DOJ Appoints Robert Mueller as Special Counsel - Jerome Corsi Rejects Plea Deal

[bilzfancy]

1 minute ago, Tiberius said:

So Trump campaign was trying really hard to get the emails. Classy 

If you don't think Hillary or Obama wouldn't have done the same, you are truly dumber then I give you credit for

[Tiberius]

Just now, Deranged Rhino said:

Emails which were public record and already published by WikiLeaks... but details  

It was before that and they raised some big time money to try and find them. And Trump knew they were going to be released in advance, which is a surprise to no one 

1 minute ago, bilzfancy said:

If you don't think Hillary or Obama wouldn't have done the same, you are truly dumber then I give you credit for

That's another ridiculous argument. I suspect they would have called the FBI if contacted by the Russians though

[Deranged Rhino]

3 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

It was before that and they raised some big time money to try and find them. And Trump knew they were going to be released in advance, which is a surprise to no one 

 

Mueller's investigation says that's not true. 

[Tiberius]

 

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“Substantial evidence” corroborates former FBI director James Comey’s recollection that Trump shooed others out of the room in February 2017 before pressuring Comey to let former national security adviser Michael Flynn off easy, according to the Mueller report. “I hope you can let this go,” Trump allegedly told Comey.

Trump denied large parts of the meeting, saying he did not shoo others out of the room and that he did not remember having a one-on-one conversation with Comey.

“While the president has publicly denied these details, other Administration officials who were present have confirmed Comey’s account of how he ended up in a one-on-one meeting with the president,” the report says. “And the president acknowledged to Priebus and McGahn that he in fact spoke to Comey about Flynn in their one-on-one meeting.”

Mueller’s investigators said that Trump’s decision to clear the room also “signals that the President wanted to be alone with Comey, which is consistent with the delivery of a message of the type that Comey recalls.”

 

 

[DC Tom]

15 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

So... walk that logic out. The same special counsel who found the Page information contained in the dossier was false, the pee tape was false, the cohen in prague story was false, the Trump/Cohen coordinated the hacking of the DNC was false... that same special counsel who found all those things that prove the dossier to be bunk ALSO said Trump pointing that out was obstruction. 

 

More than that...proclaiming innocence is obstruction of justice now?

 

We've moved to a place where presumption of guilt is so strong that protests of innocence are themselves criminal?

[keepthefaith]

2 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

And the left has turned on RR  

 

Jesus, they can't keep their narrative straight.

 

That's how they keep their narrative straight.  Otherwise it dead ends at a concrete barrier. 

 

 

[DC Tom]

2 minutes ago, keepthefaith said:

 

That's how they keep their narrative straight.  Otherwise it dead ends at a concrete barrier. 

 

 

 

At some point, you'd think they'd exercise some restraint and introspection, and realize "My God, we're starting to sound like Birthers and Truthers."

[Buffalo_Gal]

You'd think they'd have had a better plan in place than shrieking the same tired lies. It became pretty evident to me a year ago where this was headed, so if I could see it, how did the DNC and MSM (BIRM) not have a better contingency plan for when this all went sideways?  These people are in the know. SMH I am disappointed in them. They should have had a different set of lies all T-ed up and ready to go.  

Edited April 18, 2019 by Buffalo_Gal

[Deranged Rhino]

1 minute ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

You'd think they'd have had a better plan in place then shrieking the same tired lies. It became pretty evident to me a year ago where this was headed, so if I could see it, how did the DNC and MSM (BIRM) not have a better contingency plan for when this all went sideways?  These people are in the know. SMH I am disappointed in them. They should have had a different set of lies all T-ed up and ready to go.  

 

Trump broke them. Their minds, their ability to strategize, and most importantly - cut them off from outside financing/narrative engineers.

[row_33]

13 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Trump broke them. Their minds, their ability to strategize, and most importantly - cut them off from outside financing/narrative engineers.

 

hopefully cut out the White House until 2060

 

 

[Buffalo_Gal]

1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Trump broke them. Their minds, their ability to strategize, and most importantly - cut them off from outside financing/narrative engineers.

I think when the leaks stopped things got tough for the DNC. But even still, the source documents available to "everyone" told the tale. I honestly cannot believe no one had a back-up plan (regardless of how snarky my original thought came out).

