? I doubt he told Cersei her child might be heir because Dany is infertile. (If so, count that as her betrayal for love.) And yet I agree. I am not sure what his look meant outside their cabin door. I agree Harrington and Clark seem to lack some of the range of the other actors, though their chemistry is passable on the show. For John, bring uncomplicated is a part of his appeal. Where do you think the Hound ended up? He hasn't pledged himself to anyone that we have seen, and we didn't see the group return to the Targaryen ship. Tormund is still alive. I rewatched, and it's clear the ice dragon melted the wall from where he started, to the left, toward the sea. He and Dondarrion made it to the first bit of wall that remained, and had a perfect view of the dead passing through the void. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted August 28, 2017 Author Share Posted August 28, 2017 The Hound despises the Lannisters and wants to kill The Mountain, so I doubt he casts his lot in with Cersei He traveled North of the Wall and knows the stakes so I doubt he sits it out which puts him in with House Targarian/Stark I'm more interested in who Bronn declares for. Does the Sellsword follow the Lannisters gold to Cersei or does Honor and friendship lead him to Jamie and Tyrion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt in KC Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 The Hound despises the Lannisters and wants to kill The Mountain, so I doubt he casts his lot in with Cersei He traveled North of the Wall and knows the stakes so I doubt he sits it out which puts him in with House Targarian/Stark I'm more interested in who Bronn declares for. Does the Sellsword follow the Lannisters gold to Cersei or does Honor and friendship lead him to Jamie and Tyrion My consideration was if he stayed behind to get his moment with his brother. He has always been practical, and not prone to take on a suicide mission, but the show seems to be increasingly ham handedly queuing up the resolution points we have been anticipating. As an aside, this feels like regression from a well-thought-out web of circumstance and motivation (Martin), to typical high-budget pop culture entertainment. I loved the moment between Brienne and the Hound, talking about Arya. Did I imagine him grinning like a proud pappa? Re Bronn: Cersei's deception doesn't work if the Lannister forces don't act like they are joining the Great War. Bronn will be intermixed with the combined armies when (if) Cersei brings the Golden Company to attack their rear. I have no doubt how Bronn would react, but I think there is also no way any of that happens before Jaimie gets to him... unless of course he is eaten by a large pack of wolves mid-continent. Again bitching about expedience, why on earth would Cersei tell Jaimie her plan and let him ride away? Is Jaimie, and her love of family her fatal weakness? I strongly suspect the books will be completely different at this point and moving forward. And restating a guess I made up-thread: I think Daario shows up next season with the Essos sell-swords. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Nobody really believes Cersei is pregnant, right? Seems an obvious ploy to try and keep Jamie in the fold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Euron' baby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Nobody really believes Cersei is pregnant, right? Seems an obvious ploy to try and keep Jamie in the fold. Too late for that, I think. After that final scene between the two, I think Jaime is through with her for good. The next time we see him, I think it'll be at Winterfell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 I just dont want Dany to lose another dragon fighting with the now bad ice dragon. Why am I so concerned for the dragon's safety? Am I about to start a new cult now that others have taken the leadership of the COT? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peevo Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 I just dont want Dany to lose another dragon fighting with the now bad ice dragon. Why am I so concerned for the dragon's safety? Am I about to start a new cult now that others have taken the leadership of the COT? It's tough. I think to level the playing field, (which I think already is a stretch considering how broken the Night King already is) a dragon HAD to die. I mean, what's sicker than ice zombies v dragons than ICE ZOMBIE DRAGONS V DRAGONS? Even though Khaleesi still has the dragonvantage (sorry, had to), I still don't see how team pulse makes it out on top in 6 episodes. The dead are at least 100,000 and climbing, and you've only got 2 armies committed to the cause. Could The Kingslayer himself use his Valyrian steel to take out the Night King? Could he be Azor Ahai all along? It seems like Jamie's gone full good guy and leaving his sister for good. We'll see if he it makes to the North alive. Despite some pacing/clumsy issues with this season, is there really any debate we've lived the greatest television event in history? What tops this damn show? