Tiberius Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 3 hours ago, keepthefaith said: That's a lousy effort by the writer to conflate Trump to crimes Manafort may have committed years before Manafort worked for Trump. You mean the guy that put his very name on Trump University shouldn't be connected to another con man? Ya, ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 You're bad at this. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 6 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: You're bad at this. We know. Stop posting that like it's a new discovery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 You two are sad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: You're bad at this. What ?......it's simple Gator logic You see A = B C = D So A = X So............All con men are responsible for each other................. Wait.............................................he IS bad at this Edited July 31, 2018 by B-Man 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 3 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said: Listen carefully: I want to see the documentation of that investigation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 https://mobile.twitter.com/eorden/status/1024421580657643522 42 minutes ago, DC Tom said: I want to see the documentation of that investigation. Me too. Digging for docs as we speak. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 4 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said: Look at it this way... And I'm not saying I know the answer here, I'm merely running through possibilities. In 2010 RR exonerates Manafort for these charges (money laundering). In 2018, without getting new evidence (according to the filings to date), RR is now going after the same guy he cleared previously. Issues of Double Jeopardy aside (koko might be able to add insight there), what's changed between 2010 and 2018? ... Perhaps the resident of the Oval Office? Perhaps RR wasn't "free" to indict Manafort in 2010, but now he is. This whole mess is a circus with Rosenstein as a ringmaster in a clown suit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said: Look at it this way... And I'm not saying I know the answer here, I'm merely running through possibilities. In 2010 RR exonerates Manafort for these charges (money laundering). In 2018, without getting new evidence (according to the filings to date), RR is now going after the same guy he cleared previously. Issues of Double Jeopardy aside (koko might be able to add insight there), what's changed between 2010 and 2018? ... Perhaps the resident of the Oval Office? Perhaps RR wasn't "free" to indict Manafort in 2010, but now he is. It's probably not double jeopardy. That doesn't attach unless there was a prior prosecution that was either dismissed on its merits (or lack thereof), or if a trial had commenced and the defendant was acquitted (or there was no finding of guilt for various technical reasons). Throwing around the term 'exonerated' here may be a bit strong. If Rosenstein declined prosecution back in the day for whatever reason (including lack of evidence), that's not the same thing as being acquitted; it's not double jeopardy. However, more information on what actually happened is needed. Where it might become interesting is if Rosenstein declined to prosecute based on some deal that was made, which is somewhat common. I don't really do federal practice, but there are times you can get a so-called "no-pros" (not going to prosecute) letter from the US Attorney's office in conjunction with a plea deal somewhere else, or for providing very useful information on a bigger crime committed by someone else. For example, Joe Methhead gets caught transporting a kilo of meth across state lines. The US Attorney may not give a crap about prosecuting Joe, if he can give up good, solid, credible information (and testimony) on a meth superlab, and the people running it. Doesn't mean Joe was "exonerated", it just means they're not going to prosecute him for it. Edited August 1, 2018 by Koko78 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 23 minutes ago, Koko78 said: It's probably not double jeopardy. That doesn't attach unless there was a prior prosecution that was either dismissed on its merits (or lack thereof), or if a trial had commenced and the defendant was acquitted (or there was no finding of guilt for various technical reasons). Throwing around the term 'exonerated' here may be a bit strong. If Rosenstein declined prosecution back in the day for whatever reason (including lack of evidence), that's not the same thing as being acquitted; it's not double jeopardy. However, more information on what actually happened is needed. Where it might become interesting is if Rosenstein declined to prosecute based on some deal that was made, which is somewhat common. I don't really do federal practice, but there are times you can get a so-called "no-pros" (not going to prosecute) letter from the US Attorney's office in conjunction with a plea deal somewhere else, or for providing very useful information on a bigger crime committed by someone else. For example, Joe Methhead gets caught transporting a kilo of meth across state lines. The US Attorney may not give a crap about prosecuting Joe, if he can give up good, solid, credible information (and testimony) on a meth superlab, and the people running it. Doesn't mean Joe was "exonerated", it just means they're not going to prosecute him for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 Can’t Trump just pardon Manafort? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 32 minutes ago, Koko78 said: It's probably not double jeopardy. That doesn't attach unless there was a prior prosecution that was either dismissed on its merits (or lack thereof), or if a trial had commenced and the defendant was acquitted (or there was no finding of guilt for various technical reasons). Throwing around the term 'exonerated' here may be a bit strong. If Rosenstein declined prosecution back in the day for whatever reason (including lack of evidence), that's not the same thing as being acquitted; it's not double jeopardy. However, more information on what actually happened is needed. Where it might become interesting is if Rosenstein declined to prosecute based on some deal that was made, which is somewhat common. I don't really do federal practice, but there are times you can get a so-called "no-pros" (not going to prosecute) letter from the US Attorney's office in conjunction with a plea deal somewhere else, or for providing very useful information on a bigger crime committed by someone else. For example, Joe Methhead gets caught transporting a kilo of meth across state lines. The US Attorney may not give a crap about prosecuting Joe, if he can give up good, solid, credible information (and testimony) on a meth superlab, and the people running it. Doesn't mean Joe was "exonerated", it just means they're not going to prosecute him for it. Similar to how they declined to prosecute Hillary, which leaves here open to future prosecution on the same activities. But you bet your ass that the Democrats would be screaming "But double jeopardy!!!" in that case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinga Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 19 minutes ago, njbuff said: Can’t Trump just pardon Manafort? Yes, but that would ruin the show! Look, this whole trial is a charade so Manafort told Trump to kick back, get his popcorn ready, AND hold my beer... Mueller's problem here is not just his boss RR, it's the fact Manafort has the money to defend himself unlike Flynn, Gates, and Popsicle... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 This got missed earlier. So much for immunity. https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/07/31/politics/mueller-investigation-foreign-agent-referrals-new-york/index.html bye, bye Tony. Interesting that they waited until the AG was gone to unseal this. And not just Tony. Obama's WH counsel: https://mobile.twitter.com/seanmdav/status/1024425902984359937 https://mobile.twitter.com/Tom_Winter/status/1024431366677643264 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 10 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: This got missed earlier. So much for immunity. https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/07/31/politics/mueller-investigation-foreign-agent-referrals-new-york/index.html bye, bye Tony. Interesting that they waited until the AG was gone to unseal this. And not just Tony. Obama's WH counsel: https://mobile.twitter.com/seanmdav/status/1024425902984359937 And working across both sides of the aisle as Vin Weber was referred as well. One more of your earlier observations/predictions coming to fruition. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 40 minutes ago, Cinga said: Mueller's problem here is not just his boss RR, it's the fact Manafort has the money to defend himself Yes, tax free money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 This is my favorite tweet in that thread: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 I have a pretty good idea what they're hiding... https://www.wsj.com/articles/what-are-the-fbi-and-cia-hiding-1533078662 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 1 hour ago, Deranged Rhino said: This got missed earlier. So much for immunity. https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/07/31/politics/mueller-investigation-foreign-agent-referrals-new-york/index.html bye, bye Tony. Interesting that they waited until the AG was gone to unseal this. And not just Tony. Obama's WH counsel: https://mobile.twitter.com/seanmdav/status/1024425902984359937 https://mobile.twitter.com/Tom_Winter/status/1024431366677643264 And not just Obama's White House Counsel. He was part of Bill's defense team during the impeachment hearings. And was part of John Kerry's campaign. And Obama's "informal foreign policy adviser" during his first campaign. And in private practice, he advised...wait for it...Viktor Yanukovich. Funny how all these connections keep popping up over and over. If I were a gatorman, I'd be screaming "Collusion!" 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 1 minute ago, DC Tom said: And not just Obama's White House Counsel. He was part of Bill's defense team during the impeachment hearings. And was part of John Kerry's campaign. And Obama's "informal foreign policy adviser" during his first campaign. And in private practice, he advised...wait for it...Viktor Yanukovich. Funny how all these connections keep popping up over and over. If I were a gatorman, I'd be screaming "Collusion!" Speaking of Kerry, what are the odds they have a FISA on him? Remember those picture of him meeting the Iranians in Paris? Is 'ol Johnny under more surveillance than he realizes? Maybe Mr Brennan is too. Late night thoughts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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