[LB3]

Whoa...wait wait wait. Shiit you guys! We need to stop making fun of the libs on this. I think this Jerome Corsi thing could still sink Trump. Let's just see how that plays out.

[DC Tom]

11 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

You'd think they'd have had a better plan in place than shrieking the same tired lies. It became pretty evident to me a year ago where this was headed, so if I could see it, how did the DNC and MSM (BIRM) not have a better contingency plan for when this all went sideways?  These people are in the know. SMH I am disappointed in them. They should have had a different set of lies all T-ed up and ready to go.  

 

Echo chamber.

 

It's not even "lying," per se.  It's operating in an environment and context so insular that independent verification and validation isn't even available.  They end up all being checks on each other, which ends up being not validation but a great big reinforcement loop.  It's basically the same thing that happened with the 2003 Iraq WMD intel and the 2008 financial crisis - insular analysis loops with no external validation.  

Edited April 18, 2019 by DC Tom

[Deranged Rhino]

 

[Tiberius]

 

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The special counsel found evidence of plenty of other crimes and made 14 referrals.

Vol. II, Page D-3: During the course of the investigation, the Office periodically identified evidence of potential criminal activity that was outside the scope of the Special Counsel’s jurisdiction established by the Acting Attorney General. After consultation with the Office of the Deputy Attorney General, the Office referred that evidence to appropriate law enforcement authorities, principally other components of the Department of Justice and the FBI.

Twelve of those referrals remain secret. Two others have been made public, including prosecutions involving Mr. Trump’s former personal lawyer, Michael D. Cohen, and Gregory B. Craig, a White House counsel in the Obama administration.
— Adam Goldman

 

12 outstanding investigations going on! WOW~

[Taro T]

And now Andy Cuomo's brother is saying "the idea nobody did anything wrong or that this was a witch hunt or a hoax is demonstrably false ... hundreds of pages of piece of proof after piece of proof ... that they showed they were open for business for foreign entities in a way they should not have done & they lied about the same ..."  And though it wasn't illegal it was still wrong.

 

He just, literally, went All In holding Queen high w/ no chance for a straight nor a flush.  

 

Apologies, these posts should've probably been in the Media's treatment of Trump thread.

 

Edited April 18, 2019 by Taro T

[Deranged Rhino]

1 minute ago, Tiberius said:

 

12 outstanding investigations going on! WOW~

 

Those aren't what you think they are  

[bdutton]

3 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Those aren't what you think they are  

 

Strock, Comey, Ohr.... etc...

[Doc]

3 hours ago, Tiberius said:

That's just Trump spin. If our election is under attack the FBI has a duty to protect us. You obviously don't think so. 

 

 

I'm going to go get a cheeseburger, anyone want something? Coffee? Fries, anything? 

 

Can you get me a nothingburger with cheese?  Oh wait, already got one.  With w(h)ine no less.

[Deranged Rhino]

 

[GG]

Just now, Deranged Rhino said:

 

 

The least surprising revelation

[Deranged Rhino]

@plenzmd1

More for you to consider re Trump Tower

 

 

it was a set up - for optics and the press to run with. 

[row_33]

18 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

 

leadership

 

[Buffalo_Gal]

1 minute ago, row_33 said:

 

leadership

 

"Foiled" was the word I saw used (in print). SMH

[row_33]

16 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

"Foiled" was the word I saw used (in print). SMH

 

i have nobody to protect myself from myself currently....

 

 

missing out on the sanctifying effects of a good marriage

[LB3]

1 hour ago, Tiberius said:

 

12 outstanding investigations going on! WOW~

[Deranged Rhino]

 

Another narrative bites the dust. (though, it was dead before... )

[Deranged Rhino]

[LSHMEAB]

5 hours ago, DC Tom said:

 

At some point, you'd think they'd exercise some restraint and introspection, and realize "My God, we're starting to sound like Birthers and Truthers."

Starting to? It's infuriating from a left leaning purview. I was watching a Nixon Doc and one line really stood out. An adviser was informing Nixon of the escalating protests. His resonse; "Good. Every obscenity is worth 1,000 votes." Politically speaking, outrage has one beneficiary and it ain't the outraged. I must add that the birther stuff clearly HELPED Obama politically. (I understand he's not popular around here.)