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Nobody really believes Cersei is pregnant, right? Seems an obvious ploy to try and keep Jamie in the fold. The prophesy was that she'd have three kids, and all three would die. Either she's lying, or she dies before she can give birth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 It's tough. I think to level the playing field, (which I think already is a stretch considering how broken the Night King already is) a dragon HAD to die. I mean, what's sicker than ice zombies v dragons than ICE ZOMBIE DRAGONS V DRAGONS? Even though Khaleesi still has the dragonvantage (sorry, had to), I still don't see how team pulse makes it out on top in 6 episodes. The dead are at least 100,000 and climbing, and you've only got 2 armies committed to the cause. Could The Kingslayer himself use his Valyrian steel to take out the Night King? Could he be Azor Ahai all along? It seems like Jamie's gone full good guy and leaving his sister for good. We'll see if he it makes to the North alive. Despite some pacing/clumsy issues with this season, is there really any debate we've lived the greatest television event in history? What tops this damn show? I still think the whole "a higher level ice guy dies and several die right along with it" is going to come into play here.......I envision the good armies getting their buts kicked then someone takes out the main ice dude and the whole undead army just collapses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 I still think the whole "a higher level ice guy dies and several die right along with it" is going to come into play here.......I envision the good armies getting their buts kicked then someone takes out the main ice dude and the whole undead army just collapses. That would go hand and hand with viewers hearing about the wall for 6 seasons and then having it shredded in less than a minute from some ice breathing snow melting dragon. Winter is coming! Then Snow/Arya/Jamie go rogue and land a killing blow on bad boss and all the bad guys die. Sounds like a bad ending. Have Dany burn down all the rubbish with her dragons, let them swing a few swords against night king, then have cersei and company flip the script and attack the northerners and make it an absolute blood bath. The only thing that remains is Tyrion, a room full of hookers, and of course Briene and the Hound. They shall restart civilization with lots of amazing amazon style sex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Too much exegetic dialogue. Forced interactions. Wasted what could have been a great scene with Jon Snow/Theon. And a no dick/balls punchline for the kicker. I was pretty disappointed TBH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peevo Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Too much exegetic dialogue. Forced interactions. Wasted what could have been a great scene with Jon Snow/Theon. And a no dick/balls punchline for the kicker. I was pretty disappointed TBH. Meh. The Greyjoys are in my opinion the most useless House and most useless storyline in the entire plot. Why should I root for yet another Theon redemption arc? What's the point of them at all? They serve no purpose, other than to ferry a few dozen thousand soldiers over the Narrow Sea to add to the Night King's roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt in KC Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Meh. The Greyjoys are in my opinion the most useless House and most useless storyline in the entire plot. Why should I root for yet another Theon redemption arc? What's the point of them at all? They serve no purpose, other than to ferry a few dozen thousand soldiers over the Narrow Sea to add to the Night King's roster. Perhaps to stop many of Euron's ships from arriving from Essos? Also, thinking ahead to the show's end point, Yara is the only ruler of the Iron Islands that makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ocemur Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Alrighty, we've got a year to spout wild theories, sooo, why wait? I think whether it's the books or the series writers, the prophecies have to pay off, or we've been wasting a lot of time. So, we need The Prince that was Promised. They have finally confirmed that Jon is Prince Aegon, so I'm going with him. Cersei needs to fear the little brother. I'm going to throw a wild card out there and say the Hound kills Cersei incidentally to trying to kill the Mountain. No kids for Dany, but one of the dragons turns out to be female and lays three eggs before all three dragons go down in the final battles. Tyrion sits on the Iron throne having been revealed a Targ, with Varys his hand. Dany dies, Jon/Aegon dies. Jaime dies. Bronn lives. Arya disappears, nobody knows if she's alive or dead. Does Cersei use some Iron Bank cash to hire a faceless man? Seems like we need Jaquen H'gar to put in a final appearance. I forgot how many characters are still alive and need story lines wrapped up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 (edited) I don't see Tyrion and Cersei ever working together as they've hated each other guts since childhood. I think Tyrion had his mind more on an heir to Dany explaining why he looked conflicted knowing Jon and her were having sex. Either that or he knows his sister well enough that she won't send her troops North like she agreed on and feels guilty in making Jon and Dany believe that. Hard to guess what was going on inside his mind. He could have at least smiled to see Dany happy for a bit. Nobody really believes Cersei is pregnant, right? Seems an obvious ploy to try and keep Jamie in the fold. that worked so well. Jamie's gone The prophesy was that she'd have three kids, and all three would die. Either she's lying, or she dies before she can give birth. Littlefinger pays her a visit. Too much exegetic dialogue. Forced interactions. Wasted what could have been a great scene with Jon Snow/Theon. And a no dick/balls punchline for the kicker. I was pretty disappointed TBH. that was awesome, the captain thinking kicking Theon in the nads would work, then try it 3 more times? whatta dumbass I'll bet Dany is pregnant before they got to Winterfell. As foretold Melisandre returns - but for what purpose?? Edited August 28, 2017 by ShadyBillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Good finish. I was correct a few pages back on the sisters playing out Mayor Tommy Carcetti's plot to turn against themselves. Never plot to tear sisters apart.... the failed nutcracking didn't work but GAVE HIM STRENGTH like Popeye eating spinch.