Mr. WEO Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 Everyone pile on Mario because Rex was a complete disaster of a coach this year. Since when do Defensive ends win Superbowls? This is such a joke but I understand it, somebody needs to take the fall for the lousy defense, let's blame the former all pro just a year ago and not the moron of a head coach we just gave a 5 year contract too. They have no other choice but to blame the underperforming player(thanks to Rex) with a huge cap number. All of a sudden Marios a cancer. Man Russ has the easiest job in the world. Bills fans are so easily persuaded it's pathetic. The fans aren't cutting Mario....Russ et al, are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 When have they done this? One would think that a Pats* fan would remember the Adalius Thomas episode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 Prepare to be pissed. Don't worry though, we'll replace him with 2 years of ineptitude. What's Chris Kelsay doing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 Well that would be pretty amazing since he's never done that before on two teams. hgh baby! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 Mario was motivated to play for the last several years. If it is so much in his nature to "quit" why didn't he do it last year or right after he cashed his signing bonus? New coach, new system, no ability to communicate that system.....Mario pouts which is on him.....Rex does nothing to fix the issue and the tire fire continues. Rex is a better speaker than Mario so he gradually goes from smelling like a tire fire to smelling like a rose.....but he is still a tire fire. I have no way of knowing what goes on in the locker room so there is no way to assess the root causes of Mario's attitude this year. I am smart enough to see that Rex had the ingredients for a top 5 defense and turned it into something that looked like the Frankfurt Galaxy. I just want to see the Bills win. It isn't about Mario or Rex really. When I see 2016 through the lens of having a coach that can't get production from one of the top players in the NFL, it is frustrating. We'll get some scrub with a high motor in there and we'll all be impressed with Rex? No thanks. Let's get some wins. It doesn't matter why Mario decided to quit, only that he did. Even if I am 100% sure that the root of it is lies in his questioning of Rex Ryan's coaching acumen. Mario doesn't seem to understand that quitting is more about the impact it has on his teammates, coaches, and fans than it is about protesting Ryan's use of him. There were plays to be made and Mario deliberately chose not to make them. Before games were lost, before the postseason was an impossibility. That is not saying Mario is the reason we lost. That is simply saying he stopped caring one way or the other when his play could have made some measure of difference in a play, series, or game. Rex may be an imbecile, but he never quit on his players, coaches, and fans. Mario is one of the best players in the game, and he did. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 After 2017 what are the odds of the fans saying "I wish we had kept Mario for the last 2 years" vs. "I'm glad we had Rex for these last 2 years"? I can buy the notion that both should be gone if that is what some are selling. I can even buy the theory that it is simply a salary cap thing. I can't agree that he is the cause for this and that Rex is poised to take this defense to the next level. That is simply crazy. I keep reading that Rex ruined an all star defense. How exactly did he do that, and what should be have done differently? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 One would think that a Pats* fan would remember the Adalius Thomas episode. They leaked that they were letting him go a week before they let him go? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 (edited) Everyone pile on Mario because Rex was a complete disaster of a coach this year. Since when do Defensive ends win Superbowls? This is such a joke but I understand it, somebody needs to take the fall for the lousy defense, let's blame the former all pro just a year ago and not the moron of a head coach we just gave a 5 year contract too. They have no other choice but to blame the underperforming player(thanks to Rex) with a huge cap number. All of a sudden Marios a cancer. Man Russ has the easiest job in the world. Bills fans are so easily persuaded it's pathetic. So again, why can't it be both? This doesn't have to be a Rex vs. Mario situation. Both these statements can be true: Rex's defense underperformed. Check. Mario Williams mailed it in. Check. In any case, unless Mario had a phenomenal season he was going to be a salary causality with the younger players who need to be resigned. A team can only spend so much in the DL for so long. Why is it that Hughes was able to keep giving a ton of effort and make tackles down field even though he was asked to do things like drop into coverage? Why didn't Hughes hold a "press conference" at his locker and complain? EDIT: this same thing happened in Houston when Wade Phillips was DC and Mario was moved to OLB and was asked to rush from the right side. He complained and moaned. Edited December 31, 2015 by Wayne Cubed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 One would think that a Pats* fan would remember the Adalius Thomas episode. I know a lot of Pats* fans are Irish Catholic but that does not mean they are learned in natural theology, metaphysics and political theory. I did see one wearing a #1225 jersey with the name Doctor Angelicus on the back of it once though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 The fans aren't cutting Mario....Russ et al, are. Wrong. Nobody is cutting Mario Williams except for Mario Williams. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 They leaked that they were letting him go a week before they let him go? Again you're assuming that the leak came from the Bills and not from Marios side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 Rex may be an imbecile, but he never quit on his players, coaches, and fans. Doing something one way, watching it fail and not adjusting is a different way of quitting, isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 Again you're assuming that the leak came from the Bills and not from Marios side. Why would Mario tell the world he is being cut? And what does this particular story have to do with Thomas's departure in NE? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gray Beard Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 Doing something one way, watching it fail and not adjusting is a different way of quitting, isn't it? I don't think that was Rex quitting. I think that was Rex having a master plan. His way or the highway. All with a smile on his face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filthymcnasty08 Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 Everyone pile on Mario because Rex was a complete disaster of a coach this year. Since when do Defensive ends win Superbowls? This is such a joke but I understand it, somebody needs to take the fall for the lousy defense, let's blame the former all pro just a year ago and not the moron of a head coach we just gave a 5 year contract too. They have no other choice but to blame the underperforming player(thanks to Rex) with a huge cap number. All of a sudden Marios a cancer. Man Russ has the easiest job in the world. Bills fans are so easily persuaded it's pathetic. And Thurman's job is probably intact. Guy kept his mouth shut and had 4 different DC's in 4 years. Was put in a ludicrous position (considering his strengths and track record). He tried to speak up early on and, unlike our stud WR, was ignored. He had a losing strategy forced on him because REX KNOWS D. Cover that flat Mario…leave the QB alone. Stubborn ego of a bottom-third windbag of a coach that did nothing close to building a scheme around his players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 31, 2015 Author Share Posted December 31, 2015 And Thurman's job is probably intact. Guy kept his mouth shut and had 4 different DC's in 4 years. Was put in a ludicrous position (considering his strengths and track record). He tried to speak up early on and, unlike our stud WR, was ignored. He had a losing strategy forced on him because REX KNOWS D. Cover that flat Mario…leave the QB alone. Stubborn ego of a bottom-third windbag of a coach that did nothing close to building a scheme around his players. Exactly how many times do you think Mario was asked to drop into coverage? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filthymcnasty08 Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 Exactly how many times do you think Mario was asked to drop into coverage? Enough to make it an issue that had never even been close to coming up before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 31, 2015 Author Share Posted December 31, 2015 Enough to make it an issue that had never even been close to coming up before. It wasn't that many....Do your job as a professional and a well compensated one at that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 We can designate him a June 1st cut at any time; every team gets 2 to use before June 1st, but his cap hit remains on the books until June 1st. It would not help us in FA or in re-signing Glenn or Richie. It would spread the dead money over the 2016 and 2017 season. Cutting him outright means we take the full hit just in 2016. We are not such a dire cap space situation that we will need the added savings next year. But we do need space in 2017 to re-sign Gilmore and possibly Taylor. Contrary to common belief, Gilmore is signed next season at a 1 yr/$11 mil cap number. They do need to give him a new contract before next season but he currently counts 11 million against the 2016 salary cap So the big re-signings for 2016 are: Glenn(~8-9 million) Richie(~4-5 million) Cutting Mario without the June 1st designation saves us 12.9 million on the 2016 salary cap with zero dead money in 2017(edit). And that money can be used right away. we are $5mm over the cap right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 I keep reading that Rex ruined an all star defense. How exactly did he do that, and what should be have done differently? He should have taken the advice Mater got when he thought about fixing what ain't broke: "To not to" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 Doing something one way, watching it fail and not adjusting is a different way of quitting, isn't it? I disagree Ryan did it one way all year. Post bye-week, Dareus played more 3 technique, for instance. Pretty sure he kept Mario at free safety, though. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-No Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 Do the Bills tell Mario's agent they may search for a trade partner? And then wait to see if that happens before just releasing him? Or is his price tag too high? Is it better cap wise if he's traded or is it the same? Just curious... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 31, 2015 Author Share Posted December 31, 2015 Do the Bills tell Mario's agent they may search for a trade partner? And then wait to see if that happens before just releasing him? Or is his price tag too high? Is it better cap wise if he's traded or is it the same? Just curious... You really think there's a market for Mario under his current contract? No way man! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filthymcnasty08 Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 It wasn't that many....Do your job as a professional and a well compensated one at that! For sure…but wouldn't you say that opposing QB's had an inordinate amount of time to go through their progressions this season vs. last 2? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 Mario was one of the few high-priced free agent signings that has worked out for an NFL team. He was great for us before Rec and a great member of the community. The way this has all unraveled is a huge disappointment, but my disappointment lies with Mario. Rex's DL in New York played well in his scheme and are still playing well out of it. The mini-fridge incident seems to have been a microcosm of the Real locker room Mario after all, haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 @JeffRussoWKBW Associated Press via .@john_wawrow reporting #Bills plan to cut DE Mario Williams this off-season #Buffalo At his price, Mario should have been willing to do whatever the Bills asked of him. His attitude all season long has been bush league. Can he play safety? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yungmack Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 Just a !