 

If you're on the right and tepid about Trump, you're far more likely to show up in 2020 based on these shenanigans. By the same token, tepid Dems were likely motivated to actually vote based on some of the more far fetched attacks.

 

I think collusion truthers(and yes birthers) are a lost cause. There's really no helping them.

 

Trump Deranged Dems may as well just run around literally shooting themselves in the foot at this point. And they're STILL stuck on obstruction. Considering this has become a political/non legal battle, who in God's name is going to attack someone for "obstructing" an investigation into a crime that didn't occur? It's just not logical. Alan Dershowitz has been a bastion of hope for the left throughout this entire ordeal.

Edited April 18, 2019 by LSHMEAB

[3rdnlng]

17 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:

Starting to? It's infuriating from a left leaning purview. I was watching a Nixon Doc and one line really stood out. An adviser was informing Nixon of the escalating protests. His resonse; "Good. Every obscenity is worth 1,000 votes." Politically speaking, outrage has one beneficiary and it ain't the outraged. I must add that the birther stuff clearly HELPED Obama politically. (I understand he's not popular around here.)

 

If you're on the right and tepid about Trump, you're far more likely to show up in 2020 based on these shenanigans. By the same token, tepid Dems were likely motivated to actually vote based on some of the more far fetched attacks.

 

I think collusion truthers(and yes birthers) are a lost cause. There's really no helping them.

 

Trump Deranged Dems may as well just run around literally shooting themselves in the foot at this point. And they're STILL stuck on obstruction. Considering this has become a political/non legal battle, who in God's name is going to attack someone for "obstructing" an investigation into a crime that didn't occur? It's just not logical. Alan Dershowitz has been a bastion of hope for the left throughout this entire ordeal.

He's been a stalwart for the Constitution like he has been his whole career. I may not agree with him on policy but that is nothing when compared to his stand on constitutional standards.

[LSHMEAB]

3 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

He's been a stalwart for the Constitution like he has been his whole career. I may not agree with him on policy but that is nothing when compared to his stand on constitutional standards.

And of course CNN stopped bringing him on as a guest when he continued to own every debate.

 

"What happened to Alan Dershowitz?" they'd ask. Nothing. He's consistent. What happened to YOU?

[DC Tom]

36 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:

 

If you're on the right and tepid about Trump, you're far more likely to show up in 2020 based on these shenanigans. By the same token, tepid Dems were likely motivated to actually vote based on some of the more far fetched attacks.

 

 

Hell, there's some tepid Democrats who'd rather vote for Trump than the current Democratic leadership.  

 

My typical pattern has been to vote Democrat for legislative positions and Republican for executive (the simplest explanation being: I want change to come from the legislative process, not executive fiat - yes, I hated Obama's presidency, largely for that.)  But after the travesty of the Kavanaugh hearings, I categorically refuse to ever vote Democrat again.  In 2018, if there wasn't a Republican or independent for the position, I wrote myself in or didn't vote for that race.  I categorically will not support the Democrats' bull#### any longer.

[Nanker]

1 hour ago, DC Tom said:

 

Hell, there's some tepid Democrats who'd rather vote for Trump than the current Democratic leadership.  

 

My typical pattern has been to vote Democrat for legislative positions and Republican for executive (the simplest explanation being: I want change to come from the legislative process, not executive fiat - yes, I hated Obama's presidency, largely for that.)  But after the travesty of the Kavanaugh hearings, I categorically refuse to ever vote Democrat again.  In 2018, if there wasn't a Republican or independent for the position, I wrote myself in or didn't vote for that race.  I categorically will not support the Democrats' bull#### any longer.

That’s been my stance since Frank Lautenberg was allowed in to the NJ Senate race. I vowed to NEVER vote for another Dem. EVER.  

[SoCal Deek]

DC

I hate break it to you. The Democratic Party you’ve voted for in the past is gone. Completely unrecognizable. Hijacked by a bunch of power hungry, big government, socialist, climate change zealots. 