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 My consideration was if he stayed behind to get his moment with his brother. He has always been practical, and not prone to take on a suicide mission, but the show seems to be increasingly ham handedly queuing up the resolution points we have been anticipating. As an aside, this feels like regression from a well-thought-out web of circumstance and motivation (Martin), to typical high-budget pop culture entertainment. I loved the moment between Brienne and the Hound, talking about Arya. Did I imagine him grinning like a proud pappa? Re Bronn: Cersei's deception doesn't work if the Lannister forces don't act like they are joining the Great War. Bronn will be intermixed with the combined armies when (if) Cersei brings the Golden Company to attack their rear. I have no doubt how Bronn would react, but I think there is also no way any of that happens before Jaimie gets to him... unless of course he is eaten by a large pack of wolves mid-continent. Again bitching about expedience, why on earth would Cersei tell Jaimie her plan and let him ride away? Is Jaimie, and her love of family her fatal weakness? I strongly suspect the books will be completely different at this point and moving forward. And restating a guess I made up-thread: I think Daario shows up next season with the Essos sell-swords. That seems to be the case and something I was afraid of as this show gained in popularity and they starting writing without the benefits of Martin's source material. I felt like this season they were too concise in both the screenplay and in the editing room in order to get the story moving at a rapid pace. I said this before but they could of easily done 10 episodes with more dialogue and that would fixed a lot of the timeline problems. The Hound shined in last nights episode like he usually does. The way he hesitated when unleashing the wight, how he showed concern for Arya despite her leaving him to die, and confronting his brother. I also don't know why Cersei let Jaime go. Her plan of just letting everyone else and the Night King's army duke it out hoping they'd cause enough damage for the winner to have the Lannister army finish them off is evil, but a decent plan. I don't think Jaime informing Dany/Jon of her plan does anything significant though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Too much exegetic dialogue. Forced interactions. Wasted what could have been a great scene with Jon Snow/Theon. And a no dick/balls punchline for the kicker. I was pretty disappointed TBH. Disagree with the first point. With all the characters coming together against the real enemy, those interactions aren't forced and are exactly what I want to see. That fight with Theon was really dumb. I cringed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ocemur Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 I don't think Jaime informing Dany/Jon of her plan does anything significant though. Not in terms of the war, but for Jaime's character arc, it's a doozy. If he's headed for Winterfell, he get's to deal with Bran, who would know how he fell now. Or Dany, who's father he stabbed. Basically he went from the first episode being a serious villain to possibly doing something heroic in the final season. He's going to sacrifice his life to save the cause somehow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Does anyone find it problematic that the huge three-episode-spanning plan to capture a zombie and bring it to Cersei, which lost them a dragon and almost got 90% of the show's cast killed (not to mention tore a giant hole in the Westerosi spacetime continuum), was based on the premise that it was the only way she'd believe they were under threat from an army of the dead...despite the fact that she has a zombie as a bodyguard 24/7??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Why did Lyanna name him Aegon (Targaryen)? There are a million of them, and Rhaegar actually had another son by that name with Elia Martell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Why did Lyanna name him Aegon (Targaryen)? There are a million of them, and Rhaegar actually had another son by that name with Elia Martell. She definitely said "Aegon?" At first, I thought she said "Edard Targaryan." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 (edited) Not in terms of the war, but for Jaime's character arc, it's a doozy. If he's headed for Winterfell, he get's to deal with Bran, who would know how he fell now. Or Dany, who's father he stabbed. Basically he went from the first episode being a serious villain to possibly doing something heroic in the final season. He's going to sacrifice his life to save the cause somehow. Good point and be could of sacrificed his own life to save the cause by slitting Cersei's throat last night. Edited August 28, 2017 by Doc Brown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 She definitely said "Aegon?" At first, I thought she said "Edard Targaryan." I thought she said Daegon. I went back and watched with captions on. It's definitely Aegon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 She definitely said "Aegon?" At first, I thought she said "Edard Targaryan." It was Aegon. It's a popular Targaryen name as Aegon the conqueror built the iron throne after conquering Westeros. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 (edited) It was Aegon. It's a popular Targaryen name as Aegon the conqueror built the iron throne after conquering Westeros. Yeah, just read that Raeghar named two sons Aegon, in order to ensure that the prophecy was fulfilled. Edited August 28, 2017 by LeGOATski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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