@#$ing joke. The fact that Rex couldn't figure out how to utilize someone like Mario Williams and we are now getting rid of him..... We are all in on Rex I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 Can he play safety? Rex tried that already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yungmack Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 You have to agree with that No I don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMan Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 Have you watched him play the last few games. ? Regrettable but best move for everybody. Mario to the Browns ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 I keep reading that Rex ruined an all star defense. How exactly did he do that, and what should be have done differently? Having to run his defense ruined one of the best pass rushes D-lines in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What a Tuel Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 (edited) Mario's stat line post bye week: 4 tackles 1 assist 1 sack 7 games. Edit: Just to compare: Dareus stat line post bye week: 26 tackles 8 assists 0 sacks 8 games Hughes 28 tackles 7 assists 4 sacks 8 games Bryant 21 tackles 9 assists 0 sacks 7 games (estimated) Edited December 31, 2015 by What a Tuel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 Having to run his defense ruined one of the best pass rushes D-lines in the league. Again, why was the pass rush effective last year and what changed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 Have you watched him play the last few games. ? Regrettable but best move for everybody. Mario to the Browns ? No, he doesn't fit their system either. Bruce Irvin is going to be leaving Seattle after this season. Don't be surprised if Mario ends up there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 (edited) $10 says this happens again by the end of next year with another player being disappointed with how poorly rex runs his defense. he's a manipulative drama queen who needs to suck feet. But isn't it on the coaching staff to put him in a position to play up to his abilities? What if he'sbeing asked to cover TEs out of the backfield, or to set the edge and not rush the passer? Is that what he's best at?So, sure, people say he should be getting constant pressure on the snaps he's asked to rush the passer? But that's putting your players in a position to fail. No one gets pressure on every single snap. Especially, when he's gassed because of the lack of substitutions and the fact that he's running around covering backs part of the time.The problem is the same problem we've seen for over a decade. Run good players out of town because crappy coaches can't figure out how to use them. A year ago, we had one of the best pass rushing defenses in the league. Now we have to retool the defense with new players, because the old players suddenly got bad. It's the very definition of treading water. We've all seen it many times over, and it's happening again.Personally, I'm not saying Mario is indispensable. Cut him, keep him. I honestly don't think it matters. As long as we just continue to rearrange the deck chairs, the real problems are being ignored. I am trying to think of and will likely edit this as it happens... but players ran out of town who have shown talent. CJ Spiller is first on the list and I must say that while he has not been as productive since his one big year, especially this year, he has talent and we ran him out of town. Lynch is a similar story but needed to go and it was for his benefit. Posuzlny, he has been solid and a consistent starter. fitzpatrick has been as good as anything we've had since. ...and i do say that including tyrod. tyrod is better right now but fitz has shown more consistency and lasted longer. Incognito the first time. Jason Peters Fred Jackson DaNorris Searcy Bruce Smith Thurman Thomas Andre Reed Takeo Spikes Winfield London Fletcher Nate Clements Who the hell can answer that question that this point? The "leak" here is really interesting and makes sense. The only way to motivate Mario for this one game is the leak. He needs to play well since he's being showcased. If he plays incredible - 3 sacks or something - we might even get a trade offer. 11M is a good price for a top 5 pass rusher which is what he was. If we could simply tell him find a trade partner workout a contract with them and we workout the difference or something maybe... Too much bad tape out there with him loafing this season. Film don't lie! what about hughes loafing? dude barely has the 5 sacks he currently has. or dareus, his stats are awful. kyle williams in his few games was horrible. Rex may be an imbecile, but he never quit on his players, coaches, and fans.GO BILLS!!! no, he did not quit. he just got in over his head in a game that has passed him by, and worse yet... HE LIED! he said he was not going to mess with a unit that was already great. he lied, he failed, he needs gone, too. Edited December 31, 2015 by Boyst62 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphean Bills Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 This was the criticism of a defense that is based on playing a slow tempo offense, which is less and less today's game. Go back and read the transcript of the Bills press conference announcing Rex's hire--read only his comments and the word "genius" will never enter your thoughts. I agree. RR does not come off as a genius. But he has apparently designed a defense that is so complicated that only the brightest minds in physics can begin to grasp its subtle nuances. Heck, it must be crafted in 10-dimensional space-time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 No, he doesn't fit their system either. Bruce Irvin is going to be leaving Seattle after this season. Don't be surprised if Mario ends up there. Interesting. Carroll employs a 43 but uses 34 personnel types to run it. If Mario still has the explosive athleticism he had previously, he might be a fit there even if he is not the ususual type Carroll prefers. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 Again, why was the pass rush effective last year and what changed? Ummm...different defensive systems? for $1000 Alex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 Again, why was the pass rush effective last year and what changed? Cuz. Rex. Sux. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heitz Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 Again you're assuming that the leak came from the Bills and not from Marios side. I only read page 1, but was going to say the same thing - maybe Mopey Mario leaked this? Loved the guy when he came here, but not a big fan of his attitude this year... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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