 

[Nanker]

[DC Tom]

1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said:

DC

I hate break it to you. The Democratic Party you’ve voted for in the past is gone. Completely unrecognizable. Hijacked by a bunch of power hungry, big government, socialist, climate change zealots. 

 

 

The thing is, I never voted party.  I voted for the person who's attitudes best fit what I believed was appropriate for the office for which they were running - even if I disagreed with them on policy.

 

Chris van Hollen was a good example - I disagreed with him on many positions, but he consistently articulated his position in a way that was rational and invited discussion.  Until the 2008 election, when he fell back on the ignorant and vapid "Main Street not Wall Street" sloganeering.  I won't bother voting for someone who won't even discuss issues, but just throws bumper stickers at me.  

 

That's why 2016 was so nauseous (and has continued to be).  Good luck finding anyone willing to discuss an issue.  All bumper stickers. 

[row_33]

5 hours ago, DC Tom said:

 

The thing is, I never voted party.  I voted for the person who's attitudes best fit what I believed was appropriate for the office for which they were running - even if I disagreed with them on policy.

 

Chris van Hollen was a good example - I disagreed with him on many positions, but he consistently articulated his position in a way that was rational and invited discussion.  Until the 2008 election, when he fell back on the ignorant and vapid "Main Street not Wall Street" sloganeering.  I won't bother voting for someone who won't even discuss issues, but just throws bumper stickers at me.  

 

That's why 2016 was so nauseous (and has continued to be).  Good luck finding anyone willing to discuss an issue.  All bumper stickers. 

 

All you need is one person in your real life to talk to about it, lunch every three or so months 

[Tiberius]

George Conway calling for impeachment 

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/george-conway-trump-is-a-cancer-on-the-presidency-congress-should-remove-him/2019/04/18/e75a13d8-6220-11e9-bfad-36a7eb36cb60_story.html?utm_term=.141f56b3bcec

The Constitution commands the president to “take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed.” It requires him to affirm that he will “faithfully execute the Office of President” and to promise to “preserve, protect and defend the Constitution.” And as a result, by taking the presidential oath of office, a president assumes the duty not simply to obey the laws, civil and criminal, that all citizens must obey, but also to be subjected to higher duties — what some excellent recent legal scholarship has termed the “fiduciary obligations of the president.”

Fiduciaries are people who hold legal obligations of trust, like a trustee of a trust. A trustee must act in the beneficiary’s best interests and not his own. If the trustee fails to do that, the trustee can be removed, even if what the trustee has done is not a crime....

 

By these standards, the facts in Mueller’s report condemn Trump even more than the report’s refusal to clear him of a crime. Charged with faithfully executing the laws, the president is, in effect, the nation’s highest law enforcement officer. Yet Mueller’s investigation “found multiple acts by the President that were capable of executing undue influence over law enforcement investigations.”

Trump tried to “limit the scope of the investigation.” He tried to discourage witnesses from cooperating with the government through “suggestions of possible future pardons.” He engaged in “direct and indirect contacts with witnesses with the potential to influence their testimony.” A fair reading of the special counsel’s narrative is that “the likely effect” of these acts was “to intimidate witnesses or to alter their testimony,” with the result that “the justice system’s integrity [was] threatened.” Page after page, act after act, Mueller’s report describes a relentless torrent of such obstructive activity by Trump.

The investigation that Trump tried to interfere with here, to protect his own personal interests, was in significant part an investigation of how a hostile foreign power interfered with our democracy. If that’s not putting personal interests above a presidential duty to the nation, nothing is.

White House counsel John Dean famously told Nixon that there was a cancer within the presidency and that it was growing. What the Mueller report disturbingly shows, with crystal clarity, is that today there is a cancer in the presidency: President Donald J. Trump.

Congress now bears the solemn constitutional duty to excise that cancer without delay.

[3rdnlng]

I know the old adage about "a woman scorned" but George Conway certainly is taking on the persona of an attorney scorned. His jealousy of Trump is a sad head shaker.

[Buffalo_Gal]

49 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

I know the old adage about "a woman scorned" but George Conway certainly is taking on the persona of an attorney scorned. His jealousy of Trump is a sad head shaker.

It is bizarre, to say the least.